In the beginning of this final chapter Caden stays quite clearly that he has this sense that things were left unresolved with Angela. And most readers would agree with that. Indeed in the last chapter we found out that in fact Caden cock was actually "normal" and all of this was part of some sort a devious manipulative emasculating scheme by a mentally deranged ex wife
It was not that Angela was a size queen --it was she was evil and that evil was directed at a person who she was supposed to love and who in fact did love her.
But in this final chapter NONE of that is talked about here. Instead Angela is in trouble as she shacked with ab abusive man and Caden rides off to the rescue
There is no conversation at all about the evil and what Angela did or why she did it and she never expresses any remorse whatsoever
Indeed this one is so frustrating about this particular author -- and why he is so overrated. Yes carvohi has some writing skill but his stories are consistently ruined by his inability to follow his own plots! This author consistently brings up issues or conflicts in great detail yet these issues often are NEVER talked about and are never resolved.
leaving a trail of debris in the path. TK U MLJ LV NV
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Anonymous08/08/15
I can't say this was your best.
A lot of it just didn't ring true. He was dumber than a box of rocks and the wife wasn't very believable at all. She calls her husband on the phone to confess? I would think anyone with an IQ of 30 or more would at least wait until they got home so she could confess in person.
I still gave it 4 stars because it was well written but the plot had a LOT of holes.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Sweet
I liked it very much. Happy healthy endings make me feel good. Thanks.
5x5
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Anonymous08/08/15
STORY MISTAKE!
All right to help the damsel in distress, to be civil with her, BUT LET YOUR WIFE BE FRIEND WITH HER IS A MISTAKE IN THE STORY!
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Anonymous08/08/15
Seriously?
Some of you found this boring bowl of tripe five star worthy?
Amazing.
He went and assaulted a man on behalf of his cheating ex? He risked prison right before his wedding? Did he still love Angela, what a horrible thought. Was it his male ego given free reign to beat a lesser man on the belief that it was justified under jungle law? Was it revenge by reminding his ex of what a good manly man he was, a man she had and threw away? Maybe it was all three? In any case, it was a poor decision to risk his future that was on track for the likes of Angela the slut/shrike. That there were no ill consequences from his actions reminds us that this is fiction.
I liked it. I'd have understood if Cade needed to vent to the ex, but by being merciful he showed he'd moved on.
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Anonymous08/08/15
The story is near Matt Moreau's "Unaccaptable Situation"
If he is civil with Angele, if he helps her in her abusive man problem to show his happiness with Jeannie the story is an excellent BTB story, because against the fundementalist BTB readers when an (cheating) ex wife learns her ex is happier as her (She lived with an abusive.....) is excellent BTB, but to be close friend of him and his wife is mistake.
The story is not similar to Cpete's "Postcards", because in Cpete's story the BTB the is the continous having sent postcards all over the World to show the cheating ex wife the change of the life.
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Anonymous08/08/15
The exact rate
FrancisMacomber's story the vigilantes is BTB story because against the fundementalist BTB readers in that FM story to help the pregnant wife for a while the ex wife learned her ex husband is much happier and she has to live together with her righteouse father later....To reach the exact rate at the behavior to the cheating ex wife the story BTB or something other as Matt Moreau's "Unaccaptable Situation".
This was like an Epilogue...His life resolution and happiness was found in part 3...Women like his Ex, always find in their way a pimp or woman beater that make them pay for the life that they are living...4* for the beating on the woman beater!!! That's what all of them deserve...
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Anonymous08/08/15
we need another Josephus !
well you said it yourself, we need some good LW writers ! there are a few good ones left on this site, but they are not posting enough ! where are the real men? your last 2 stories have been subpar.
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Anonymous08/08/15
haters but
Sugna, anonymous, zedo, it's his story, none of you have written anything, but you complain, sugna you talk about him beaten the scrap out of the woman beater, she was his wife, I would have done the same thing, he HONERED Her, that word will burn you and you know what I mean, zedo really Christianity leave him alone. And the seriously anonymous, it's his story you do not have too read it move on but you read them all, I surprised you not bashing my girl Bonnie Tayler 2 leave my girl alone freak. HB.
