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Global Warming, Does It Exist?

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by Anonymous

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by natranna04/08/11

you need to inform yourself better.

I agree with you we all need to inform ourselves, including yourself. Throughout your essay you kept using the term global warming. The correct term used now, which was coined by scientists not politicians, is global climate change. As a scientist I can tell you it is very real. Global climate patterns are changing at an unprecedented rate, based on geological evidence. It is a natural process that has been accelerated by our overconsumption and exploitation of the world's natural resources. If you want more information I suggest the IPCC (intergovernmental panel on climate change). They have complete information supported by scientific evidence. Once you do I suggest you revise your esssay. Kudos on writing about such an important topic but be careful, inform yourself better next time.
Happy Earth Day Everyday!

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by rareisme04/08/11

Yes and no.

Of course global warming exists, or we'd be sitting on an ice ball. As far as temperatures getting warmer, a certain amount is natural, but do we really know what man's contribution is?

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by kiwiplum04/08/11

small matter but..

I disagree that there are just as many people don't believe in climate change/global warming as those who do. Maybe that's more the case in the US where Fox news rules, but in the rest of the world the majorityof the public and all but a very few of scientists understand the truth of the case. Time our governments all got behind the problem with action!

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by coupleuk194904/08/11

If you believe this....

For those of you that agree with this I have a great deal.

I'm selling a large steel tower in Paris, you can see it from also anywhere on the skyline. I'll only take cash in small denominations, interested?


By the way, they've taken "gullible" out of the dictionary

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by zed004/08/11

No wimps here!

No happy ending either! I do believe that "Dubai" and his cronies should be tried for treason. Why is it that Texas always produces the worst presidents? First LBJ - then not one, but TWO Bushmasters!!! (Always remember; "A bushmaster is a snake in the grass").
Getting a "knob job" from a sweet young thing is no where near as vile or treasonous as invading the WRONG fucking country, so that Daddy & Baby Bush (and their Saudi Masters) along with the international oil cartels and OPEC can post record profits. Paid for with the blood of American soldiers, the Bush boys and OPEC laughed all the way to the bank, while Cheney, Brown & Root, Halliburton and most of the major oil companies have all moved to Dubai. Everybody bitches about Baby Bush bailing out those wall street crooks and greed mongers, but it was a pact with evil, without the bail outs our economy would have tanked faster, harder, and lower. But Gawd forbid we should try and regulate these ass-holes, that would be bad for free enterprise, (theirs not mine). And was it great the way Big Bush privatized Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac so that Big Government couldnt screw it up? Here at home, the P party tries to blame a bunch of illegals for our sorry economic situation. It wasnt illegal Mexicans that set us back two hundred and eighty billion a year liberating a bunch Iraqi's from a dictator who we all agree was a "very bad man." The illegals actually like America and Americans and to date have planted no roadside bombs. Truth is - Saddam was a former American ally who never lifted a finger (or bombed a trade center) against the United States, as a matter of fact Bin Laden & company didn't like him either, because he dealt as harshly with them as he did with all of his political rivals. He would have been a valuable ally in our up and coming battle with Iran, who really is our enemy, as is Afghanistan and Pakistan. Saddams only real crime was getting between the house of Saud, the house of Bin Laden (second most powerful family in Arabia) and OPEC in a power struggle over oil prices. He wanted to lower them, and cut sugar deals with his allies, of which we were no longer one of. Our choice not his, after all we did run him out of Kuwait at OPEC's request. Recent peaceful and not so peaceful revolutions in the middle east have shown that Saddam wasn't any better or worse than the rest of the ruling despots in the middle east and Africa, he just had more oil, and pissed the wrong people off. So what do these rantings and ramblings have to do with Earth Day? At no time has our esteemed leadership even considered spending that kind of money on an alternative energy source. I ask you; Is it really cheaper to invade another country? Petroleum is so essential to so many products, that it is a (toxic) waste to burn it as fuel. Scientists laud the power of the atom, but all we have been able to do with atomic power in the last 60 years is to heat water with it, and spin a turbine. It's a fucking atomic powered steam engine, who's wastes are so toxic that you can't go near it for a quarter of a million years. If we put the same amount of technology into refining water as we do with oil, we would end up with an odorless, colorless gas called hydrogen, that burns much cleaner than any of the other odorless, colorless petroleum based gasses that we burn daily, but a lot less cleanly. In all fairness some progress has been made. Hydrogen fuel cells have been developed for under a million dollars apiece. Basically they use chemical conversion to create heat, which turns a liquid into a gas, and spins a turbine. Thats right! Its a fucking overpriced hydrogen steam engine! Do you ever get the feeling those R & D folks dont really want us to stop burning oil? Who pays for this research into alternate energy sources, the oil companies? Our government? (Check out how much big oil contributes to campaigns, legislation, and lobbying at all levels). Thats right! Its the same people who are making billions on our oil consumption. And by god you better not let those homosexuals get married as it may cause Gawd to get angry, and She will smite us with floods, famine, nuclear disasters, and Sarah Palin.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

