Lue to Lucy and Back Ch. 05

The Absolute Pits

How could anyone imagine that this selfish bitch will now honour her obligations to her kids and her husband? If you seriously believe this drivel constitutes some kind of alternative morality you are a child. The husband must bear his share of the blame for his complicity in this farce.

Only one solution!

The world would be better without that triple. So my offer would have been to either execute and eliminate these pack or to sell them as breeding slaves to Africa - to give their lives a true sense.

good read

gave you a 5

Fuck the trolls this was a sweet story of discovery

I am going to say this was a sweet story of man who had the confidence to believe that his wife if given freedom of choice, room to exercise that choice and encouragement from an understanding husband would return to the sanctity of marriage.

If she keeps her word then this is truly a one off learning experience. If she does not then he should exercise his right as an evolved man to fuck Ray's wife until her nose bleeds. He should take video of their fucking including taking her anal virginity. I am sure she is unlearned in the ways of love because ray did not really teach lucy anything.

However Don learned a lot.

The man with confidence to let his wife fuck others is complete and utter bullshit.

But at least now he is at choice and has chosen to be a loser cuck of his own making. No love either way just convenience and inertia.

I know I should not be reading loving wives because it's not about wives who love in any sense.

The writing is good. The content fits the description of LW. The world and life view is just plain sad. The stroker community will love it. Others will claim it's evolved and enlightened... excuses for letting their genitals rule their lives.

Just because people don't know that they have been betrayed doesn't mean it's OK. If the betrayer thinks it's OK, they have no soul. Might as well climb back in the trees with the other bonobos.

The author may want us to believe that Lue/Lucy has returned to her wimp husband never to stray again but I don't believe it for a second. I also don't believe that she was conflicted about the morality of her betrayal. If conflicted at all it was because she was afraid she would get caught and lose her meal ticket and the roof over her head. Claiming otherwise is delusional and a lie despite her protestations.

No remorse, no recognition of harm done, NO WIFE. Don should have figured out a way to monetize Lue's proclivities. After all she is a whore, why not get paid.

seekeraz it's a story not real so chill

you're right you shouldn't read these stories because you can't reality IT"S NOT REAL!!!! GOD Get a fucking life. Gave it a 5

What's this story about?

There was a discussion in the comments after Ch 4. Among other things, the author wrote:

"What I do find extremely troubling is the blind moralising by so many commentators and their failure to see any possibilities in the way that people may live"
"Those who would impose their world view on others are the cause of most of the world's problems."
"It's called intolerance."

Others had pointed out that the author was missing completely what many of the comments were about -- specifically, about deception, not about lifestyle.

If this was a story about lifestyle, then it could have been about swinging couples, or about hot wives.

No .. this story started out as adultery (the word used in story #1 description), infidelity (word used in story #4) and the lying and dishonesty that these words imply. The fact of the story is that the wife committed adultery before the husband gave his permission.

The story is weak because the key motivational elements that drive the story simply are not addressed; or, they are justified in a very flimsy fashion.

Regarding motives: discontent within a marriage is not uncommon. We see it enough in these types of stories. I've kown people like this. But other people are discontent and resolve issues in other ways, or other people simply are not discontent. So discontent in and of itself doesn't explain or justify the specific actions of Lue/Lucy in this story.

A good story would delve into the motivations and choices. This story does not.

How does the story justify (or ignore) the theme of adultery?

Ron is written as a non-entity who simply rubber-stamps everything she does. He is 'good' because he lets her do exactly as she wishes.

Ray is a good fuck, a plot element only there in the service of Lue/Lucy.

If Lue was on a voyage of self-discovery, then why with a married man? This story has a double adultery issue. Is this the 'lifestyle' being defended?

And we have the pregnant wife in the background. How is this justified? In the comments of Ch 4 the author says .. well, it's OK because Julie never found out.

Add it all up, and what picture do we get of what's driving the story? We find the answer in the author's response to criticism that I quoted above. It more or less comes down the following: If you don't accept what I do, then you are the one who is intolerant. This is exactlky the 'reasoning' that is given to Ron: well, I better let her do what she wants, otherwise she will resent me for the rest of our lives.

The fault, therefore, is in others. That's how the behavior of Lue/Lucy in the story is justified. There's next to no doubt, msigivings, struggle of an inner turmoil. No drama. It's all OK.