To live a life with hate and anger is not a good life. Caden got rid og his hate and anger and thus can live happily thereafter. Good story ending and therefore a 5!
Good ending, I love the fact that he is free from the past and able to move on.
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Anonymous08/08/15
About me
I published 11 stories on SOL and XXN and I published 1 story on Literotica too.
My every story is Cheating and Recover without RAAC!
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Anonymous08/08/15
Good connection versus close friendship
@ hansbwl I agree to get rid of the hate to be neutral to the cheating ex is the best state and with a good second wife with common kids is the top. To be civil with the cheating ex to help her (because the ex husband is happy in his second marriage) in her distress is good thing because during the process the ex wife learns her ex is happy with his second wife. HOWEVER THERE IS DIFFERECE TO BE GOOD CONNECTION WITH THE EX AND TO BE IN GOOD FRIENDSHIP!
The close friendship is near that limitless forgivenness which destroys 80% of Matt Morau's stories.
An ex wife who kept her husband's insecurity with her behavioral and cheated with this and to be close friendship..................I think if the author had written we are good connection, but not in friendship would have enogh for a good end to show he is neutral....................The author did not find the exact rate in the behavioral.
I am in such problem I am writting my 11th story's 8th chapter and I want to find the exact rate in a scene before writting in my PC. I agree it is difficult.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Thank Goodness
Thank Goodness you changed how you normally end your stories! It was however anti-climatic, but glad it ended the way it did.
Extremely well written with an excellent pace and length! It's that dam Galahad Gene can be found in a true man. Regardless of the history or consequences we must ride to the rescue of a damsel in distress, even if she is the Castrating Bitch From Hell LOL! Thanks for sharing and yes to your Josephus comment - Peace
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Anonymous08/08/15
Anpther good story carvohi. you have a gift and Im grateful to be the recipient of that gift
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Anonymous08/08/15
This installment
rated 3 to 4 stars. Not the greatest ending. Overall, I enjoyed the story and give the series 4 stars.
Maybe I can see her showing up on his door step, but I didn't care for him taking on solving her problems and taking her into his and his fiance's home for months. A smarter man would have helped initially then turned that problem over to the police and her family. Better for him, and for his relationship with his finance. I get it, Caden and Jeannie are saints and all round good people. However, that's not saintly. That is just stupid. Yet, I will concede the world does have loads of stupid people in it and it could happen.
Ex-wife and new wife becoming friends is not so hot either, unless there are kids involved and they have to interact with each other. I mean, if you let her go, how is it that she is still in your life? Forget this lets be friends stuff. The world is a big place and there no reason for us to be friends. Go find new friends!
This one damages the continuity of the relationship with Andrea and I even agree with HIV that she created too much pain for the hero without being justified. Friendship?
Come on, no one who knew what she had done could ever trust her!
But what are you trying to say? Is he just a boat without a rudder tossed about on the sea of life; where Jeannie is fair weather and Angela the foul? Or was he just a weak man dominated by Angela and nurtured by Jeannie? Either way, he is somewhat lacking in self-determination. Would he have eventually have found Jeannie if she hadn't made the first move? Maybe, I do believe in Providence, which may of course had been Jeanie asking him to take her to the Christmas party. Short of asking Caden himself, how can we know? We're on the outside and can't see in; hence the importance of Caden removing Donovan from Angela's life. It provides a window allowing us to see how much Caden has grown basking in Jeannie's love.
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Anonymous08/08/15
The ending
was rather anti-climactic. Added nothing much to Pt. 3. Good, but not up to Carvohi's standard.
you should've ended the last chapter. First, I have an ex-wife. She wouldn't come to me for help on her death bed. I don't see the purpose of adding that in. So she got her ass kicked, so what. Call the cops, go to a girlfriend's house but why come to his. You know why, his a cuckold. He didn't even know her boyfriend, why would you attack a guy over a women that did nothing but bring you down. The only thing that kept the woman beater from going to the cops was because he knew he would go to jail. What if she had been lying and you beat up some guy for nothing. Now your in jail for the whore that ruined you life. And as far as letting her stay with them....Stupid. The ending should have been chapter 3.
as carvohi's "make the man responsible, even for the welfare of the cheating spout, at all costs" story arc continues through all of his stories. I'm sad because he is an excellent writer but he is trapped in his own absurd "enlightenment" and as a result without a sea change in this themes, I don't want to waste any more time.
