I hope you are taking this somewhere. If it's just going to be a fuckfest where everyone lives happily ever after, just say it all in the next chapter and we can move on.
And here it is, the hubby revealing himself as a willing cuck
Like I said earlier, this transformation astounds me. I guess it is built into you, whether this behavior by a wife is something you can accept or not. Don feels he is getting an "improved" wife, but really wonder how the missus can still respect him.
I mean, didnt she wonder why he so willingly accepted her infidelity? Have any doubts whatsoever? Did she wonder if he was maybe getting some on the side as well?
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Anonymous03/12/15
just look at who favored
your story and that will tell how sick you and your story are.
Thanks for another excellent chapter. As to the question of where this story is leading, I think the title gives away a little too much. Still, it's a fascinating journey, and the quality of your writing enhances the reading experience.
Thanks for sharing. I look forward to the next chapter.
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Anonymous03/12/15
You know how fucked up this pile of shit is when those cum-sucking faggots bt2 & swingerjoe are commenting. "1" of course.
Hope this author dies of aids or something very soon and take those other two trannys with you.
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Anonymous03/12/15
It's a good read but for the life of me I can't understand how anyone would allow their spouse to fuck someone else. It's lost love ,respect ,honor and its humiliating to know that they desire someone more than you. Most would move on to someone who wants the and there is many out there once people know your availble. Cheaters are snakes who want the secure partner and the excitement of fucking new people but that is not a marriage. If your not ready stay single or if married but want more have some respect for your partner and divorce. She is a selfish pig who put her family in jeopardy and his family without a care of the end result. That dumb thought that if its this good here than I don't care what you do with him unless hubby is a snake also and is ducking around himself. Personally me and 99% of the people I know would tell her to pack the truck with her shit and go life's to short to put up with a cheating slut who is thinking about her married fuck buddy while I fuck her. Hope hubby gets a girl of his own so the slut will know how it feels .
No man, regardless of his confidence, would grant his wife permission to fuck another man
Unless he was also cheating or got off on that adultery.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Because as soon as she cut Don off to fuck Ray, she made a subconscious choice, that Ray would get the best of her whole her husband had to settle for second best.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Not bad ..
OK, I buy the story, but only up to a point.
In Ch 3 the author made the following comment:
"And thanks too to those who are letting loose with their condemnation of a woman who is in the process of discovering a new side to herself."
Granted,this seemed partly aimed at the hypocricy of some commentators, condemning the female party of infidelity and not the male party.
That aside, consider the following: there are many ways in which a woman can discover a new side of herself. But which 'side' is being discovered? Is the self-liberation as virtue supposed to be the cover for the infidelity that even she vaguely feels? I'm not sure what the point of the story is supposed to be.
What doesn't convince me in this story is that the husband is cast in the role of the savior of her moral dilemma by giving his approval for it even before her 'admission'. As a moral tale, I call this having your cake and eating it too. As a story, it contains a degree of moral dishonesty on that key point. It doesn't allow the woman commiting an infidelity (let alone the man who is just in the background, story untold) to really deal with her inner self, the choices she made in life, presumably with forethought, and why she decided on her own to rewrite the rules.
That, for me, would have been the interesting issue to explore.
So far, up to ch 4, all we have is the tolerant husband who's given her permission.That's a weak, a very weak, dramatic rationalization.
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Anonymous03/12/15
good story
But I would love to see Don find a sweetie on the side and maybe the wife might see just what she is doing with her lover Ray. Right now Don is second in his wife's opinion as she thinks of her lover while she is making love to her husband. She is also doing things now with her lover (like being on top) than she does with her husband. She also doesn't appear to be thinking of Ray's wife and family and what could happen if his wife was not agreeable to this arrangement. No, a sweetie for Don might get her to right her ship that is sinking as I write this. Well written tale and looking forward to the paths that people will choose to take.
You should be very happy that you received such astute and well written anon. comments. I agree with everything said there, and will add this: Even if by means of some extremely unlikely malfunction occurring in Don's brain (tumor, mental illness?) he were able to "accept" the "logic" of Lu(e/cy)'s actions, what about Julie? She might, just perhaps be a wee bit less logical than Don. If you want to write something better than a 2-star story (and you certainly have the potential to do so) it's now time to think about "The Consequences". No, not some fantasy world consequences, but rather what would REALLY happen. How would REAL people react? If you need help figuring that out look at the "infidelity" forums (on talk about marriage for example). Consequences...
The further we get into this story, the more interesting it becomes. The annony who wrote the comment "not bad" made several good points regarding the morality of these characters, the motivations for their behavior, and the consequences (which aren't fully revealed at this point.)
From the husband's point of view, I think his morality and motivations are very clear. He loves his wife more than anything in the world, and wants her to be happy and fulfilled. Her affair with Ray has nothing to do with him. It changes nothing about their marriage; in fact, it enhances it, because she's happier and hornier. Win-win-win for everyone -- except Ray's wife, who has yet to become part of this picture.
Lue began seeing Ray with Don's full knowledge and consent. There was nothing immoral about her actions as they related to her husband. Her major ethical failure was having sex with a married man, who was (presumably) cheating behind her back. That immorality falls more to Ray than Lue, but it will be interesting to see how she deals with that going forward -- especially as she wrestles with the feelings she is developing toward him.
All this is is a story about a woman who hates her family and husband. I was hoping for some turn around in this series but it's obvious that's not going to happen.
Just another slide down the evolutionary scale to join the swingers and other bonobos. I can hardly wait to read the pseudo-intellectual claptrap from those claiming to be more evolved. No, I can wait. I have wasted too much time and energy on this whore anyway. I'm stepping off.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Crap
Wasn't half bad until the husband became a willing cluck...
Same old... same old...
Why even be married????
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Anonymous03/12/15
A thought-provoking story!
to bad the comment came for a cum ingesting cuckold. Swingerjoe, you would love this story, while the writing style isn't bad. It's still a "blah, Blah, Blah" cuck story. These types of stories are why the BTB crowd grows everyday. Swinging, threesomes, foursomes and so on are accepted in a better light because everyone is evolved. The cheating then confessing after the fact is what takes away for the genre. The cheating itself could be gotten pass, it's hard but possible. But this and other stories like it are what's impossible to believe. Giving permission after the fact is nothing more than becoming a lovable cuckold, it takes away from the male character.
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Anonymous03/12/15
A fake premise, in search of justification.
"How could a man possibly suggest that his wife should have sex with another man?" That's obvious to all but the most dense mind: He lacks the strength and self-confidence to demand her loyalty and fidelity. The husband is acquiescing in her cheating because of what he thinks he might lose if he objects. Half a loaf is better than none. In the end, all the husband's actions are a self-serving grasp to keep some remnant of the marriage they may have once had. And his wife knows this in her heart. She married a weak man. And that is why she is drawn to a stronger, more self-confident man. Do you think Ray would share her if she were his wife? Do you think she would seek Don out for sex in preference to Ray? She was with Don for years. After a few nights with Ray he's won her body and her mind, and is taking her heart.