It's a very weak justification .. unless .. unless the story is really intended to portray the thought processes of a self-centered, selfish individual. This is what this story seems to be about.

That's fine. That can be an interesting story as well.

Wow

This is one of the best stories I've read on this site. Amazingly insightful, thought-provoking, and thoroughly engaging. Excellent job.

I haven't read the comments yet, but I can predict that many readers will hate this story because there were no negative consequences. I would that more often than not, in real life, that is the outcome of extra-marital sex. That reality doesn't lend itself well to a great dramatic story, which is why this story is all the more impressive.

That said, I do think this story would have benefitted from more insight into the husband's feelings and motivations. It is still somewhat of a mystery as to why he was so cavalier about his wife's infidelity. If she had received his approval before sleeping with Ray, his reaction would be understandable. But to be told after the fact, and simply accept that she went behind his back, his reaction was difficult to understand.

bonnie taylor

scored it a zero if that pig liked it it had to be bad.

Not the best, but not bad

I liked the way the series developed in a logical and sequential way. I especially enjoyed the way the infidelity was viewed by Lucy vs. Ray. To Ray it was a "fantastic fuck," but to Lucy/Lue it was that and more. I guess that sums up the difference between men and women. The ending--returning to her wife/mother role--was, I thought, for the best unlike many stories in which lust conquers all.

She had emotionally cheated before they even kissed. The husband let it all go hopeing that she got what she needed and came back to him which she did but she is just a pig looking to fuck someone else with the excuse of needing to find herself. People don't like to hear he should be doing it also but it would give the wife in this case a chance to see how he felt when she desired another man more, let her be humiliated or have the insecureities that come along with that . She was very self centered and kept pushing the envelope with coming in her marital bed , being noisy , rejecting hubby and also asking him to remove seats, that's rubbing his nose in it period. Why is it we hear when marriages are getting a little routine or hard that one needs to fuck someone else to make it better. I would think if you didn't role play , do oral , try anal , fuck outdoors ,etc than try some with your spouse or if you use to do it all early on in your relationship but it slowed down than start doing it again with each other not someone else. Cheating is so selfish and unessasary if you just have to do it with someone else than divorce first out of respect to your spouse and all family members on both sides

@anon 3/14 "What's this story about?"

Have to agree with this thorough analyses. This story isn't about lifestyle or love. This is a story about a selfish woman and a husband who feels that the only way to have a happy marriage is to be a non-factor. Its main focus is a woman who is discovering herself, but there are so many other facets to it that this is an over-simplified explanation of the story. The truth of this tale is that in discovering herself she had to set her husband aside. This is not a luxury in a marriage. If two people decide to go on a journey of sexual discovery or they both decide to allow her to discover herself then that is one thing. But to have a spouse who just decides that she can do this outside of his/her marriage is a violation of the marriage vows. He accepted this though, so this situation worked out. But he set a new standard in their marriage. HER needs comes before THEIR needs. This is the attitude of a girlfriend or a friend with benefits, not a wife. In marriage TWO become ONE. Though you are two separate people who can do two separate things, both of you have to be working toward the same thing. Its like two arms on the human body. They are two separate parts of the same organism. One is more dominate than the other and has more responsibility, but in the end they both work toward the same goal. One arm doesn't go off and try to do anything separate from the rest of the body. They both work together even though they have varying functions. That is what marriage is like. This marriage was not like that.

Still gave it a 5 though. It was a good read and I enjoyed it.

If bonnietaylor and swingerjoe

thought this story was great, you can bet it's trash. It's no secret these two are cuckold lovers.
Yeah, bonnie it's just a story, but what kind of a story?

Have to Agree with Anon "What's this Story About?

Seems to have hit the gist of this story on the head.Selfish wife who justifies her actions in her mind.One last comment and I think someone else may have said this. There was no one in this story to care about.Ray and Lue were manipulative adulterers and Don't was a milquetoast wimp.Nobody to either like or care about.Sad really.No vote

We know now what philosophy inspired this story....