The point of the essay is our government lying to us, again.

Actually, the last three posters missed the point. They more focused on climate change and global warming, when the essay is more about our government lying to us, whatever the issue.

Whether it's a president having sex in the Oval Office, the real reason to go to war, or climate change and global warming, my government feels the need to continue to lie to it's people.

Where's the love? Where's the trust? If I was in a love/sexual relationship with the United States of America, I would have booted them out of my bed a long time ago for lying. I don't trust them.

How dare they? Who do they think we are? Enough is enough. It's about time everyone got mad. Together we are strong, divided we are weak. It's time we all Marched on Washington and put them on their heels and put them in their place.

I'm sick to death of every single thing being a blame and point game and nothing ever gets done. They can't even vote on a budget.

It's time we all got mad. It's time for a change. Stand up and raise your voices. No matter what the issue, pick one. Whether it's lying to us or climate change, it's time we took back control of our government and showed them who's the boss.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

Sorry...

Sorry, when I was writing my comment there were only three comments posted. Instead of reading the last three posters, I should have written the first three posters.

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by YoursSINSerely04/08/11

I think it's great

When a story can strike a nerve with it's readers, your story has spark something inside of them to comment. Nice job!

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by anon60604/08/11

I come here to avoid this sort of thing ... but since you asked ...

Does humanity have an effect on the climate? Yes, locally and temporarily. I have seen some effects as large as the United States, but that's hardly the world. I have seen some effects that will last 100 years, but that's not permanent.

I have read the science and there is no reliable theory on how the climate works. It's just persistent weather patterns driven by geology, hydrology ( ocean physics ), and solar effects.

People do need to take care of their localities, and think about how their decisions will affect the next generation or two, but 'Global Warming' is fear mongering for political advantage. It's a demon formed out of our insecurities considering our ignorance. It's the monster under our bed.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

Thank you for your comment

Thank you for your comment anon606, yet, the bigger issue is our government lying to us.

None of us know what to believe. It's a guessing game. Global warming/climate change is only one issue.

What else don't we know that they should be telling us? Why weren't these people who put us all out of jobs and made us lose our homes not held accountable?

Enough is enough. I'm mad. What about you?

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by theognis04/08/11

Global warming?

Yes, it exists. So does global cooling. Sometimes the planet warms up, and sometimes the planet cools down. The climate always changes. Always has, always will. Man has virtually no control over such matters.

Man didn't create the multiple warm periods before and after the multiple ice ages, or the ice ages, for that matter, and we are having very little effect on average global temperatures now.

Politicians lie. Always have, and always will, unless we start electing angels.

The hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming is nothing more than that. It's pure hypothesis. It's not even a scientific theory, much less a scientific law. It's much ado about nothing, essentially. It's mostly a scam, in my not-so-humble opinion.

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by LoneStarRider04/08/11

Amazing!

Congratulations, you managed to work in all the talking points, into a single diatribe of far-Left drivel. (You even worked in playing the race card, and made it sound as if it belonged in this spewing of tripe.)
As much as I would love to dive in and demonstrate the fallacy in almost every single point, there isn't enough time or space in this venue to do so. So I'll settle for one item.
Global Warming may well exist, as does Global Cooling; it's cyclical. (The winter at Valley Forge during the American Revolution was probably during a time of global cooling.) Scientists across the world are backing away, more and more, from the concept that global warming is man-made. Once the initial grand pronouncements made at the University of East Anglia were proven to be fraudulent, skepticism has grown more and more prevalent (particularly within the scientific community).
Turn off CNN, and start looking around with a smidgen of that questioning you have about who is lying and who just might be telling the truth.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

Oh, gees, George W

Oh, gees, George W Bush is in the house.