So here is the fake premise, and the lie: "But surely knowing that another man has been fucking his wife and she is thinking of that other man while he is making love to her must be the ultimate test of a man's self-confidence. Don aced that test - Hons.1." This is a transparent attempt from a cheating wife to convince her husband that his acquiescence is not weakness, but actually strength! So tell us, author, did it work? There's a reason why its called, "being fooled." I feel very sorry for the fools in your life, both fictional, and real. This reader is not one of them.
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Anonymous03/12/15
swingerjoe
Her affair has nothing to do with Don? WTF? She cheats.Got it? Cheats on her husband then to relieve her obvious guilt asks for permission.She lied to her husband through omisssion.Not telling hubby she fucked Ray.This story is well written but when it comes.down to it she cucked her husband.
Indeed! What will the love marks on Don's wife do to Don?
What primal instinct will be unleashed in his mind and heart. Surely the marriage vows of forsaking all others is the same "down under" as they are here. It will be interesting to see the conclusion of all this and what will happen to a trusting, pregnant wife. As I said before, I like conflict; not the namby pamby hubby that gives in to his wife. 5 *'s
You're right, actually. I was thrown off by the switch in timeline between chapters one and two. I was under the impression that Don had given permission to (and even encouraged) Lue to have sex with Ray before it happened. I just went back and re-read the first few chapters, and you are correct. My mistake.
Yes, that changes things quite a bit from a morality standpoint. Although, given the cavalier way that Don asked if his wife was having sex with Ray, it doesn't seem as though it bothered him.
The tricky part about this story is that it is told from Lue's perspective, so we readers have no insight into what Don is thinking. I'd like to see a little more dialog between Don and Lue to help explain why he's behaving so casually about his wife's affair.
Re: swingerjoe's last comment, Ch5 will explain a little more about Don's view of the world.
What I do find extremely troubling is the blind moralising by so many commentators and their failure to see any possibilities in the way that people may live, other than by the strictures they would impose.
I assume (from the time separation of posting) that most of the moralisers come from the good ole US of A. We come from a land down under. We have our moralisers too, but not in the same proportion. After all, you have so many of them that you could never elect as your political leader an unmarried atheist woman living with her boyfriend (who we called 'the first bloke').
I'm not saying that Lue's behaviour was so OK that it should have been flaunted publicly, or that it wouldn't have led to disaster other than for the maturity and empathy shown by Don. But it takes all types to make a world.
Those who would impose their world view on others are the cause of most of the world's problems. It may be a long step from saying that Lue should follow your moral dictates or die of AIDS, to ISIL imposing sharia law and beheading those who won't follow their strictures, but they are on the same spectrum.
It's called intolerance.
Ps: It was a bit difficult to die of AIDS in the 1970s.
I'm glad Lue did not lie when confronted. It shows that even though she was a cheater she has some character. I just hope that she realizes how lucky she is to have Don. In the future maybe she will treat Don to a threesome with a girlfriend or something sexy as a thank you. She should show a little justice. I'm also glad she is not into humiliating Don for her sexual kicks. Thanks for sharing a side of infidelity that is not covered as often as it should be; the explanation on how the woman starts to cheat.
@ luedon If there is Blind Moralizing it's coming from you.
"What I do find extremely troubling is the blind moralising by so many commentators and their failure to see any possibilities in the way that people may live, other than by the strictures they would impose."
I find your judgement of others who do not share your cavalier views of marriage and fidelity to be pretty off putting. We get to comment on content as well as two dimensional characters. If you read carefully, the commenters are most concerned about the deception. I guess deception is OK in your world.
If it is autobiographical at all and you and you "wife" (yeah that is judgmental on my part) played these kind of games and enjoyed it, then fine. It will make a good stroke piece for those who get off on betrayal, cuckoldry, and perhaps humiliation in future chapters. But don't moralize about a marginal minority view of marriage and behave as if it is somehow enlightened.
I have the general impression that Aussies don't take the same view of marriage and marriage vows as we puritans in the states. Hell marriage seems to be mostly about the convenient cock or piece of ass than anything else. But don't try to foist the "he loves her so much he just wants to see her satisfied" sophistry on thinking people. Or even people like me who don't think all that much.
Deception and betrayal are the issues here, at least for me. Lue can have carnal relations with a cattle prod for all I care but the deception is not acceptable.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Your descriptive language manages to "paint" a scene without an excess.....
...of descriptive terms. I especially appreciate that you refrain from an excess of exclamation points, preferring to tell the story, rather than sell me a car.
Very little technical to quibble about, so I won't.
On a personal note, I am put off by all things cuckold, unless there is a matching cuquean. Parity is important, unless one of the couple is a submissive. Many, many of the cuck stories in LW are strongly D/s works, as much as anything else. That's a shame, as it draws LW well into BDsm territory, where a great category already exists for those that find that whole thing worthwhile. I do not.
I'm waiting to see if it turns out that Don's been taking turns with someone he works with, or Ray's wife (maybe he's the one got her preggers.....) if not, my concern goes to Ray's preganant wife. Cuqueaned expecting, vulnerable and (relatively speaking and from what you've given us of her), innocent. Clearly, she's a victim here, not knowing or complicit with the shennanigans in the minivan.
So, I'm less impressed than I might be, if they had had some honesty and integrity in dealing with all those affected by the illicit sex between the two. That Don is complicit does not sugest strength of character, in my mind, but pragmatism, perhaps, fatalism. He cannot win, if this goes to a divorce action. Apparently, he loves wifey, but sees clearly she is infatuated and willing to cheat on him with Ray, indeed, she already has. who else will she add to the list before she's done? She claims having been faithful to Don, if not bored by him. Since when did boredom excuse betrayal?
He chooses not to take umbrage at this behavior, but accepts and seems to appreciate her deepened passion. OK, this will fade, will the marriage last? Will/has Don be/been willing to stay faithful, or has he been sowing wild oats and not talking, too? It would make more sense to me if he were. Perhaps his PA is a hot 23 year old that wants him and his babies. Perhaps Don's waiting for wifey to turn up pregnant with Ray's baby to impregnate his PA and move her in.....
Perhaps Don's feelings are shifting, as he sees wifey drawing away from him and towards Ray. It's already started.
It's all too prone to explosive failure.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Still waiting for the.....
"And Back".....
Sorry, but as predicted......
One page will JUST NOT ADEQUATELY EXPLAIN her journey
BACK!
And, clearly, THAT would have been the most interesting part in this saga(?).
Tis a shame that you as an author thought that a few lines of fucking in the van would suffice. Lets compare: With seats or without seats??? Which IS more 'erotic'? Who the fuck cares? REALLY?!?
Who gives a flying flipping Feburary that she couldn't cum that way?!?
What I really want to know is:
How does she get to the point where she realizes that to "FULLY EVOLVE", what she needed to do was spend half as much energy working with her apparently open minded hubby on making her marital relations better- than she did PURSUING A MALE WHO WAS EVEN LOWER THAN SNAIL SNOT on a dirt floor?!?
