Ellie felt relieved to learn that at least her dad seemed to have a similar view on the subject of incest. Her biggest obstacle was his reluctance to see her as a sexual being.
"Well, I'm glad we agree on that at least," Ellie said. "I can understand you not finding me attractive. I can deal with that, but I would just hate it if the only thing stopping us was the outdated puritanical beliefs that society is forcing upon us."
"Of course you're attractive, Ellie! You know I think you're gorgeous. I just can't see you in 'that' way."
"Can't or won't?" Ellie asked, then continued without giving her dad a chance to answer, "I believe that this 'mental thing' is something you can get past eventually if you wanted to. And, if you want my opinion, I truly think it would be worth it. For us, for this specific family, it would be amazing if we could have this new way to connect and to express our love. I would be so eager to pleasure you and Mom anyway I could and it would be amazing to let myself go completely in the safety of my parents as they'd pleasure me back. I really can't imagine more suitable people to learn and experiment with."
"I..." Bill was at a loss of words right then, listening to his daughter express her hidden desires.
"I'll make you a deal," Ellie continued, "this will be the last time I mention any of this to you or mom. But I want you both to really consider it. Don't dismiss it off-hand, try to imagine it, to picture how it would be like. That's all I ask."
Bill felt uncomfortable and was still searching for an appropriate answer, but Ellie didn't give him the chance. She kissed him on his cheek, said, "I love you, Dad," and went upstairs to her room.
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Bill wanted to honor his daughter's request to consider her proposal without any prejudice, but instead he felt terrified to the prospect of him wanting to touch her that way. Considering his attitude throughout his life towards sex, he was scared that if he attempted to imagine it, like Ellie suggested, it was quite possible that there would be a part deep inside of him that was tempted.
He knew, of course, that he would never willingly hurt her in any way, but the fact remained, that despite what she thought, there were risks involved as they'd be stepping into uncharted territory. It was a very unique situation and even if it might make sense in theory, no one could tell him for certain how it would work out. So he realized the safest thing to do is to force the thoughts out of his head and pray that it stays that way.
He did feel that he should talk to Mary, though, and let her know about his conversation with Ellie. It was obvious that their daughter was serious and hadn't just forgotten about her 'request' like they hoped she had. It might be cause for concern, although he saw clearly that Ellie was sensible and mature enough to have her own opinions without having Daddy and Mommy telling her what to think. Regardless if they agreed or not, he respected and trusted her.
His other concern was that Mary might sense even the slightest hesitation on his part. He would hate to look like a sick pervert in wife's eyes. They both were no strangers to things of sexual nature that some people would consider 'sick', but he assumed that this was probably where she'd draw the line. In any case, he had to deal with it eventually, so later that night he found the nerve to go talk to her.
He found her in their bedroom reading a book, as was her nightly ritual before she went to sleep. She raised her stare from the pages and smiled, "Hey, babe."
"Hey," he said back as he undressed and got under the sheet beside her. "So," he continued, "I had an interesting chat with your daughter this evening."
"Oh?" she said with a curious expression. She noticed how he referred to Ellie as 'her daughter', which usually indicated that she was probably up to no good. 'This should be interesting,' she thought.
"Turns out she still has her mind set on getting sexually involved with us."
Mary instantly tensed up as she heard her husband's words. She also, naively it seemed, had felt certain that this matter had been resolved, since everyone was pretending it didn't happen. However, unlike Bill, she hadn't been able to forget about it. The vivid scene she had imagined when she watched him together with Rose seemed to constantly find ways to creep in her fantasies. It still filled her with a mix of guilt and overwhelming arousal. She was dreading the next time they'd meet with them, when she would see Bill fucking her again, wondering how she will react.
Mary didn't comment, she just stared at him, so Bill continued, "Apparently we underestimated how much thought she's put into it."
"What did she say?" Mary asked.
"Well, for starters, she talked about how we shouldn't always let society's obsolete or generalized views and arguments control our actions and desires. We should use common sense to judge what is right for ourselves, which is hard to argue with, I guess."
"So you told her it's was ok?" Mary asked surprised.