Mr. President, I had no idea you read Literotica. What does Laura think about you reading dirty stories, I mean, erotic literature? Do your daughters, Jenna and Barbara know that Daddy is a pervert, I mean, widely read.

Okay, who allowed the Republican in here. Just when I thought Literotica was a safe place, Bush has to show up. Next, Cheney will be here reading my stuff.

"Hey Big Louie, toss this bum outta here. He's over stayed his welcome."

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by Anonymous04/08/11

It's amazing.....

how the majority of Americans, because they so love what their oil addiction provides, strive to cling on to the illusion that man-made CO2 is not a looming global disaster.

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by clinton0904/08/11

Pure Politics

When you analyze a complex event like the debacle of 2008 and make simple conclusions, and very political ones, I have to either grimace or cry. The economic calamity of 2008 was basically sidestepped; it has caused pain, but we avoided the great depression II. Regardless, it was a blend of greedy Wall Street types AND liberals in Congress. Thinking they could force 'economic justice', they said, oh hell, let's just give away homes. They'll get jobs (magically) and start paying the mortgage. Well, it didn't pan out. Debt secured by those mortgages then collapsed. As to global warming itself, we need perspective(time) to judge that. 30 years ago they spoke darkly of the coming Ice Age. Even if it is real, are we to blame? Even then, should we act? Between getting warmer and colder, we are much better off getting a bit warmer.

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by theognis04/08/11

To anonymous:

There is zero evidence, much less proof, that man-made CO2 is a "looming global disaster." Even if CO2 were a problem, which it is not, we contribute such a tiny amount it is laughable to think it will cause some huge problem. Get real.

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by theognis04/08/11

To anonymous:

There is zero evidence, much less proof, that man-made CO2 is a "looming global disaster." Even if CO2 were a problem, which it is not, we contribute such a tiny amount it is laughable to think it will cause some huge problem. Get real.

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by darkhand0604/08/11

its not that simple

Climate Change is a far more complex issue than: CO2 = disaster. First, it isn't a debate on ice age vs global warming. Its wierd sounding but the warming of the earth can trigger a reversal of the earths poles, during which the earth undergoes massive climate and seismic disturbances or "an ice age". This process can be triggered very quickly and last some time.

We see this situation occurs naturally every so often and this brings a 2nd complication: is it our fault? Does our usage of fossil fuels and other pollutants really cause this? Unfortunately, science isn't that simple, we can only correlate relationships and find that their is a high probably what we do has an effect. Also, trying to look at change over huge periods of time is difficult to do. We can look at current changes in sea level, ice level, but ice rises in one spot, decreases in another, its a seasonal event as well, but overall we try to make some sort of pattern of it all.

Ultimately, whether its our fault, natural or non-existant (which I don't believe at all) isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Sure the media hypes it up, just like everything, but shouldn't we reduce pollutants anyway? Afterall, it WILL cause major problems of some kind eventually. And if Climate Change is speeding up due to human activity if we hold off doing anything untill its obvious, than it will will be too late to do anything. We should be spending time figuring out how to slow it down and survive the consequences not playing ostrich with our head in the ground.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

Nonetheless...

Nonetheless, if there is no global warming/climate change or if there is global warming/climate change, our government still routinely lies to us.

What is that about? Aren't you all sick and tired of all the lies? They point is all the lies our political elected think they can get away with telling us. They truly believe we are all a bunch of stupid fucks.

They are putting Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens on trial for lying to Congress. We need to start making our Presidents and Congressmen and Congresswomen as accountable as we are.

What happens when a President or a member in Congress lies?

"Sorry, I had a lapse in judgment, when I stole millions of dollars and had the best sex in my life with a stripper. I promise that if you vote for me again, I will never do that again."