I think that ALL cheating is bad, but I read these stories to see HOW, WHERE, and WHY(?) people manage to survive, learn from and move on from the mistakes made when succombing to this sort of irrational lust.
That said,
"Some" cheating IS worse than others.
THAT said:
What is worse than cheating on your about to be giving birth wife? OK, no sex for 6 weeks, right? What a sacrifice! Please tell me a FEMALE author, professing to have children of her own, understands the nature of ABSOLUTE sacrifice involved in childbirth? Is this NOT among the worst kind of betrayals??
It was even a plot point in THIS story that you (she) went over to asshole's house to 'help' right after the baby came. OMG, the fucking hypocracy?!?
How this character was able to look at herself in the mirror with a clear conscience after THAT? It doesn't matter that week-willed-wanna-be-cuck hubby #1 said it was OK. Your narrator should have known it would NEVER be OK.
Some may think, interesting, because HIS betrayal is worse than hers. But THOSE are the ones who convienantly forget the culpibility of the enablers in any of/these types of situations.
So how do we come "back" from this? Surely you can see why I'm so interested to see the 'how'?
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You have thrown the ring of power in to the hellish flames of Mordor. How in the HELL could this little golem think SHE could rescue it, and return it to Sauron?
(Sorry, bad analogy. My kids made me watch that movie again last night.......)
being a living dildo for his wife while she is thinking about her lover? And he is happy because he has a sex demon in his bed? Not buying it. Later the love she has for his husband will falter and she will give it all to her lover. That is something I want the author to address next.
Thanks for recognising what is perhaps the most important part of the serial: the types of things which can lead a woman (or perhaps even a male partner sometimes) to 'cheat' on her partner.
The feeling that 'I have become nothing other than a mother to my children and a wife to my husband' may not be well understood by those who have never felt that way, but believe me, it can happen.
To get confirmation that 'I can be more than what I have become' elsewhere can be very seductive. Social norms may well say that it is not right, but that doesn't stop it from happening.
I was trying to explain the conflict that can occur in a woman's mind between that need for confirmation of myself as a person valued in more ways than just one, against the social norms which say it is 'wrong'.
I belive this is the end, because of part 1 where we found that the husband will allow her to take the lover home and sleep in their bed...Even if the writer can continue the story...What I can say about the story, now that is finished @luedon? 1st - For what you told she never came back to Lue; 2nd - I don't see the husband as a man full of self-confidence, but yes as a man that doesn't like to be in confrontational situations: 3rd - I still belive that no father, even the wimpest, would allow the lover in their house with their children there, sleeping or not. And only a denatured mother would allow that too. If she had the allowance of the husband, why not go and stay in an hotel? Why risc some bad situation? 4th - The lover slept away from home...His pregnant wife was so blind and stupid to not question him? So I have to conclude that this couple didn't love each other...They were only accommodated with each other...And both were people who don't like to fight against accommodation, so they let themeselves flow in that life...The danger in this situation isn't the wife to love the lover, but that some day the husband finds love in another woman...Then this wife will find herself alone, because the lover will never divorce the wife to stay with her...why? Because he knows she is a cheating wife and he will not want that kind of woman for himself. His only interest is to use her as a whore for free, while at home he treated his wife as a lady...And find herself alone, finding that the lover only interest was to fuck and use her, will destroy her each day a little more...So @luedon I rate this story 3* for your writing and 1* for the plot and characters.
@luedon I find it interesting that in your responses...
you totally ignore the deception as a problem and fall back on the tired old cliches from the 70's and 80's about women finding their fulfillment outside of marriage and that the "enlightened and evolved" husband lets it happen or encourages it. As I said before, sophistry.
"Following my transformation from wife and mother to sexy and desirable (in my mind, at least)"
is an incredibly sad commentary of Lue's perception herself and a real put-down of wives and mothers who don't have to find worth in the ability to fuck.
It sounds as if this story is indeed autobiographical and you have my greatest sympathy but please don't claim enlightenment or that you have "evolved" to willing cuckoldry. If you evolve any more you will have to return your opposable thumbs.
Thanks for writing. I would give 2* for the narrative and character development and 1* for the story arc and the sophistry of laying claim to being evolved. Lucky for you I don't vote.
I think the difference is in the expectation that others mustn't do certain things.
(Albert Ellis used to call it 'musterbating')
We have no expectation that others mustn't do things unless what they are doing harms others. What most people do is OK so far as we are concerned.
In my story, as some commentators have noted, the biggest danger was that Julie could be harmed. To that extent, all three main characters could be criticised.
But if Julie didn't find out, and wasn't hurt by what happened, many will still say it was wrong. Maybe, but we would say on balance it all worked out OK.
Is her world and life view such that deceit and betrayal are ok? Are all things relative and do the ends justify the means? If so, I'm glad I don't have to do business with you and yours or count on you to do the right thing when the chips are down.
I'm glad it worked out alright for you, or at least that you perceive that it did.
My issues are not so much with the sex itself but with betrayal and deceit. Thank you for writing and replying far more cogently than I.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Questions
Did Don get to play outside your sandbox or was that a one way street.?
Was it just the enlightened wife that got to play outside her marriage? I thought you wrote that Don't was an Alpha? I guess your definition of alpha and mine are a bit different.Most alphas don't let others willingly let other alphas play in their sandbox.Well written piece if a bit delusional in thought process.
...but I actually agree with seekeraz, for the most part. All three main characters are acting immorally (at least, in my version of morality), and I wouldn't want to associate with any of them in real life. But that's what makes this story compelling! Do you only like reading stories where moral and righteous people act with morality and righteousness? Talk about boring!
This site is all about immorality -- at least, as it is defined by the majority of the world. Homosexuality is considered immoral by many. Incest is immoral to most. Even anal sex is a punishable offense in some cultures. Hell, one of the reasons I like stories about extra-marital sex is its "taboo" nature. If you don't like tales of immorality, you're on the wrong site!
To respond to a few of the other comments here:
1) Why do people always ask if the husband is getting his "fair share" of pussy, too? What difference does that make? It's not a game. No one is keeping score. As long as he's cool with his wife banging other guys, who cares if he's getting any strange? Maybe he doesn't want to be with another woman. Maybe the wife suffers from crippling insecurity and couldn't handle it. As long as they're both happy, that's all that matters.
2) I also see the same comment again and again, asking why the wife in a story does things with her lover that she doesn't do with hubby. I can only respond by asking: do your wives do all the things for you today that she did when you first met?
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Anonymous03/12/15
Fun story but it's just another cheating slut wit a dope of a husband thinking that letting her act like a pig for someone else will keep her happy and yourself getting a better wife in your own bed. What a disgrace if that's what you need to allow to have a great marriage. It's not easy but being faithful should be the easy part. I'd kill myself before I had to be humiliated to be happy with my own wife. To all concerned its that hubby should get some but it might give his wife a feeling of what it's like to have him want someone else more I think it's that other girl while she is naked with him but he really is desireing another.
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Anonymous03/12/15
Skanky slut would already be gone from my life
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Anonymous03/12/15
An Alpha???
You can call an omega an alpha all you want, but he's still a lowly omega. No true Alpha would put up with that amount of disrespect.