We know now what philosophy inspired this story: " Jonathan Livingston Seagull" and the birds freedmom...That's what the husband read...To compare this wife to a bird was wrong...why? Because even birds protect their young above everything else...This mother didn't do it, the father also...That's why she was terrified that her children had seen the pillows and the blanket in the van...
Were her children deaf? She said:"But we were pretty noisy. Don must have heard us..." The husband could and the children no?
The husband was more than tolerant...Any husband that says:I'll mark you to send a message back to him that I have equal rights.", is he tolerant? Or is he a weak man with no force in him for confrontations? Equal rights? Pleaseeee, not even with Richard Bach philosophy that was possible...The truth was he never did have the same rights as the husband...Even in the end she fucked the lover with her husband by their side. She also put the husband out of their room and sent him to the guest room, so she have the lover in the couple's bed...Lucky the husband that they haven't a dog's house, or he would have slept there!!!
About the other wife...Her husband said: I have to get home before Julie realised how late it is..." so this wife was blind, or stupid to not realize how late he got home so many days? Once I can understand...
Then they ended because: 1st - she understood that for the lover she was only an easy fuck, that allowed him to have fun while the wife was pregnant...Realy, what was she expecting? That the lover loved a cheating woman?
Then the lover had to end the affair because he had to become a loving husband and father because the new daughter had his features? No need to say that, because his wife wasn't a cheating wife!!! He already was a father...He had another son...He never exposed that son to the danger of found out about his affair...She did it all the time...
So @ luedon, you were right!!! You should have ended the story in part 4...This final part made the characters even more amoral people...Maybe the husband will think that he also is a seagull and have the same right to be free...Will his wife accept that?

The Seagull Philosophy

I'm surprised nobody has yet quoted the parody: "If you love something, set it free. If it's yours, it will come back to you. If it doesn't, hunt it down and destroy it."

Nobody knows the situations they may get into that may seduce them away from the path of righteousness. Most will undoubtedly stay on that path, but many will stray.

It seems to me, that on a site of literary erotica there won't be too many stories of those who stay on the path.

And when it comes to infidelity, Google 'infidelity statistics' to see how many do wander. There are a lot of spouses (around one-third according to some studies) who have to make the sorts of decisions that faced Luellen and Donald.

Many of the 'wronged' spouses will "hunt it down and destroy it". There's plenty of LW stories that have that theme if that's what you prefer.

Just a thought

Are there any women commentators here? (Apart from Bonnie's counter attacks.)

A final note....

It's interesting that for the last two chapters of this tale majority of the negative comments addressed deceit and betrayal on the part of Lue followed by disdain for Don's willing cuckoldry. Yet despite the large number of comments this series has garnered and the themes of those comments, the author apparently refuses to address the real hot button issue.... deceit/betrayal in her/his comments in response and focuses on the lifestyle finally the hackneyed 70's Seagull Philosophy about if you love something let it go.

From the beginning of this sad tale Lue deceived Don and Julie (via Ray) about her betrayal. She cared not for the potential hurt that might be done to others and consciously worked to keep her betrayal from being found out. Don and Julie never had a chance to "let their spouses go" because their spouses lied to them consistently. Again it is this betrayal/deceit that was the focus of the majority of negative comments and still the author's comments seem to avoid the lying and deceit and tries to rationalize them with the actions taken by Lue and Ray. The author completely misses the main ethical point. Should we assume that honesty and true openness are not all that important to the author and her/his characters? It appears so.

What we got was pop psychobabble and justification for giving in to the obsession/compulsions. I think most would have been fine with Don letting Lue explore had he known about it but he wasn't given the opportunity to choose.

The writing was really pretty good and the tale well told. Had this not been true the story would not have grabbed so much commenter attention and response. Perhaps lessons were learned by the main characters except Ray ( who could have been replaced with a Sybian so that Julie's marriage would not be damaged). Ray had no character at all.

luedon I will leave you and your stories alone from here on. You have a gift for writing and should continue contributing here.

This story reminded me of one called "My first and only affair"

it was an office romance and the sex was wild and lustful but eventually the lovers went back to their half. The difference was she had her lover's baby!! The husband never found out!!!

27 has no idea what he she or it is talking about

Believe me you can have one and only one affair. And still go back to your other half and remain faithful from then on!!! I know!!!

Thanks seekeraz

I agree wholeheartedly about the lack of morality in Lue's (and Don's) behaviour. However, I didn't set out to write a morality tale.

What I tried to explore was the thought processes which occur when a woman is feeling unappreciated and insecure with her lot in life, and when she is confronted with a situation where somebody provides a different form of appreciation. And I tried to take it beyond just the sexual, with her work being appreciated by her workmates, although I didn't explore this element.