C'mon, are you kidding me? If we lied and stole a die, they'd throw our ass in jail. Yet, this political connected rob millions and billions and nothing ever happens to them.

I'm mad as Hell and I'm not putting up with this shit anymore and neither should you.

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by 13enster04/08/11

theognis: Saying that manmade CO2 is negligible is an incredibly ignorant statement. It is basic chemistry. The atmosphere is finite. Every time a hydrocarbon is burned, CO2 is produced. If you do the math, you will find that the increases in atmospheric CO2 correlate well with increases in global energy consumption. The effects of increased atmospheric CO2 won't kill us directly (that takes much higher concentrations then we are talking about), but the aggregate effect will be quite dramatic.

SuperHeroRalph: I don't buy most conspiracy theories, because I just can't accept that the government is competent enough to pull them off. Do government officials lie? Of course! Do they get caught? Sometimes. In the case of manmade CO2 and climate change, I don't need the government to tell me anything, because a basic understanding of chemistry and mathematics is all that is required to know that this is going to be a problem.

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by theognis04/08/11

13enster

No, your contention is ignorant. The amount of of CO2 in the atmosphere is only .038% of the total, and man contributes less than 3% of that tiny amount. Mother nature contributes the rest with no help from us. On top of that, CO2 is a relatively minor greenhouse gas. Water vapor causes about 95% of the greenhouse effect, and is 99.999% natural, meaning no connection with the activities of man. There is nothing we can or should do about water vapor. Man's total contribution from all sources to the greenhouse effect is far less than 1%. Mother Nature's natural processes contribute more than 99%.

Everyone should resist the temptation to be a chicken little. The sky ain't falling, folks, and it isn't going to fall.

One more thing, there's no way we can avoid burning fossil fuels for the vast proportion of our energy needs for the foreseeable future, so there's no point in pretending we can.

There are many more important things to worry about than CO2. You produce it with every breath, and I doubt you want to stop.

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by TheRealFATANG04/08/11

The World Was Flat Once.

Only an idiot would think it possible to have the slightest idea of the weather patterns, and atmosphere variations, of a 100+ million year old planet by using just over 250 years of "exact" temperature readings, and even less information on gas concentrations.

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by natranna04/08/11

Well...

I get it you are upset (furious sounds more like it) that the government and politicians who are supposed to represent us are doing (and have been for a very long time) doing a terrible job. I am one to agree that one should be free to speak their mind and give their opinion. My only question to you is, if your purpose for writing this paper was complain about the "lies" the government feeds the nation...why bother making it an Earth Day submission? Anyone who does not believe in climate change as being real, is a fool in my book. There is evidence, everywhere and if you can keep lying to yourself and say it is not real, then maybe you refuse to see the truth in everything else and that is the first mistake. You need to question everything, the only reason you are disappointed and mad at the government and the media is because you believed all they told you....if more people questioned things instead of just taking whatever they are told things would be much different.
Peace!

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by Stormbringer04/08/11

Advice.

You dip a bit into kooky conspiracy nonsense and could use a dose of critcal thinking skills. I suggest going to skeptoid, com and listening to the podcasts. The global warming one is quite good.

PS

Johnson and the Democrats took social security out of the lock box to hide the cost of the Vietnam war, not the Republicans for Iraq and it's been in the general budget ever since.

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by RHinSC04/08/11

The Light Bulb

When did the light bulb click on, you do not usually have this outlook. I am sure that humans are fucking up the planet,but global warming, I don't know. TheRealFATANG has a very good point. How do these people know it all with very little information? If a scientist was sitting on a polar ice cap during the last warming period, what would he blame it on then? Volcano's and dinosaur shit? Too much salt in the ocean? Are these scientists as smart as they think they are or do they get paid to come up with ideas? Some of it is a money making scam. We spend an astronomical amount on going green now, right down to product packaging, we pay for that. I don't remember the figure, but it is very big business, one of the biggest. One thing is for sure, they will lie about it to further their cause, whatever that might be. How many of the conspiracy theories about different subjects are true? Many I would guess. There are too many lies and cover-ups to think any differently. You forgot Obama. I suspect that in a few years we will be watching one of those educational shows that will tell us of all his dirty dealings and questionable associates. We will all ask, How the fuck did he get away with that? I think we will find out much about his associates, we won't like it. Our current president is a politicians politician. He could talk the fur off a cat when he is in campaign mode, there is something that makes me not trust the man. I think it is his eyes or his flippant attitude, he is hiding something. He will spend a billion on trying to get re-elected. There is something really wrong with that. Buying elections. I know it's more complicated than that, but money talks. Politicians need consequences, harsh ones. That won't happen. The only way to fix it is to show up on the White House lawn with pitchforks and torches. They have to know that we are serious. Get rid of the politicians and replace them with normal people who will try and do the right thing....for us.