Enough Joe enough.The world knows you love a good cuck story.Just let the other people comment without your running diatribe.This is very well written if not my cup of tea.I think the author sees life through a different filter than most people but.....I'm glad I'm not Don
Just a bit further to Joe's comment about what this site does: I had thought that those reading Loving Wives stories were here because they enjoyed that type of story. Clearly, I was wrong.
I don't read Incest stories because I find the idea abhorrent. To be flippant for a moment, it took 36 hours hard labour to get my son out of there and I certainly don't want him back in. And if my husband had ever had impure thoughts about my daughter I wouldn't be responsible for my actions.
So I just don't go to the Incest stories.
Why, then, is it that people who find adultery abhorrent keep reading stories from a category that clearly is labelled in such a way that it includes stories of wives 'cheating' on their husbands?
I don't know if you read this site very often but cuckold stories of which yours is one tend to take a beating in this category.Like it or not thats the way it is.I'm not saying it is wrong or right I'm just saying it is.When you right a story like this you are going to get a lot of comments like the ones you have received . I'm surprised that you are surprised at the reaction.You write well.I personally don't find cheating wives who cuckold their husbands erotic.but thats me.Grow a tough skin if you continue with this plotline and good luck No vote
So you thought that just because we read Loving Wives we all endorse betrayal and deceit? Some of us read as a therapy. I guess some read in better hate the cheater. Recently more and more willing cuckolds seem to relish parading around and announcing their humiliation and even a few wannabe bulls show up from time to time. It's an ill-defined hub with quite an eclectic mix of readers.
I know that you won't believe this but there are some stories in Loving Wives about wives who actually love their husbands and value being faithful over deceit. Your story thus far is about a pretty superficially drawn wife who values her cunt over her family and husband and lies and deceives and betrays to meet her basest needs. Some of us are going to find that reprehensible. Lying is not an admirable trait. Deceit is shameful to most people with a modicum of integrity. You seem to celebrate deceit and betrayal and your "husband" doesn't give a shit and lord only knows the values that Julie took away from this.
I read some of this to respond to this mindset and to those "men" who roll over or encourage promiscuity in their females. I also respond to the stupid assertions the fucking around is somehow enlightened or more highly evolved. Having been involved with a woman who valued her cunt more than her commitments I have found some relief from that pain just by responding to stories of like women. It's my hangup, I guess just as deceit seems to be yours. You can respond to me and I can respond to you.
Thank you for sharing. I'm afraid you are off the Christmas Card list and the invitation is off. I don't want to see the marriages of my friends fucked up by someone who thinks only of herself.
Luedon, when you say "To get confirmation that 'I can be more than what I have become' elsewhere can be very seductive. Social norms may well say that it is not right, but that doesn't stop it from happening", you are just rationalizing. If a man said that because of self-doubt, he wanted a younger, hotter girlfriend, but that his wife should still cook, clean and care for him, he would not be tolerated for a second. He'd be a pig, an asshole and there would be much advocacy to destroy him in divorce. So why is it different if it's a woman?
There are seductions every day. Most of us don't embezzle from our jobs, even if we feel underpaid; we don't cheat on tests, even if we can get away with it; we don't shoplift, even if nobody is looking. These things are " seductive" too. Just like infiledity. But we don't do it. Cause resisting such seductions is what makes us honest people.
And, so you don't dismiss me as being opposed to cheating wife erotica, I am not. I actually enjoy much of it. But that doesn't mean I approve of it or would do it. I like war movies, but would make a lousy soldier. I like crime shows, but don't approve of crime.
I don't mind your story at all. But I think your justifications are just that. Trying to make something that's not right seem less wrong.
I have no issue with open marriage or DADT or anything agreed to. But this story was about a wife who cheated and deceived and then the husband acquiesced. That's his choice, and I don't judge, but I still will moralise that it's just wrong.
If I go into a store and shoplift, butt he store owner knows me and doesn't call the police and eventually rolls me I can keep the goods, that doesn't mean I am not a thief. Maybe if I do it a second time with such permission, that's not stealing, but I was still a thief.
If I were Don, I would have a really hard time trusting her.
No, I haven't been a great reader of the site until recently, when I thought I might have a decent story in me. Thanks for the advice (consolation?).
Chapter five was submitted yesterday. After that I think I'll retire defeated.
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Anonymous03/13/15
To luedon
Always put a disclaimer in your stories before you tell your tale.Something like:WARNING!Willing cuckold husband.
Your rate will go up a bit because a lot of BTB crowd will skip it.
About your tale:The cheating is a MINOR thing, more like a consequence.The lies and deceit are big ones.I have a friend who caught his mother cheating, and he never recovered.It was more than ten years ago and he still dont talked with her after his parents divorce.It was a ugly one.
In another way, i have a couple of close friends, long time naturists and swingers, married over 30 years, and still strong.In the beggining, i thought their kids would turn into some type of problem children, but their kids are(now in their twenties) well behaved and human beings to be proud of.I always ask about that, their response are:Comunication and never sleps with a doubt. (Anon from Spain)
Why? Your story provoked interest and feedback. Some of it -maybe most of it- you won't agree with. But maybe a little of it will make you a better writer or appreciate perspectives different than your own. It's brave of anybody to publish their efforts for others to publicly -and anonymously- critique. You are not defeated. If you don't have the time, or ideas, to write more then that is certainly your privilege. But please don't choose not to write if you do have time and ideas just because there was some commentary that was destructive.
I am sure I am not always successful, but I do try to be thoughtful and constructive -and never personal - when commenting.
Some readers will agree with you and find your subject matter erotic. Others may not. If you got anything out of this baptism by fire is that there is broad consensus that deceit is unacceptable and not erotic. Few, if any, complained of the descriptions of sex.
Your standards are yours and you are welcome to them and to exercise and describe them. Don't expect everyone to agree or find your themes erotic. Willful deception, coercion, and willing cuckoldry are themes that seem to be the most provocative in LW.
Stick to your guns. Write want you want to write but in Loving Wives be ready for flames. I'll try to be kinder. There are others who won't. (Hell i get emails from anonymous commenters urging me to die and did so over this story) My best course of action would be to step off and not read or comment.
Think about avoiding terms like blind morality (i would not have commented more than once were it not for that phrase), enlightened, and evolved. I will ask when Lucy came back to Lue was it because she realized that the deception was wrong? With Don's acquiescence it would be hard to see the real hurt inflicted on him and the family. Perhaps if we saw beyond Lue's addiction to fucking Randy and knew more about her and her motivations comments might have been less in your face.
English
And in Lue to Lucy and Back Ch. 5
I predict that the reason Don is allowing this to happen is because . . . Don is doing Ray's missus!!
Thanks***
For the read,
Where to now?
I hope you are taking this somewhere. If it's just going to be a fuckfest where everyone lives happily ever after, just say it all in the next chapter and we can move on.
And here it is, the hubby revealing himself as a willing cuck
Like I said earlier, this transformation astounds me. I guess it is built into you, whether this behavior by a wife is something you can accept or not. Don feels he is getting an "improved" wife, but really wonder how the missus can still respect him.