An important part of the story to me was the time element. Although the sexual action only occurred over the last twelve weeks, the story chronicles a year's build up to that final situation. She didn't just jump into bed with this man she found so fascinating.

She knew that what she was doing was wrong. It was the conflict in her mind that I was trying to explain.

A final note...

I was driving when suddenly something came to my mind about this story...Something that no one thought: From now on the husband has the cheating wife and the cheating lover in his hands for ever!!! Believing he has proofs of the affair in his own bed, with the children sleeping in the near room, he can:1st - Divorce the wife any time he feels the need, get the guard of the children, get the house and get her fired...The wife will have that threat hanging over her...but she will think that never will happen, and if and when it happens she will be totally surprised by it...2nd - Destroy the marriage of the lover, make his wife take the children with her, get the house and also make him get fired...This man will never sleep well ever again, because soon he will understand in what trap he got himself in...This may never happen, but the threat will always be present in their life, no matter how many years pass...

Agree 100% with @ seekeraz...

I agree 100% with @ seekeraz, he touched all the controversial points of the characters and even, like I said in part 4, that @ luedon, writes very well...

@ bonnietaylor2 Did you name the lovechild "Anony"?

That would explain a whole lot.

Self entitled c*** with a conscience?

I don't like the narrator and could never have dealt with what the husband went through. But she told her story , such as it was, skillfully and gave the wherewithal for for her point of view very well.The illicit sex was hot. Those core factors are what counts with me . Full marks *****

Thanks LordSlamdawgg

Thanks for the comment on my writing, to me it is important that it should be perceived as a well-written story.

It is fine that the reader dislikes the first person character because of her morals, or that the husband character behaves in a way that very few people could understand or agree with.

But, as I said in an earlier comment, I was not writing a morality tale. I was writing an erotic story exploring the thought processes of a woman who is (quite selfishly) doing something she knows is wrong, but what she is doing is extremely self-affirming and attractive for her.

I said I wouldn't comment but I have to ask

How do you divide morality from self affirming? How do you divorce the two. Are you saying that Lue is amoral? That she has no sense of belonging or responsibility. Is it self affirming to betray those who are closest to you to gratify a mere physical desire? Does she have no sense of conscience?

You don't have to respond and I apologize for sticking my nose in again but when your comment came up in the recent comments section I had to ask.

Got you seekeraz!

It is hard to let it go, isn't it?

I tried to make my story non-judgmental. I don't know whether Lue is amoral, but her behaviour in the period of time covered by the latter part of the story certainly would be classified as at least amoral or, more likely, immoral. The question is, 'by whose standards of morality?'

To the extent that I have said "If nobody gets harmed, it is OK" the whole story (and thus me as author?) is amoral.

Good Writing Bad Read**

Did not like!! Sorry

I get it

I get the author's thought process with this story. After reading the comments I have to respect his/her stand on this story. He/she is not agreeing or disagreeing with the morality of the main character. It is just an account of the sequence of events. It is a tale of choices made, not a tale of lessons learned. The author's goal was not to punish the main character or justify her actions. This story was just a tale of the emotions and the thought process behind this woman's actions.

I must admit that I was a little put of by the immorality of the character (according to what I would call immorality). Even though I gave the story a 5 for the excellent writing my own judgements shaded the story. After the comments I can appreciate it for what it is. If a person is telling the story from their own side, aren't they going to justify their actions? If two people get into a fight, isn't it always the other person's fault? If the story is told from a first person point of view, they are always going to have reasons why they do what they do. It may be justification, but in their mind they are right for doing it even if they know the action is wrong. There are people in prison now who did the wrong thing for the right reasons. At least they think so.

I liked the story before, but I can now appreciate it more.

Thank you kindly javnor79

You have explained something and said what I should have said much earlier in the conversation with the commentariat.

I tried to explore the conflict (almost turmoil) that can go on in a person's mind between doing something which is attractive but which society has declared 'wrong'.

When I first started reading Literotica, I found a story by SusanB called Eyes Wide Open. It was set over a three-hour period, where she was seduced by a male friend who took advantage of a remark about swinging made by her husband. I wondered whether I could do as well as SusanB, and thus Lue/Lucy was created.

If you haven't read it, it is in the Erotic Couplings archive and well worth reading.

Accccckkkkk I said I wouldn't do this but....

I can't help myself.

"I tried to explore the conflict (almost turmoil) that can go on in a person's mind between doing something which is attractive but which society has declared 'wrong'."