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by catchercradle04/08/11

Global warming is real!

Seven of the hottest years on record globally have been in the last twenty. Flowers are blooming on average four days earlier than they were fifty years ago in UK. How much this is due to CO2 emissions is open to some debate but, in my humble opinion, not much. I have reached an age where unless the scientists aver massively over optimistic I won't see the worst of it and in some ways may even benefit as a bee keeper from longer seasons. I hope for the sake of the next generation we can start taking it a lot more seriously.

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by theaquarianpen04/08/11

Republican greed

One thing is fot sure the attempt to slow global warming costs big business money which interfers with thier profits. So screw thier hiers let me get mine and the hell with everyone else. Our latest financial desaster is proof enough. As for all of us regular people as the song says "When Will They Ever Learn" Vote democratic or continue to be fleeced and endangered! Big Bill

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by KT535404/08/11

There are two types of politician, those who are there to enrich themselves at the public trough, and those who are there to gratify their own egos. Sometimes those who are there to satisfy their egos may actually achieve something, their claim to immortal fame in the annals of history.

In democracies with electorates power can be achieved by telling the populace what they want to hear, which may or not be the truth. If the truth gets in the way of being re-elected guess what is sacrificed.

Money may not make the world go round but it sure pays for political campaigns, if big oil pays for your political campaign I guess it becomes impossible to avoid dancing to another's tune.

As to bailing out the banks, for the last half century or so the entire Western economic system has been a giant pyramid scheme. We are effectively borrowing money from our future selves, children and grand children to spend today. Before WWII this was mostly done for real investments, building canals, rail roads, factories and scientific research etc, the returns of which could be used to pay of the loan, to my mind good capitalism. However the current incarnation of capitalism is based on the personal level on consumerism and disposable consumerism at that, to generate endless demand which can only be satisfied on the one hand by raping the planet and on the other by being hock for all that the banks are willing. Nation states directed by politicians as they are do exactly the same thing with the money either going on bread and circuses to bribe the electorate or to enrich the corporations owned by friends and donors. Allowing the banks to fail would have brought that whole ediface tumbling down.

Oh yes you were asking if global warming exists? it does. Is it man made, probably, is it leading to global extinctions, yes. Is mankind on the endangered list, probably. Can we do anything about it? Well unless you are one of those who believe that its a great thing (google the combination: global warming+end of days+rapture) this is the one cause we dare not allow die.

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by SuperHeroRalph04/08/11

Thank you

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read, vote, and/or comment on my story, Global Warming, Does it Exist?

The comments have been very informative.

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by RHinSC04/08/11

Or...

Could it be that we live on a big ball of molten metal? I would think that has allot to do with it.

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by tukster04/08/11

An impartial analysis of ALL the data.

I found this presentation, by arguably the most brilliant aeronautical engineer of the 20th century, to be the most honest, unbiased discussion of CO2 and global warming available.

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by bigguy32304/08/11

I don't think the question is whether there is Global Warming, but whether GW is significantly influenced by human actions.

With both sides pounding away it's hard to see through the bull shit that virtually SPRAYS from both sides.

My gut says that the earth's climate fluctuates in cycles within cycles. Ice Ages are definitive PROOF that the earth has been MUCH cooler. The fact that we are not currently IN an Ice Age is clear and incontrovertible evidence that the earth WARMED and melted the ice.

Volcano eruptions spew YEARS worth of carbon dioxide and other deadly gasses into the atmosphere every few years and once every 40 / 50 years there is a 'big' one that really lets a fart into the atmosphere.