I mean, didnt she wonder why he so willingly accepted her infidelity? Have any doubts whatsoever? Did she wonder if he was maybe getting some on the side as well?
just look at who favored
your story and that will tell how sick you and your story are.
even better, look at who is bitching at your story
and then you'll know you did a good job!! Gave you yet another 5
Another excellent, revealing chapter
Thanks for another excellent chapter. As to the question of where this story is leading, I think the title gives away a little too much. Still, it's a fascinating journey, and the quality of your writing enhances the reading experience.
Thanks for sharing. I look forward to the next chapter.
You know how fucked up this pile of shit is when those cum-sucking faggots bt2 & swingerjoe are commenting. "1" of course.
Hope this author dies of aids or something very soon and take those other two trannys with you.
It's a good read but for the life of me I can't understand how anyone would allow their spouse to fuck someone else. It's lost love ,respect ,honor and its humiliating to know that they desire someone more than you. Most would move on to someone who wants the and there is many out there once people know your availble. Cheaters are snakes who want the secure partner and the excitement of fucking new people but that is not a marriage. If your not ready stay single or if married but want more have some respect for your partner and divorce. She is a selfish pig who put her family in jeopardy and his family without a care of the end result. That dumb thought that if its this good here than I don't care what you do with him unless hubby is a snake also and is ducking around himself. Personally me and 99% of the people I know would tell her to pack the truck with her shit and go life's to short to put up with a cheating slut who is thinking about her married fuck buddy while I fuck her. Hope hubby gets a girl of his own so the slut will know how it feels .
No man, regardless of his confidence, would grant his wife permission to fuck another man
Unless he was also cheating or got off on that adultery.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Because as soon as she cut Don off to fuck Ray, she made a subconscious choice, that Ray would get the best of her whole her husband had to settle for second best.
Not bad ..
OK, I buy the story, but only up to a point.
In Ch 3 the author made the following comment:
"And thanks too to those who are letting loose with their condemnation of a woman who is in the process of discovering a new side to herself."
Granted,this seemed partly aimed at the hypocricy of some commentators, condemning the female party of infidelity and not the male party.
That aside, consider the following: there are many ways in which a woman can discover a new side of herself. But which 'side' is being discovered? Is the self-liberation as virtue supposed to be the cover for the infidelity that even she vaguely feels? I'm not sure what the point of the story is supposed to be.
What doesn't convince me in this story is that the husband is cast in the role of the savior of her moral dilemma by giving his approval for it even before her 'admission'. As a moral tale, I call this having your cake and eating it too. As a story, it contains a degree of moral dishonesty on that key point. It doesn't allow the woman commiting an infidelity (let alone the man who is just in the background, story untold) to really deal with her inner self, the choices she made in life, presumably with forethought, and why she decided on her own to rewrite the rules.
That, for me, would have been the interesting issue to explore.
So far, up to ch 4, all we have is the tolerant husband who's given her permission.That's a weak, a very weak, dramatic rationalization.
good story
But I would love to see Don find a sweetie on the side and maybe the wife might see just what she is doing with her lover Ray. Right now Don is second in his wife's opinion as she thinks of her lover while she is making love to her husband. She is also doing things now with her lover (like being on top) than she does with her husband. She also doesn't appear to be thinking of Ray's wife and family and what could happen if his wife was not agreeable to this arrangement. No, a sweetie for Don might get her to right her ship that is sinking as I write this. Well written tale and looking forward to the paths that people will choose to take.
Consequences???
You should be very happy that you received such astute and well written anon. comments. I agree with everything said there, and will add this: Even if by means of some extremely unlikely malfunction occurring in Don's brain (tumor, mental illness?) he were able to "accept" the "logic" of Lu(e/cy)'s actions, what about Julie? She might, just perhaps be a wee bit less logical than Don. If you want to write something better than a 2-star story (and you certainly have the potential to do so) it's now time to think about "The Consequences". No, not some fantasy world consequences, but rather what would REALLY happen. How would REAL people react? If you need help figuring that out look at the "infidelity" forums (on talk about marriage for example). Consequences...
A few more thoughts
The further we get into this story, the more interesting it becomes. The annony who wrote the comment "not bad" made several good points regarding the morality of these characters, the motivations for their behavior, and the consequences (which aren't fully revealed at this point.)
From the husband's point of view, I think his morality and motivations are very clear. He loves his wife more than anything in the world, and wants her to be happy and fulfilled. Her affair with Ray has nothing to do with him. It changes nothing about their marriage; in fact, it enhances it, because she's happier and hornier. Win-win-win for everyone -- except Ray's wife, who has yet to become part of this picture.
Lue began seeing Ray with Don's full knowledge and consent. There was nothing immoral about her actions as they related to her husband. Her major ethical failure was having sex with a married man, who was (presumably) cheating behind her back. That immorality falls more to Ray than Lue, but it will be interesting to see how she deals with that going forward -- especially as she wrestles with the feelings she is developing toward him.
A thought-provoking story!
Uninteresting narcissistic babel
All this is is a story about a woman who hates her family and husband. I was hoping for some turn around in this series but it's obvious that's not going to happen.
Just another slide down the evolutionary scale to join the swingers and other bonobos. I can hardly wait to read the pseudo-intellectual claptrap from those claiming to be more evolved. No, I can wait. I have wasted too much time and energy on this whore anyway. I'm stepping off.
Crap
Wasn't half bad until the husband became a willing cluck...
Same old... same old...
Why even be married????
A thought-provoking story!
to bad the comment came for a cum ingesting cuckold. Swingerjoe, you would love this story, while the writing style isn't bad. It's still a "blah, Blah, Blah" cuck story. These types of stories are why the BTB crowd grows everyday. Swinging, threesomes, foursomes and so on are accepted in a better light because everyone is evolved. The cheating then confessing after the fact is what takes away for the genre. The cheating itself could be gotten pass, it's hard but possible. But this and other stories like it are what's impossible to believe. Giving permission after the fact is nothing more than becoming a lovable cuckold, it takes away from the male character.
A fake premise, in search of justification.
"How could a man possibly suggest that his wife should have sex with another man?" That's obvious to all but the most dense mind: He lacks the strength and self-confidence to demand her loyalty and fidelity. The husband is acquiescing in her cheating because of what he thinks he might lose if he objects. Half a loaf is better than none. In the end, all the husband's actions are a self-serving grasp to keep some remnant of the marriage they may have once had. And his wife knows this in her heart. She married a weak man. And that is why she is drawn to a stronger, more self-confident man. Do you think Ray would share her if she were his wife? Do you think she would seek Don out for sex in preference to Ray? She was with Don for years. After a few nights with Ray he's won her body and her mind, and is taking her heart.