BTB is offensive but carvohi's obvious devotion to RAAC in his stories (and I hope only his stories) has become so predictable that there is no point in opening them any more.
YAWN
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Anonymous08/08/15
I agree..
This chapter did nothing for the story and like Huedogg2 said I too am an exhusband and mine would never come around no matter the circumstance. I treated her like she was a princes and she left after 20 years for a 'bigger' man who liked to party. Our daughter and I have survived and prospered 15 years without her and should she as in the story show up at the door like a drowned rat I would assuredly quietly close the door. And no she is not welcome at MY daughters family either. Any woman who would leave her 17 year old daughter and not speak to her for 5 years gets NOTHING from us.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Good Ending
Finally a decent ending where the wronged man is the better person. You BTB guys are just mad that the ex wasn't killed or permanently scarred.
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Anonymous08/08/15
useless
pointless, stupid addition to a pretty boring story.
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Anonymous08/08/15
My 2 Cents
I agree with Harry and Huedogg - last chapter as written was not needed. He risked arrest and a civil law suit and for what to be hero to someone who cheated lied manipulated him for 20 years. We never learn why, she never regretted what she did. And why would anyone befriend someone like that. Clearly she hurt Caden, why would wife #2 want to befriend her? This is not a case of children or keeping your enemies closer, just stupid a constant reminder of the shit he had to deal with.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Thank you!
You are one of the best and most consistent contributors to Literotica. Thank you for adding to our entertainment. I enjoy your work! I particularly liked the woman beater getting his ass kicked in the ending of today's story. And for you, who think about how he might go to jail for that, I would like to remind you that this is fiction and it is easy to serve time in a fictional jail.
As for all of that "expert advice" that you are receiving, I see only a very, very, small proportion of these "experts" writing anything. Any asshole can complain and I am sure that makes them feel good. Maybe by complaining, that is the only way an asshole can feel superior about himself.
Try complimenting someone who has tried to entertain you. That's called altruism and that has been proven to make you feel better about yourself. I feel good that I support good people making contributions, but I still have a way to go in that department, because the asshole in me, enjoys putting it to the assholes who hurt others.
I didn't think it was that bad. He didn't get revenge. Most people in real life don't. Plus, the need for revenge is a clear indication that your ex still haunts you. You have moved on when you no longer want to hurt that person. The protagonist realized that the problem was hers and he kept it moving.
Another thing people wanted was for her to regret what she did. Unfortunately, there are many people in this world who don't regret the hurt they caused. In her mind, she probably feels a sense of relief. She obviously wasn't happy with the marriage and he is better off since he left. She can have a guilt free life and he has moved on. C'est la vie.
I actually like this author's enlightenment (as palewriter called it). Life doesn't always work out as far as "justice" is concerned. Sometimes you just have to take the lessons that you learned and keep moving.
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Anonymous08/08/15
You are wrong
@ Javmor79 If the second constant mate is a wife beater, violance man and the first husband was a normal man and the ex wife learns the ex husband found the true right woman that is REVENGE.
I did overlook that, and you are right. I was thinking about revenge against the ex, but beating the woman beater is revenge.
I'm okay with it because it wasn't revenge for a wrong against him. To me, it showed that he had moved on in his life. I see it more as a noble gesture than revenge. That's just me though.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Terrible ending
Protecting the evil person ? That's not "being a man" it's being a sucker. Angela was evil. The choice is not only BTB or "Help the evil," there's always "you made your bed, now lie in it, because that's what GROWNUPS do."
Why must you always excuse the women ? I think you'd be a great writer, if you had any sense of justice at all.
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Anonymous08/08/15
Once more
I think the story's negative point this
Instead of this sentence:
"She's been a close personal friend of Jeannie's ever since, and a friend to me as well."
The author should have written this:
"We have good connection with her and she is very greatful for our help."
In this case the readers could say "They are Saints"
Now a lot of readers say their legitimate criticizm.