My personal attitude is that we should not shit where we live. That means we should do the common sense things that we can economically do to keep our air, water and land clean of rubbish.

Does that mean we need to go back to the stone age and eliminate the use of carbon fuels? No, not in my opinion. We should use EVERY TECHNOLOGICAL safeguard we can to safely drill for oil, dig for coal and construct modern Nuclear electrical generating plants.

AND, we should pass laws that REQUIRE NEW homes, Condos, Apartments and such to be thoroughly insulated, have Solar panels and / or Wind generated power providing at least SOME of their power requirements. IF EVERYONE had a roof full of solar panels and / or Wind generators (or other alternative fuels) the amount of power generated would improve to about 25% (MY GUESS) from the current 2% - 3% that it currently provides. As far as I'm concerned we can finance 100% of this by taxes in a CRASH program. I'd consider it a national security issue, much like having a strong military.

For the next 100 years AT LEAST we will be dependent on fossil and Nuclear fuels and that is an undeniable fact. So, we need to get on with drilling and other fossil fuel / Nuclear programs and get AWAY from foreign sources of these INEVITABLE energy rich solutions.

Oil, today, this very day is running at $113.00 a barrel which is about 40 gallons of crude per barrel. It is a national emergency and when the gas we buy reaches $5.00 or even $10.00 per Gallon it will grind our economy to a halt. EVERYTHING we buy has to be moved by TRUCK or RAIL. Think about it...

Global Warming may or may not be significantly effected by human behavior. We need to deal with what we KNOW and not what MIGHT BE. INFLATION will consume us. A depression will destroy us as a modern nation.

There will be NO European Community to bail us out as they have done with Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Portugal and are about to do in Spain. We are TO BIG TO FAIL, but we will....if we don't start paying our way by drilling / solaring / Nukeing, and stop paying ruthless dictators our borrowed money for oil.

I'm just saying.........................

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by rothltdoad04/09/11

I pay attention

And I an pretty damn smart. A great number of respected scientists have concluded that ar planet is warming and have determined the causes. One of these causes is within our control. The predictions of these scientists universally if we reach and pass the tipping point is global disaster massive global disaster. Do you want to bet the human race cause thats what ur betting that they are wrong. I dont care if they are right or wrong the BET is not worth it. Its put the human race all of it up against short term gain for a few. No bet. I want everything done as quickly as we can to reverse this potential. Chicken Little My ASS. You wanna bet.

Jim

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by GenghisKhan04/09/11

Some generalizations are weaker than other generalizations

"..... There are just as many people who think that global warming exist as there are who think that it doesn't exist...."

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

The MAJORITY of people on EARTH have never heard of ---- much less KNOW any thing about --- global warming. So if you did/do a "Fox News" sort of idiotic surveys with people you randomy picked off from the street corner FROM AROUND THE WORLD, and SIMPLY ASK THEM: "Do you believe in global warming?", MOST would likely say "No."

And if you asked them to explain themselves, explanations would range from pure bliss to pure ignorance to pure metaphysical to pure religious nonsense --- e.g.: "God/the Creator, who created the universe, created things to be this way and it will continue to be this way, until God says otherwise, duh!"

The only people whose ideas, opinions, theories, and WORKING knowledge REALLY MATTER..... are those who have advanced degrees in mathematics (who could read and interprete to degrees beyond the average Americans, who understand things around the 8th-9th grade levels), in geophysics, in physics, in chemistry, in climatology, in biology, in chemistry, in computational sciences that allow them to look at complex data and make GENERALIZATIONS that have high/relevant statistical significance.

Sure, even among these latter folks, out of 100, you'd find a few "Fox News" types --- with PhD level of education, too, yes --- who would still say, "God said" blah, blah.... and don't think HUMANS would/could do anything TO the earth, being so large.... NEVER mind that within the last 500 years, since "Columbus discovered the new world" (stupidity is bliss), HUMANS alone, as ONE SINGLE SPECIES ON EARTH, has

(#1) cut down anywhere from 40% to 60% of the TREES on earth, polluted at least 80% of the world's LAKES, RIVERS, and coastal ocean waters to DEGREES where many animals, large and small, can't survive --- much less still good enough for us to USE it in our daily lives, something that mankind HAD BEEN ABLE TO DO since the dawn of humanity...