So here is the fake premise, and the lie: "But surely knowing that another man has been fucking his wife and she is thinking of that other man while he is making love to her must be the ultimate test of a man's self-confidence. Don aced that test - Hons.1." This is a transparent attempt from a cheating wife to convince her husband that his acquiescence is not weakness, but actually strength! So tell us, author, did it work? There's a reason why its called, "being fooled." I feel very sorry for the fools in your life, both fictional, and real. This reader is not one of them.
swingerjoe
Her affair has nothing to do with Don? WTF? She cheats.Got it? Cheats on her husband then to relieve her obvious guilt asks for permission.She lied to her husband through omisssion.Not telling hubby she fucked Ray.This story is well written but when it comes.down to it she cucked her husband.
Indeed! What will the love marks on Don's wife do to Don?
What primal instinct will be unleashed in his mind and heart. Surely the marriage vows of forsaking all others is the same "down under" as they are here. It will be interesting to see the conclusion of all this and what will happen to a trusting, pregnant wife. As I said before, I like conflict; not the namby pamby hubby that gives in to his wife. 5 *'s
Re. "at swingerjoe"
You're right, actually. I was thrown off by the switch in timeline between chapters one and two. I was under the impression that Don had given permission to (and even encouraged) Lue to have sex with Ray before it happened. I just went back and re-read the first few chapters, and you are correct. My mistake.
Yes, that changes things quite a bit from a morality standpoint. Although, given the cavalier way that Don asked if his wife was having sex with Ray, it doesn't seem as though it bothered him.
The tricky part about this story is that it is told from Lue's perspective, so we readers have no insight into what Don is thinking. I'd like to see a little more dialog between Don and Lue to help explain why he's behaving so casually about his wife's affair.
Enjoying this slut's story.
Thanks for writing. 4*
Chapter 5 is coming
Thanks everybody,
I am finding your comments most fascinating.
Re: swingerjoe's last comment, Ch5 will explain a little more about Don's view of the world.
What I do find extremely troubling is the blind moralising by so many commentators and their failure to see any possibilities in the way that people may live, other than by the strictures they would impose.
I assume (from the time separation of posting) that most of the moralisers come from the good ole US of A. We come from a land down under. We have our moralisers too, but not in the same proportion. After all, you have so many of them that you could never elect as your political leader an unmarried atheist woman living with her boyfriend (who we called 'the first bloke').
I'm not saying that Lue's behaviour was so OK that it should have been flaunted publicly, or that it wouldn't have led to disaster other than for the maturity and empathy shown by Don. But it takes all types to make a world.
Those who would impose their world view on others are the cause of most of the world's problems. It may be a long step from saying that Lue should follow your moral dictates or die of AIDS, to ISIL imposing sharia law and beheading those who won't follow their strictures, but they are on the same spectrum.
It's called intolerance.
Ps: It was a bit difficult to die of AIDS in the 1970s.
Interesting
I'm glad Lue did not lie when confronted. It shows that even though she was a cheater she has some character. I just hope that she realizes how lucky she is to have Don. In the future maybe she will treat Don to a threesome with a girlfriend or something sexy as a thank you. She should show a little justice. I'm also glad she is not into humiliating Don for her sexual kicks. Thanks for sharing a side of infidelity that is not covered as often as it should be; the explanation on how the woman starts to cheat.
@ luedon If there is Blind Moralizing it's coming from you.
"What I do find extremely troubling is the blind moralising by so many commentators and their failure to see any possibilities in the way that people may live, other than by the strictures they would impose."
I find your judgement of others who do not share your cavalier views of marriage and fidelity to be pretty off putting. We get to comment on content as well as two dimensional characters. If you read carefully, the commenters are most concerned about the deception. I guess deception is OK in your world.
If it is autobiographical at all and you and you "wife" (yeah that is judgmental on my part) played these kind of games and enjoyed it, then fine. It will make a good stroke piece for those who get off on betrayal, cuckoldry, and perhaps humiliation in future chapters. But don't moralize about a marginal minority view of marriage and behave as if it is somehow enlightened.
I have the general impression that Aussies don't take the same view of marriage and marriage vows as we puritans in the states. Hell marriage seems to be mostly about the convenient cock or piece of ass than anything else. But don't try to foist the "he loves her so much he just wants to see her satisfied" sophistry on thinking people. Or even people like me who don't think all that much.
Deception and betrayal are the issues here, at least for me. Lue can have carnal relations with a cattle prod for all I care but the deception is not acceptable.
Your descriptive language manages to "paint" a scene without an excess.....
...of descriptive terms. I especially appreciate that you refrain from an excess of exclamation points, preferring to tell the story, rather than sell me a car.
Very little technical to quibble about, so I won't.
On a personal note, I am put off by all things cuckold, unless there is a matching cuquean. Parity is important, unless one of the couple is a submissive. Many, many of the cuck stories in LW are strongly D/s works, as much as anything else. That's a shame, as it draws LW well into BDsm territory, where a great category already exists for those that find that whole thing worthwhile. I do not.
I'm waiting to see if it turns out that Don's been taking turns with someone he works with, or Ray's wife (maybe he's the one got her preggers.....) if not, my concern goes to Ray's preganant wife. Cuqueaned expecting, vulnerable and (relatively speaking and from what you've given us of her), innocent. Clearly, she's a victim here, not knowing or complicit with the shennanigans in the minivan.
So, I'm less impressed than I might be, if they had had some honesty and integrity in dealing with all those affected by the illicit sex between the two. That Don is complicit does not sugest strength of character, in my mind, but pragmatism, perhaps, fatalism. He cannot win, if this goes to a divorce action. Apparently, he loves wifey, but sees clearly she is infatuated and willing to cheat on him with Ray, indeed, she already has. who else will she add to the list before she's done? She claims having been faithful to Don, if not bored by him. Since when did boredom excuse betrayal?
He chooses not to take umbrage at this behavior, but accepts and seems to appreciate her deepened passion. OK, this will fade, will the marriage last? Will/has Don be/been willing to stay faithful, or has he been sowing wild oats and not talking, too? It would make more sense to me if he were. Perhaps his PA is a hot 23 year old that wants him and his babies. Perhaps Don's waiting for wifey to turn up pregnant with Ray's baby to impregnate his PA and move her in.....
Perhaps Don's feelings are shifting, as he sees wifey drawing away from him and towards Ray. It's already started.
It's all too prone to explosive failure.
Still waiting for the.....
"And Back".....
Sorry, but as predicted......
One page will JUST NOT ADEQUATELY EXPLAIN her journey
BACK!
And, clearly, THAT would have been the most interesting part in this saga(?).
Tis a shame that you as an author thought that a few lines of fucking in the van would suffice. Lets compare: With seats or without seats??? Which IS more 'erotic'? Who the fuck cares? REALLY?!?
Who gives a flying flipping Feburary that she couldn't cum that way?!?
What I really want to know is:
How does she get to the point where she realizes that to "FULLY EVOLVE", what she needed to do was spend half as much energy working with her apparently open minded hubby on making her marital relations better- than she did PURSUING A MALE WHO WAS EVEN LOWER THAN SNAIL SNOT on a dirt floor?!?
I think that ALL cheating is bad, but I read these stories to see HOW, WHERE, and WHY(?) people manage to survive, learn from and move on from the mistakes made when succombing to this sort of irrational lust.