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Anonymous08/08/15
From an not foundementalist BTB fan
@ javmor79 You are not fundementalist BTB fan so I do not understand why you do not understand THE REVENGE IS MUCH WIDE THING AND IT IS NOT EQUAL TO SELL THE EX WIFE TO A CENTRAL AMERICAN WHOREHOUSE! If a cheater wife after the divorce lives much worse life circumtances (her she lived with an abuser man!) and the ex husband found the right woman (later the happiness with new wife and the common kids) and the exwife learns this in the home of the soon to be married pair, THAT IS BTB REVENGE.
According to the true life perspective this is the true and whole revenge against selling the ex wife or cheating wife to a Central American whorehouse.
The story's problem this sentence: "She's been a close personal friend of Jeannie's ever since, and a friend to me as well."
Fully agree with Harry, Bruce22 and Huedog. Angela was an evil,untrustworthy, scheming and abusive piece of shit that no rational person would allow back into their lives under any circumstances. She shit on Caden time and time again without showing a hint of remorse yet the fool suddenly believes her bullshit as fact and attacks someone without hearing the other side of the story.
Imagine a guy going home to his wife or girlfriend and saying "remember the asshole you used to date who was abusive to you and turned your life to shit? Well the poor guy is down on his luck now, so I invited him to move in with us for a few months and I might even become close friends with him". Somehow, I don't think any of that's going to happen.
Anyone who knowingly would become friends with someone who fucked over there significant other to the degree that Angela did here, neither respects nor really loves there spouse imho.
Is it more satisfying to give an F to a student who does not know enough math, or to to give an A to that same student whom you have tutored enough to earn the A?
Is it better to Burn an Evil Bitch, or to convert her to a decent, productive citizen?
In other words, I liked the story ... it fits nicely into Carvohi's portfolio! (Although I DO like the ANON 'Once More' re-wording!)
I wasn't going to respond, but I decided to. Some may be confused . what I really believe. Plus, I have a few days off and am bored. Lol.
I am not a BTB fan, but I have a reason. I believe that revenge against a person who cheated on you is self destructive. It keeps you from moving on. I believe in forgiveness because it releases YOU. It has nothing to do with the other person.
That said, I never said I don't believe in violence. It is sometimes necessary. If a person attacks you (physically) I believe you have the right to fuck them up. Also, I believe that there are times when you can defend someone who is too weak to defend themselves. A man who beats a woman deserves his ass kicked. If a woman shows up on my doorstep after being beaten, I may want to kick the guy's ass.
In this case, he defended his ex. He no longer hated her. He was so over the pain that she caused him that he was willing to treat her like he would treat any other woman who showed up on his doorstep after being abused. To me, that shows that he moved on.
As far as we can tell, you haven't written jack shit. Just an ass posturing as if you've done something. I haven't written anything here but I have written, and written, and written for other venues. All I can tell of you is that you are too cowardly to even assume a moniker here. Which makes you doubly a coward.
You comments are worthless and your insights worth even less.
Have a lovely day whomever you are or wherever you are, if you are.
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Anonymous08/08/15
The whole "Angela is a shrike" bit is problematic at best
And the problem is that you wrote the first chapter in first person from her POV, and none of it matches anything about her in any of the subsequent chapters. The thoughts you gave her in that chapter were of someone who loved him, someone who actually did think he was small. Since them, you wrote to that everyone else’s opinion of her is gospel and hers means nothing.
Take the size of his cock, for instance. First we have her opinion on it. Then we have his opinion. For his to mean anything, we would have to assume he’s never been in a locker room and had at least a few passing moments of comparison to others. We would have to assume he’s clueless about the size of guys in pornos. We would have to assume he’s never read on single article about the average size. In other words, we’d have to assume he’s a bit of an idiot.
Suddenly, in the previous chapter, we find out he’s actually, if anything, a little above normal size. It reads as if you decided to change your mind on the whole matter, though it contradicted what you wrote before, and didn’t bother to revise the pervious material.
You have character after character tear her apart, but without returning to her for her POV on things. Yes, she cheated on him, but I’m talking about her very worth as a human being. The first chapter presented a flawed person, someone who hurt someone she claimed to love, but still a person. The portrayal of her by other characters in the later chapters is bereft of all humanity.