(#2) reduced the populations of the great whales, the lions, the cheetahs, the elephants, the tigers, the bears, the wolves, the bison anywhere between 70% to 90%....

Extinction is A WAY OF LIFE, not an exception, in slow cycles of tens of thousands to tens of millions of years....

but the extinction the earth's largest animals, all of which needing vast, vast territories, tens of squaure miles to thousands of squaure miles?.... within 500 - 1,000 or so years?, when homo sapiens numbers HAPPEN to go from a few tens of millions to close to 10 BILLION?.... THAT's due MAINLY to humans taking over every square inche of fertile land, through shooting and poisoning and environmental degradation....

anyway, the POINT to all these general observations is: when the ABSOLUTE majority of people on earth DO NOT have enough basic information, on animals and plants and human activities, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to gauge their knowledge of/on something as complex as global warming.

when you don't have basic science, 1 or 2 or 3 particles or parts per billion and other such large numbers DO NOT seem very big or significant to you, especially if the contribution of their POSSIBLE permutational effects on the larger ecologies and earth atmospheres MAY take 50 to 200 years to solidify, to cross a certain statistical threshold that would then bring about a certain major set of cascading catastrophes....

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by PrincessErin04/09/11

Wow

One big long rant but you do have some good points.

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by 13enster04/09/11

theognis:

Current levels of CO2 in the air are on the order of 390 ppm (by volume). Comparing CO2 to water vapor is silly. You are correct that water vapor is also a greenhouse gas, but the concentration of water in the atmosphere hasn't increased by 25% within the last 50 years. The atmospheric concentration of CO2 has. The bigger concern is that the rate of increase has also been increasing.

Maybe I'm just being conservative, but I don't like changes in the atmosphere that big or that fast.

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by theognis04/09/11

13enster

This hysteria over CO2 is what's silly. It not only is a basically harmless gas, it is generally beneficial to the planet and its life forms, especially plant life, and therefore beneficial to us. There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during the Paleozoic Era occurred in the Cambrian Period, at nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.

The planet has also been much warmer in the past than it is now. An extra degree or so in the next century or two is nothing to worry about, if that even occurs, which is by no means certain. The planet has a way of balancing things out, naturally. For example, the balance between the airborne and the absorbed fraction of carbon dioxide has stayed approximately constant since 1850, despite emissions of carbon dioxide having risen.

Not only is the greatest greenhouse gas, water vapor, 99.999% natural, having nothing to do with man, CO2 as a greenhouse gas is 95% natural, having nothing to do with man.

I'm not losing any sleep over man's tiny contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere, which contribution has not been shown to be the cause of any global warming, at any rate. Historically, rises in atmospheric CO2 levels have lagged behind warming, not preceded it. 'Warmists' may be putting the cart before the horse.

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by ucleebo04/10/11

Predictions Based on Mathematical Models

The scenarios of polar bears floating off into the sunset and the disappearance of the Florida coastline are all based on mathematical models that project happenings 75 to 100 years out. Weather models have a tough time predicting weather with any accuracy more than 5 days out. The fact is that you can pretty much tweak these models to predict anything you want them to.
The fact is that the trend of air and sea water temperatures over the recently recorded past are up; the amount of change that has occurred differs according to whatever souce is cited. Nobody can prove this trend will continue, by how much, or for how long. The only tools we have for that are the mathematical models - see the paragraph above.
Nor can anyone prove that these temperature increases are due to anthropological influences, in whole or in part. Increases in sunspot activity are much more likely to be responsible.
This has happened before. The Earth heated up during the Middle Ages, from about 1350 through 1650. Of course we don't have temperature records, but there are accounts of the retreat of the ice in Iceland and Greenland, and records of wine grapes being cultivated in far northern England. The Middle Age warming period was followed by the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1650 and lasted until around 1800; during this period record cold temperatures were the norm. There is no evidence whatever that either of these events were anthropologically caused.
The idea that Democrats are all global warming believers while all Republicans have their heads in the sand is just plain nonsense. That implies that there are no intelligent, thinking persons who are also Republicans. What the idea does show is the abysmal prejudice of anyone who would entertain such a clear dichotomy in the first place.
Is global warming real? I don't know, nor, I think, does anyone else, but I also refuse to be marched off with the rest of the Chicken Littles proclaiming that the sky is falling.