That said,
"Some" cheating IS worse than others.
THAT said:
What is worse than cheating on your about to be giving birth wife? OK, no sex for 6 weeks, right? What a sacrifice! Please tell me a FEMALE author, professing to have children of her own, understands the nature of ABSOLUTE sacrifice involved in childbirth? Is this NOT among the worst kind of betrayals??
It was even a plot point in THIS story that you (she) went over to asshole's house to 'help' right after the baby came. OMG, the fucking hypocracy?!?
How this character was able to look at herself in the mirror with a clear conscience after THAT? It doesn't matter that week-willed-wanna-be-cuck hubby #1 said it was OK. Your narrator should have known it would NEVER be OK.
Some may think, interesting, because HIS betrayal is worse than hers. But THOSE are the ones who convienantly forget the culpibility of the enablers in any of/these types of situations.
So how do we come "back" from this? Surely you can see why I'm so interested to see the 'how'?
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You have thrown the ring of power in to the hellish flames of Mordor. How in the HELL could this little golem think SHE could rescue it, and return it to Sauron?
(Sorry, bad analogy. My kids made me watch that movie again last night.......)
But still......WTF???
Just saying.........
So the husband is OK.
being a living dildo for his wife while she is thinking about her lover? And he is happy because he has a sex demon in his bed? Not buying it. Later the love she has for his husband will falter and she will give it all to her lover. That is something I want the author to address next.
@starmanfive re: interesting
Thanks for recognising what is perhaps the most important part of the serial: the types of things which can lead a woman (or perhaps even a male partner sometimes) to 'cheat' on her partner.
The feeling that 'I have become nothing other than a mother to my children and a wife to my husband' may not be well understood by those who have never felt that way, but believe me, it can happen.
To get confirmation that 'I can be more than what I have become' elsewhere can be very seductive. Social norms may well say that it is not right, but that doesn't stop it from happening.
I was trying to explain the conflict that can occur in a woman's mind between that need for confirmation of myself as a person valued in more ways than just one, against the social norms which say it is 'wrong'.
I believe this is the end...
I belive this is the end, because of part 1 where we found that the husband will allow her to take the lover home and sleep in their bed...Even if the writer can continue the story...What I can say about the story, now that is finished @luedon? 1st - For what you told she never came back to Lue; 2nd - I don't see the husband as a man full of self-confidence, but yes as a man that doesn't like to be in confrontational situations: 3rd - I still belive that no father, even the wimpest, would allow the lover in their house with their children there, sleeping or not. And only a denatured mother would allow that too. If she had the allowance of the husband, why not go and stay in an hotel? Why risc some bad situation? 4th - The lover slept away from home...His pregnant wife was so blind and stupid to not question him? So I have to conclude that this couple didn't love each other...They were only accommodated with each other...And both were people who don't like to fight against accommodation, so they let themeselves flow in that life...The danger in this situation isn't the wife to love the lover, but that some day the husband finds love in another woman...Then this wife will find herself alone, because the lover will never divorce the wife to stay with her...why? Because he knows she is a cheating wife and he will not want that kind of woman for himself. His only interest is to use her as a whore for free, while at home he treated his wife as a lady...And find herself alone, finding that the lover only interest was to fuck and use her, will destroy her each day a little more...So @luedon I rate this story 3* for your writing and 1* for the plot and characters.
@luedon I find it interesting that in your responses...
you totally ignore the deception as a problem and fall back on the tired old cliches from the 70's and 80's about women finding their fulfillment outside of marriage and that the "enlightened and evolved" husband lets it happen or encourages it. As I said before, sophistry.
"Following my transformation from wife and mother to sexy and desirable (in my mind, at least)"
is an incredibly sad commentary of Lue's perception herself and a real put-down of wives and mothers who don't have to find worth in the ability to fuck.
It sounds as if this story is indeed autobiographical and you have my greatest sympathy but please don't claim enlightenment or that you have "evolved" to willing cuckoldry. If you evolve any more you will have to return your opposable thumbs.
Thanks for writing. I would give 2* for the narrative and character development and 1* for the story arc and the sophistry of laying claim to being evolved. Lucky for you I don't vote.
@seekeraz re: blind moralising
I think the difference is in the expectation that others mustn't do certain things.
(Albert Ellis used to call it 'musterbating')
We have no expectation that others mustn't do things unless what they are doing harms others. What most people do is OK so far as we are concerned.
In my story, as some commentators have noted, the biggest danger was that Julie could be harmed. To that extent, all three main characters could be criticised.
But if Julie didn't find out, and wasn't hurt by what happened, many will still say it was wrong. Maybe, but we would say on balance it all worked out OK.
Did Julie learn to deceive from mom?
Is her world and life view such that deceit and betrayal are ok? Are all things relative and do the ends justify the means? If so, I'm glad I don't have to do business with you and yours or count on you to do the right thing when the chips are down.
I'm glad it worked out alright for you, or at least that you perceive that it did.
My issues are not so much with the sex itself but with betrayal and deceit. Thank you for writing and replying far more cogently than I.
Questions
Did Don get to play outside your sandbox or was that a one way street.?
Was it just the enlightened wife that got to play outside her marriage? I thought you wrote that Don't was an Alpha? I guess your definition of alpha and mine are a bit different.Most alphas don't let others willingly let other alphas play in their sandbox.Well written piece if a bit delusional in thought process.
I can't believe I'm writing this...
...but I actually agree with seekeraz, for the most part. All three main characters are acting immorally (at least, in my version of morality), and I wouldn't want to associate with any of them in real life. But that's what makes this story compelling! Do you only like reading stories where moral and righteous people act with morality and righteousness? Talk about boring!
This site is all about immorality -- at least, as it is defined by the majority of the world. Homosexuality is considered immoral by many. Incest is immoral to most. Even anal sex is a punishable offense in some cultures. Hell, one of the reasons I like stories about extra-marital sex is its "taboo" nature. If you don't like tales of immorality, you're on the wrong site!
To respond to a few of the other comments here:
1) Why do people always ask if the husband is getting his "fair share" of pussy, too? What difference does that make? It's not a game. No one is keeping score. As long as he's cool with his wife banging other guys, who cares if he's getting any strange? Maybe he doesn't want to be with another woman. Maybe the wife suffers from crippling insecurity and couldn't handle it. As long as they're both happy, that's all that matters.
2) I also see the same comment again and again, asking why the wife in a story does things with her lover that she doesn't do with hubby. I can only respond by asking: do your wives do all the things for you today that she did when you first met?
Fun story but it's just another cheating slut wit a dope of a husband thinking that letting her act like a pig for someone else will keep her happy and yourself getting a better wife in your own bed. What a disgrace if that's what you need to allow to have a great marriage. It's not easy but being faithful should be the easy part. I'd kill myself before I had to be humiliated to be happy with my own wife. To all concerned its that hubby should get some but it might give his wife a feeling of what it's like to have him want someone else more I think it's that other girl while she is naked with him but he really is desireing another.
Skanky slut would already be gone from my life
An Alpha???