"No, of course not, let me finish," Bill said. "I did say she had a point, that maybe incest isn't inherently wrong and could work under certain circumstances. But in our case it was a moot point since we are not able to see her sexually," Bill said, hoping he sounded convincing.
Mary didn't trust herself to comment, so instead she asked with a hopeful tone, "So, that's it?"
"Well, she did want to make a deal with us. She said she won't mention any of it again if we seriously consider it without prejudice."
Mary thought it best to stay silent. She was scared of giving any indication that she might be willing to consider it. As far as she knew her husband was still firmly against any of it.
"So I'm pretty confident that she won't bring it up again," Bill continued. "I must admit, she really was much more mature and intelligent about it than I gave her credit for. It wasn't just a teenager's whim," he said, unable to hide his pride, "so I think she'll understand our misgivings and respect our decision."
"Okay, that's sounds good, then," Mary said with a satisfied smile. There's was a small part of her that was disappointed, but she knew it was for the best. With the issue resolved she now might have a chance, in time, to put her depraved thoughts behind her.
As they went to sleep they both felt relief with the outcome, but also guilt for not being able to be completely honest with each other about their genuine feelings.
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Ellie was prepared to keep her end of the deal and not press the matter any further, but she did have one last card left to play. It might not be what she ideally would prefer, but it was a fair compromise that even had potential to lead to more. If she could convince her parents to go along with it, that was. She almost wished that she'd thought of it sooner. But then again, maybe it was better to ask now, after everything that happened during the week they might be less shocked and more open to the idea.
She decided to approach her mother with this because she felt that she was more understanding and sympathetic to the emotions she was struggling with. She also sensed that she seemed a little bit more open to the original idea than her dad, but that could very well had been her imagination.
Like last time, it was Saturday morning when she found a chance to speak with her alone. They were sitting across each other eating breakfast, her mom fiddling around with her iPad, browsing the web and reading about the day's news.
"So, Mom," Ellie started.
"Yes, sweetie," Mary replied without taking her eyes off her tablet.
"I have a favor to ask," Ellie continued.
"As long as it's not fucking your mom and dad," Mary said jokingly and chuckled still looking at her tablet. When she realized that Ellie didn't react to her joke she put the tablet down and faced her with a worried look. "Oh Ellie, this again? I thought we'd got over that."
"No, it's not that, Mom," Ellie tried to reassure her. "Well, not exactly."
That didn't do much to remove Mary's worried expression. "What is it?" she asked.
"Look, I know I put you guys in a difficult situation before, and maybe I was asking too much, but I know you understand how I feel and where I was coming from," Ellie said.
"I understand, Ellie, I really do, but-"
"I know," Ellie interrupted, "let me finish. I want to suggest a different solution to my problem. It's not as extreme and I'd still get the chance to get what I want... kind of."
"This sounds promising," Mary said sarcastically.
Ellie ignored her tone and continued, "It's simple, I want you to take me with you to one of your swinger parties," she said with a hopeful expression.
"Oh..." Mary uttered, taking some time to process her daughter's request. "Sweetie, it's not that simple," Mary started, "the swinger community in our area is not that big and people get recognized all the time. And for us it's an even smaller circle since we prefer to attend more exclusive parties. People will know or will find out that you're our daughter."
"What if it's just you and me?" Ellie asked, hopeful. "I mean, it's not that big of a taboo if it's just you there. It's not like we'd have sex together."
"I still don't think I'd feel comfortable with people knowing that I brought my daughter to one of these events," Mary replied. "Why would you want to go anyway?" she asked.
"I've never been in one but I imagine that people there will be more open-minded and more experienced with a more similar mindset to mine. Still, I would be terrified to go to one myself, so having you guys there will make me feel really safe to open up and experiment a little."
"You'd have sex in front of us?" Mary asked surprised.
"Of course! Haven't you been paying attention this past week, Mom?" Ellie rolled her eyes. "It might be a bit awkward at first but I'm quite sure I'd get a kick out of it. I know it will probably be weird for you guys but I think you'd get used to it eventually. It's just a person having sex, after all."
"Well, it's not 'just a person', but I get what you mean," Mary said with a smile.