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by mark18104/27/11

Do you believe in Global Warming?

This is in fact a ridiculous question. Because "Global Warming" or climate change is not like a religion where you either believe or don't believe in the existence of a omnipresent being...

It is a series of provable scientific questions that ultimately lead to a predicted outcome.

Is CO2 a gas that restricts the flow of heat from the earth's atmosphere and space? YES (as are other gasses such as Methane)

Is there a demonstrable increase in greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere? YES (from 200 odd ppm to almost 400ppm)

How did this gas get into the atmosphere (and into the oceans)?. Doh! We humans have been burning oil & coal for about 100 years. Our current rate is 90,000,000 barrels PER DAY and 7,500,000 tonnes of coal PER YEAR.

If you listen to scientists, there is no doubt, no argument. The earth's chemistry is changing because of our actions. There are plenty of indicators from melting ice caps to droughts, hurricanes etc.

If you prefer to believe people who profit from continued consumption. There is doubt, there are other causes, it's not humans it's the sun or volcano's or the current orbital plane of the earth. or whatever other thing they can think of to create doubt in the minds of the general public.

So, for me, I tend to believe the scientists, I would prefer to act and pay higher costs for energy in order to wean ourselves off coal & oil. Not for me nor my kids but for my grand kids.

Next time you're outside look up! The majority of the atmosphere that the planet needs to sustain life is within 11km. About 10 minutes by car. It's pretty thin don't you think? Should we not give the earth the benefit of doubt?

Cheers

Mark181

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by claydodd07/08/11

Yes, but...

The earth has undergone global warming throughout its existence. Is man a causitive factor now? Who knows. Some scientists who say man is causing global warming were proven to be lying to get grants.

As for the Kennedy conspiracy, give it up. People just want to believe that Kennedy was so good that only a conspiracy could account for his death. Not so. He was shot by a man who was a decent marksman with a rifle not using "magic bullets". If you believe otherwise you probably got your "facts" from Oliver Stone.

The was in Iraq was brought on by Sadam Hussein. You are too young to remember the Kennedy assassination, but you surely saw Sadam Hussein threaten legal weapons inspectors time after time. He wanted Iran to THINK he had weapons of mass destruction so the Iran would not attack him in his weakened condition. Too bad for him that the USA believed him. Further, a relative who saw action in Iraq said there were signs of such weapons, but they were not reported.

I agee with you that we have really been screwed over by the banks and the government when it comes to money. But that was Obama's government, my dear.

Your treatment of Bush and Cheney is really sophomoric.

But except to the above, I like you. You are a sexy woman. I love sexy women. You look very pretty, and your brain is very lusty. Keep writing those hot stories.

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by Johnny1M10/20/11

Water vapor is not only a greenhouse gas, it's the greenhouse gas.

In all the models they use to predict global warming they neglect water vapor. That's because they don't know how to model it. Clouds have a cooling effect while the water vapor itself provides a warming effect. And yet both sides of the debate agree that water vapor provides somewhere between 70% and 95% of the greenhouse effect. You can guess which side uses the 70% figure and which uses the 95% figure. Of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, man only puts about 5% there, the rest comes from the oceans, volcanoes, etc. One thing should be clear just from the above statements. That is if there is no agreed on figures on water vapors contribution, how can there be any thing concrete about CO2's effect? Seriously, all the man made global warming people are doing is guessing. They like the idea of man caused CO2 global warming because, if true, it would allow them to tax energy in an unprecedented way. There would be huge amounts of money flowing into the government and of course it would be used for many projects having nothing to do with the environment. Heck, Australia has passed a carbon tax, and yet it's abundantly clear that with it's insignificant population and consequent small energy use, what ever they do will have no effect on the planet. It's simply a ploy to have more revenue to play with.

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by sublocked04/12/12

Follow the money.

Al Gore is now a very, very wealthy man. And so is the CEO of Exxon.

The truth lies some place in between.

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