So Lue has no internal morality, no commitment to the ones she allegedly loves and is about to betray without any sure knowledge that no one would be hurt?

I don't accept that no one was hurt by the way. You have no way of knowing what others think of as hurt so you are imposing your values, or lack of same, on them and claiming no hurt. Sophistry. It's more rationalization for purely selfish reasons. As a result, none of Lue's commitments to anyone or anything have any credibility.

For whatever it's worth, I tried and could not find any conflict in Lue's story over her decision. It was very clear that her mind was made up and that simply didn't care about honestly or consequence but was real good at extortion. Not a likable character. And as I said earlier not anyone that I would want to have to count on.

The story was not about conflict with society's mores. It was about a woman who just wanted to have it her way and to hell with everyone else. Ray was far more honest than Lue.

So your stated goal was one thing. The story did something completely different. It was a lesson of sorts but not the one you were trying to explore.

The writing is very good. The main character reprehensible.

So, riddle me this....

In Lue's mind or the author's mind do right and wrong exist in and of themselves? Does altruism exist? Do we have obligation to others? Or is it all about narcissism? If so, Lue inhabits quite a cesspool.

sorry. now i hope I'm done and can leave it and the author alone.

re: Accccckkkkk

Sure, as I said in my earlier response, what she was doing would be called immoral by most people. Presumably even by Lue in an earlier phase of her life.

I didn't ask my reader to like what she was doing, but perhaps to try to understand how it might happen.

Mental turmoil is not only between carnal drives and moral strictures, but also between the act and the fear of getting caught. That fear would not exist if the person didn't realise that other people will judge her harshly and perhaps take retaliatory action.

If you like stories where the guilty party always gets caught, read Britease's quirky little stories. He does retaliation superbly.

again, nobody to like.

Husband is a total loser, big dissapointment.

You STILL don't (won't) get it.

I don't care about retaliation or even getting caught. I care about rationalizing personal dishonesty and deceit and somehow being enlightened. Thoughout all of this you have ignored this issue and tried to hide behind the specter of societal norms and mores.

She lied. She deceived. And she's okay with it. Fine. I don't have to accept her decisions as ethical, moral, or anything less than narcissistic. This is not theory or psychological hoohah for me. Just an honest reaction to the deceit and betrayal and the attempt to minimize those by deflecting.

Thank you for writing. You have talent. And now that I know more I'll avoid your stories and characters in the same way that I don't read paeons to Nathan Bedford Forest or watch slasher movies. Not my cup of tea

re: Riddle me this

Now you are asking me!

I believe absolutely in altruism. There are altruistic things I do because I feel good within myself about doing them. I don't do them to make myself look good in the eyes of others or for any extrinsic reward.

Right and wrong are more problematic. What is wrong in one society is right in another. What was wrong yesterday is less wrong today (eg. homosexuality). What Lue did in the 1960s (pre-marital sex) was wrong according to societal norms at the time.

What I find wrongest is imposing my standards on others. If somebody wants to believe something or do something which is harming nobody else, that's fine by me.

When they do impose their standards and say you must do it my way (eg. the Inquisition) I find that to be wrong.

Lue in my story took the chance that she might have harmed others. To that extent, even I would say that what she did was wrong. In my story, she 'got away with it'. However, as Javmor79 pointed out so cogently, my story chronicled what she did, it didn't make judgements.

imposing their standards

So if I were to consider killing those who annoy me to be acceptable behavior then society would be wrong to keep me from it?
They are being intolerant in keeping me from cleaning up the gene pool.

This is the logical extension of your outlook.

re: imposing their standards

I would have thought that killing somebody was causing them harm.

Like I said, if what you are doing causes nobody any harm, I won't try to impose my standards on you. And if what I am doing causes nobody any harm, I would prefer that you don't impose your standards on me.

However, I accept that we might have difficulty on agreeing our definition of 'harm on others'.

Hi again seekeraz

Your reference to Nathan Bedford Forest drove me to Wickipedia. We don't know a great deal about your country's war between north and south down here in Australia. He sounds like a thoroughly reprehensible character.

Of course, our country was founded by convicts. We could only become more pure from there. Yours was founded by puritans?

you are free to do whatever you want by whatever definition you want to use

I am not required to accept your norm or sit on my hands. I will express my opinion but you have complete autonomy in this. I happen to think that your definition of "doing no harm" is deliberately narrow and self supporting. Well, okay then. You are more than entitled to your opinion and your actions and to the responsibility attendant on them.