"It really sucks, Mom. I really thought this would be the best compromise for us, and I was so excited to experience it. I've pretty much given up on boys my age, I guess it's just me and my dildos now," Ellie complained.
She couldn't hide her disappointment and Mary hated seeing her daughter like that. Before she could get a chance to regret it, she said, "You know, maybe it could work if it was somewhere away from our town, where no one would be likely to recognize us. Like, I don't know, Jamaica for example?" Mary said with a knowing look. Jamaica was where she had planned to go for vacation with her husband that summer.
Ellie instantly perked up. "Really?" she asked with her hopes raised once again. But it didn't last long as a worried look clouded her face, "but... didn't you already book a room like two months ago? It's too late to change your arrangements now."
"I'm sure we could come up with some kind of arrangement. The rooms have enough space for someone to sleep on a couch or something, if you don't mind-"
Mary was interrupted as Ellie had left her seat and was trying to suffocate her with her hugs and kisses, saying 'thank you' and 'I love you' over and over. She wasn't completely sure that she was doing the right thing but she couldn't help feeling happy seeing her daughter beaming with joy like that.
"Okay, settle down now," she said trying to untangle herself from Ellie's grip, "let me talk to your father first."
"Thank you so much, Mom," Ellie said again, not letting the fact that her father hasn't agreed yet get her down.
Mary looked Ellie as she made her way upstairs and tried to grasp the situation she had got herself into. She wondered how she should broach the subject with her husband. She kept thinking about how happy she had made Ellie but images of her daughter naked having sex also kept popping up in her mind. 'Maybe this could work,' she thought to herself.
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Later that day Mary met Bill for lunch in one of their favorite restaurants, as they often did on Saturdays. They were in the middle of a casual conversation when she decided to broach the subject that was in the back of her mind all day.
"So, Ellie wants to come with us to Jamaica after all."
"Well, it's a bit late for that, isn't it?" Bill replied casually.
"Actually," Mary hesitated, "I kind of told her it was ok."
"What?" Bill said irritated. "Honey, we already asked her two months ago and she said no. You know it's too late now to change our booking arrangement."
"Oh come on Bill, there'll be plenty of space, we don't have to change anything," Mary said urging him to relax. "You don't seriously mind if Ellie comes with us?"
"Of course not," Bill replied defensively. "It's just that... well... dammit, it was supposed to be a surprise!" Bill said frustrated.
"What is?" Mary was completely puzzled.
Bill hesitated and then said, "I cancelled the hotel room. After Ellie originally refused to come with us, I went ahead and arranged for us to stay instead at a nudist resort in the same area. It's been years since we've done something like that and I thought you'd like it."
"You what?" Mary chuckled, genuinely surprised. "Oh, that's so sweet, baby, of course I like it," she smiled at him reaching across the table and squeezing his hand.
"I'm glad you like it, honey, but you can see now that taking Ellie with us is a bit tricky."
"Why? She is an adult and I'm sure there will still be enough space for her in our room," she said. "And I'm pretty sure she won't mind," she added with a knowing look.
Bill knew, of course, what she meant. "Honey, it will be weird and uncomfortable," he protested.
"Not for me," Mary said matter of factly. "You're not seriously going to refuse taking Ellie with us because you think it will feel weird?" she asked, using air quotes for the word 'weird'. "It's not like we strut around the house nude, but we've all seen each other naked at one time or another. It was never a big deal."
Bill didn't really have a come-back for that. She was absolutely right, of course. He wasn't a prude and he didn't have problem with nudity. What troubled him was that everything that happened during that week had triggered hidden desires inside him and had him worried about the prospect of being naked together with his daughter. But he wasn't about to admit any of that to his wife. "Why the sudden change of heart anyway?" he finally asked.
"Okay, try not to be upset," Mary started, "but I kinda told her that we might take her with us to one of the swinger events there," she said, waiting for her husband's outburst.
"Why the hell did you do that?" Bill asked, visibly upset but trying to keep his voice down.