You can call an omega an alpha all you want, but he's still a lowly omega. No true Alpha would put up with that amount of disrespect.
swingerjoe
Enough Joe enough.The world knows you love a good cuck story.Just let the other people comment without your running diatribe.This is very well written if not my cup of tea.I think the author sees life through a different filter than most people but.....I'm glad I'm not Don
swingerjoe's 'cant believe he is writing this'
Just a bit further to Joe's comment about what this site does: I had thought that those reading Loving Wives stories were here because they enjoyed that type of story. Clearly, I was wrong.
I don't read Incest stories because I find the idea abhorrent. To be flippant for a moment, it took 36 hours hard labour to get my son out of there and I certainly don't want him back in. And if my husband had ever had impure thoughts about my daughter I wouldn't be responsible for my actions.
So I just don't go to the Incest stories.
Why, then, is it that people who find adultery abhorrent keep reading stories from a category that clearly is labelled in such a way that it includes stories of wives 'cheating' on their husbands?
Author
I don't know if you read this site very often but cuckold stories of which yours is one tend to take a beating in this category.Like it or not thats the way it is.I'm not saying it is wrong or right I'm just saying it is.When you right a story like this you are going to get a lot of comments like the ones you have received . I'm surprised that you are surprised at the reaction.You write well.I personally don't find cheating wives who cuckold their husbands erotic.but thats me.Grow a tough skin if you continue with this plotline and good luck No vote
@luedon Bizarre
So you thought that just because we read Loving Wives we all endorse betrayal and deceit? Some of us read as a therapy. I guess some read in better hate the cheater. Recently more and more willing cuckolds seem to relish parading around and announcing their humiliation and even a few wannabe bulls show up from time to time. It's an ill-defined hub with quite an eclectic mix of readers.
I know that you won't believe this but there are some stories in Loving Wives about wives who actually love their husbands and value being faithful over deceit. Your story thus far is about a pretty superficially drawn wife who values her cunt over her family and husband and lies and deceives and betrays to meet her basest needs. Some of us are going to find that reprehensible. Lying is not an admirable trait. Deceit is shameful to most people with a modicum of integrity. You seem to celebrate deceit and betrayal and your "husband" doesn't give a shit and lord only knows the values that Julie took away from this.
I read some of this to respond to this mindset and to those "men" who roll over or encourage promiscuity in their females. I also respond to the stupid assertions the fucking around is somehow enlightened or more highly evolved. Having been involved with a woman who valued her cunt more than her commitments I have found some relief from that pain just by responding to stories of like women. It's my hangup, I guess just as deceit seems to be yours. You can respond to me and I can respond to you.
Thank you for sharing. I'm afraid you are off the Christmas Card list and the invitation is off. I don't want to see the marriages of my friends fucked up by someone who thinks only of herself.
Bizarre from seekeraz
Fair enough.
I'll just have to be satisfied with the thought that I am providing therapy for people.
Calling Bullshit
Luedon, when you say "To get confirmation that 'I can be more than what I have become' elsewhere can be very seductive. Social norms may well say that it is not right, but that doesn't stop it from happening", you are just rationalizing. If a man said that because of self-doubt, he wanted a younger, hotter girlfriend, but that his wife should still cook, clean and care for him, he would not be tolerated for a second. He'd be a pig, an asshole and there would be much advocacy to destroy him in divorce. So why is it different if it's a woman?
There are seductions every day. Most of us don't embezzle from our jobs, even if we feel underpaid; we don't cheat on tests, even if we can get away with it; we don't shoplift, even if nobody is looking. These things are " seductive" too. Just like infiledity. But we don't do it. Cause resisting such seductions is what makes us honest people.
And, so you don't dismiss me as being opposed to cheating wife erotica, I am not. I actually enjoy much of it. But that doesn't mean I approve of it or would do it. I like war movies, but would make a lousy soldier. I like crime shows, but don't approve of crime.
I don't mind your story at all. But I think your justifications are just that. Trying to make something that's not right seem less wrong.
One more thing
I have no issue with open marriage or DADT or anything agreed to. But this story was about a wife who cheated and deceived and then the husband acquiesced. That's his choice, and I don't judge, but I still will moralise that it's just wrong.
If I go into a store and shoplift, butt he store owner knows me and doesn't call the police and eventually rolls me I can keep the goods, that doesn't mean I am not a thief. Maybe if I do it a second time with such permission, that's not stealing, but I was still a thief.
If I were Don, I would have a really hard time trusting her.
Thanks calclover
No, I haven't been a great reader of the site until recently, when I thought I might have a decent story in me. Thanks for the advice (consolation?).
Chapter five was submitted yesterday. After that I think I'll retire defeated.
To luedon
Always put a disclaimer in your stories before you tell your tale.Something like:WARNING!Willing cuckold husband.
Your rate will go up a bit because a lot of BTB crowd will skip it.
About your tale:The cheating is a MINOR thing, more like a consequence.The lies and deceit are big ones.I have a friend who caught his mother cheating, and he never recovered.It was more than ten years ago and he still dont talked with her after his parents divorce.It was a ugly one.
In another way, i have a couple of close friends, long time naturists and swingers, married over 30 years, and still strong.In the beggining, i thought their kids would turn into some type of problem children, but their kids are(now in their twenties) well behaved and human beings to be proud of.I always ask about that, their response are:Comunication and never sleps with a doubt. (Anon from Spain)
Retire defeated?
Why? Your story provoked interest and feedback. Some of it -maybe most of it- you won't agree with. But maybe a little of it will make you a better writer or appreciate perspectives different than your own. It's brave of anybody to publish their efforts for others to publicly -and anonymously- critique. You are not defeated. If you don't have the time, or ideas, to write more then that is certainly your privilege. But please don't choose not to write if you do have time and ideas just because there was some commentary that was destructive.
I am sure I am not always successful, but I do try to be thoughtful and constructive -and never personal - when commenting.
Thanks nonethewiser
Like you say, thoughtful and constructive comments are great, although sometimes a bit rare in the Loving Wives category.
@ luedon You are undefeated. Keep writing
Some readers will agree with you and find your subject matter erotic. Others may not. If you got anything out of this baptism by fire is that there is broad consensus that deceit is unacceptable and not erotic. Few, if any, complained of the descriptions of sex.
Your standards are yours and you are welcome to them and to exercise and describe them. Don't expect everyone to agree or find your themes erotic. Willful deception, coercion, and willing cuckoldry are themes that seem to be the most provocative in LW.
Stick to your guns. Write want you want to write but in Loving Wives be ready for flames. I'll try to be kinder. There are others who won't. (Hell i get emails from anonymous commenters urging me to die and did so over this story) My best course of action would be to step off and not read or comment.
Think about avoiding terms like blind morality (i would not have commented more than once were it not for that phrase), enlightened, and evolved. I will ask when Lucy came back to Lue was it because she realized that the deception was wrong? With Don's acquiescence it would be hard to see the real hurt inflicted on him and the family. Perhaps if we saw beyond Lue's addiction to fucking Randy and knew more about her and her motivations comments might have been less in your face.
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