Lue stole from Julie even if she didn't know about it. The theft of time, attention, and affection was real even if she was unaware. Is it your position that if I steal my neighbor's power, let them pay for the use, and because they were unaware no one was harmed? odd

Lue robbed Don of choice. He didn't know about it but she still betrayed him.

The sex doesn't matter it's the lying, deceit, and betrayal. Hell, in my opinion, Lue robbed herself of her integrity and the ability to keep her commitments.

We have to quit meeting this way unless you let your partner know about it. :)

re: re: imposing their standards

Where you first opened it up is that her cheating could easily cause him harm.
If he discovered it, he would be hurt emotionally.
If he was infected with an STD from it, he would be hurt physically.
For example HSV2 is not always prevented by condoms, and once you have that you will always have it.

Please don't steal your neighbour's power

It does them harm. They have to pay, even if they don't know.

In an earlier life, my husband was an electrician. I would get him to disconnect you.

Convicts maybe, but perhaps unjustly transported in most cases

And not every colony was puritans... in fact just Massachusetts Bay Colony. We are also a pretty rag tag bunch. As for Forest not only was he a slave holder, slave trader, and murderous swine (to be fair I spent 22 good years in Mississippi meeting wonderful people), and a founder of the Ku Klux Klan.

I also know that I will be missing some good writing but where Lue is concerned have no interest in her at all. That's me. Others will disagree.

I want to say again that this really wasn't about struggling with societal norms but with personal integrity. Had Lue worked it out with Don and Ray with Julie I would not be outraged. Having been the recipient of deceit and betrayal after a decade and having heard the same tired old rationalization that I often read here I may be touchy on the subject. The sex is not the issue... the betrayal is and there are always victims of betrayal.

Thanks again for the civil discourse. Please continue to write, you have a gift

For Tw0Cr0ws

No doubt, it was risky behaviour. Perhaps less so in the 1970s regarding STDs, but in every other way it was risky for Lue. (That's putting a totally self-centred viewpoint to the riskiness.)

What fascinates me about the exchanges I have been involved with, and particularly some of the comments to the earlier chapters, has been the condemnation of Lue/Lucy as a character in a supposedly erotic story about marital infidelity. It came as a storm in those earlier chapters. We have had more thoughtful commentary in the later chapters.

I don't see similar floods of condemnation on stories in Mature and Erotic Couplings where men become involved in extra-marital sex. Maybe there should be a Loving Husbands category. Would it attract the people who want to kill the first person character?

Thanks again seekeraz

And probably farewell.

Fair enough, that is where you are coming from.

I don't have any more stories in me like this one, so if I write anything more it will be in a different category.

I have a bit of a thought for a First Time with two young people with wise heads. Something like 'Youth is wasted on the young, but age is wasted on the old'. How would our first time go if we knew then what we know now?

I just don't know whether I know enough myself to do the idea justice. I'll have to think about it.

I Was Surprised

I tend to be mostly one of the BTB crowd but try my best to appreciate a well-told story regardless. This is a story with characters that I don't particularly agree with but it is written very well. 5* from me.

risk in the '70s

HSV2 was the big new STD in the '70s.

In the '70s there was the start of the "super strains" of drug resistant STDs, many brought back by participants in the South East Asian war games.
(Yeah, I know they were told that if they had those diseases they would not be allowed to return, but some were carriers and did not show symptoms)

criminals

The crimes that some of the people deported from England to both Australia and what became the US were "guilty" of included being Scottish, being Irish and being poor.

Thanks BuzzCzar

Yours is the type of comment I appreciate. I tried to write an erotic story. I tried to explore what might happen in a woman's mind as she gets herself into an erotic situation.

It's a bit difficult to do that in a loving long-term married situation. So we end up with characters doing something 'naughty'.

It's pretty much the same (naughty) in many other categories, with people taking advantage of others in Reluctance, men with the girl next door in Mature, and so on.

I find Incest to be the 'naughtiest' of all. It's abhorrent to me. I hate the characters. But I don't blast the author for writing the story.

So thanks for the compliment about the crafting of the story. I didn't ask the reader to like the characters. I would have liked to make my story a bit better so that people understood the characters' motivation even if they didn't like them.