"Relax, honey, it's not as bad as it seems. She asked to come to a swinger party with us, but of course we couldn't do that anywhere near our town where we might get recognized. So I thought it was a good opportunity if she came to Jamaica. She really wanted to experience this and we would only be there as chaperones, so to speak. I'm sure you wouldn't prefer for her to go alone to one," Mary explained.
"Are you serious?" Bill asked incredulously.
"Calm down, Bill, you're making it a bigger deal than it is," she replied. "It was a good compromise to what she wanted originally. We won't have to do anything with her - hell, you won't even have to watch her - and she will get to experience some of the things she fantasized about in a safe environment. And no one will have to know we're related."
"I don't know honey," Bill said, trying to find the logic in it. "It's kind of..." he trailed. He wanted to say 'risky' but then that might get her to ask questions which he wouldn't have been comfortable answering.
"Look, Bill, I've been a horny eighteen year old girl and I know it doesn't really take much to do something really stupid, or worse, get hurt. I think keeping her close and guiding her through this phase from a safe distance is the right thing to do."
"Okay, whatever," Bill relented after giving it some thought. He knew better than to go against a mother-daughter alliance. And he couldn't argue without revealing the real reason he was worried. "I trust you, if you say it's okay," he added.
"Great!" Mary said enthusiastically and leaned across the table to kiss him.
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As expected, Ellie was more than excited to go to a nudist resort. Upon hearing the news from her mother, the first thought that came to her mind was a luxurious place on the beach where everybody was naked and having sex with each other anywhere they wanted. Like a huge swingers orgy. That image was brought crashing down pretty soon by her mother who explained that it was just any other vacation place, only difference is that most people were nude. In fact, public sex is not encouraged, except in certain places and under certain circumstances. Any swinging parties they were to attend would be at a different place in the same area.
Ellie didn't let this revelation bring her down, though. After some thought, she realized her preconception of a nudist resort was kind of silly and not based on reality. She was still looking forward to it. Thinking about being naked out in public in front of other people, also naked, was intimidating and thrilling at the same time.
Originally, Ellie had refused to spent summer vacation with her parents because she'd made plans to spend it with her friend Lisa and her boyfriend. After she broke things up with Josh, though, it was obvious she was going to feel like a third wheel, so this turn of events suited her in more ways than one. She spend the next couple of weeks waiting for her vacation with her parents to start, eager about all the exciting prospects that lay ahead.
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It was Sunday night when they arrived at the resort. It was pretty late and they were all tired from the trip, so after they were shown in their room they didn't have much energy to go out and check the facilities. The resort was clothing optional so no one forced them to undress when they arrived, but it was expected that they would once they were settled in. Even for people who were shy, it usually ended up more embarrassing being dressed anyway, since everyone else wasn't.
There were hotel rooms in the main building but they also had small bungalow-type rooms in a different area of the resort. It was one of these rooms that Bill had booked and, as expected, it had more than enough space to accommodate a third person. The bungalow was comprised of three rooms, one main big room, where the entrance was located, a bedroom with a king size bed, and a bathroom accessed from the bedroom. In the main room there was a sitting area, which included a couch, and a small kitchen area with just the essentials.
After they unpacked, Ellie got settled on the couch, which was comfortable enough to serve as a bed, and Bill and Mary took the bedroom. They were separated by a door, so there was enough privacy to make it work. While they were all excited by the beauty of the country they'd seen so far, and the resort itself, exhaustion took over pretty quick and they were all asleep within a half an hour after checking in.
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Bill woke up the next morning by the sound of their bedroom door opening. Ellie was obviously the first one to be up and she had to use the bathroom. Bill wasn't quite ready to leave the bed yet, so he closed his eyes hoping he'd fall asleep again. A few minutes later he heard the sound of the shower running. It was loud enough for him to give up on any thoughts he had on further sleep.
He'd just started getting up when he realized the bathroom door was wide open, and sat back down afraid that he'll be noticed looking. Even in that position he had a clear view of the inside of the bathroom. The shower was just behind the wall to the side of the door, so he couldn't see Ellie showering, but he could see the rest of the room. He was considering getting up and closing the door, when the shower stopped. He didn't move. He heard the shower door open and right after that his daughter came into view.