And then suddenly she’s their friend. Again, you set up one portrayal of her and then toss it for another. Maybe if you didn’t write the first chapter from her POV where we know her thoughts and feeling it wouldn’t be so bad, but you did, and those thoughts and feelings just don’t agree with what you wrote about her in the later chapters.
@javmor79 You are right about revenge and forgiveness.
But in my opinion carvohi's protagonists are not learning to forgive and move on as much as they are learning to assume the mantle of perpetual victim and to never be free from the pathologies that brought them to that victimhood in the first place.
Should we render aid and assistance to those who have wronged us in times of real need and crisis... of course we should. But should we do so at the risk of violating our own consciences like his violence against Donovan Fisher, which I would suggest is no better than the BTB that you abhor. There were other solutions to the whole mess but, in true carvohi fashion, he gets a few more licks in against his protagonist and makes him a victim yet again.
I for one don't buy the Angela Jeannie best friend thing for a minute. Any why should angela live with them for 3 weeks? Here's why, so carvohi can show how "enlightened" he is and so he can continue to make his protagonist suffer.
This is not healthy thinking in the least. It is not spiritual thinking. It is just a cheap literary device to make the author feel better about himself.
(In the interest of full disclosure I had to read this installment so that I could respond to javmor79, who doesn't seem to be posturing and offers somewhat reasoned comment even when he is in error.)
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Anonymous08/08/15
What is the BTB?
@ javmor79
1. Against you are not BTB fan you have similar opinion about what is the BTB as a redneck foundamentalist BTB fans. I wrote 11 BTB stories. Yes according to the foundementalist BTB fans my some BTB stories are not too strong BTB stories, but exactly I wanted to show what is the true BTB in the XXIst Century.
Once More! When the cheater ex wife lives such life wich is much worse, (she lived with an abuser!) and the innocent ex husband lives in much more happiness than the ex wife and the ex wife learned this (here she escaped to the home of her ex husband and his soon to be wife) that is better BTB than to sell the cheater ex wife (or wife) to a Central American whorehouse! Moreover the ex husband is neutral to the ex husband increases the BTB level, because the ex wife learned that she had an influence on her ex husband...........newer psychological BTB, which is important for a woman's psyche. The 80-85% of the brain of the women is a needed thing from the circumtenses (other people) look at them with something attraction, friendiness, etc..so the neutrality means her ex husband is dead fish for her FOREVER!
We are men authors and readers and several times the authors move their women characters with man logic in their stories and readers see the woman characters as men.
2. I wrote in my earlier comment. In FrancisMacomber's story "Vigilantes" the ex husband gave provisory shelter to the pregnant ex wife was BTB too, because the ex wife learned her ex husband is happy with his new wife!
3. How he helped his ex wife in the Damsel in Distress problem was good thing, it may be he could help her with the legal system better to assist her to accuse her abuser at the Police, DA, Court system! I agree to help violated women too!
In my story the ex husband and his second wife organize the reconcilization between their common daughter and the ex wife after the abusive mate hospitalized his ex wife, so the ex wife was friendly with the second wife in the wedding of their daughter, BUT THE EX WIFE AND THE SECOND WIFE, EX HUSBAND DID NOT BECOME GOOD FRIENDS IN MY STORY!
4. Neither of my stories the ex husbands second (third) wives did not become FRIENDS AT ALL!
In my 8th story the third wife says to the first ex wife:
" "All right. I believe you were a simple, stupid, envious woman. I don't forgive you, but I'm willing to forget the dark past for the sake of the kids, as your daughters will forget your last ex," I slipped a dig about her pedophile ex-husband in."
No friendshp only common interest for the kids!
(Here the ex wife's second husband is a pedophyl, but the police is quick in my story and the ex wife was not responsible so she almost lost only the children custody (the two common daughters live 5 months with their dad's new family.) THIS IS THE BTB IN MY STORY! The second husband and the Damokles sword to lose the children custody and others things too! The BTB after 6 years to the divorce.
Did you
get Bored or something.That ending was so abrupt it destroyed the story.
what a shitty truly soap opera Ending
In the beginning of this final chapter Caden stays quite clearly that he has this sense that things were left unresolved with Angela. And most readers would agree with that. Indeed in the last chapter we found out that in fact Caden cock was actually "normal" and all of this was part of some sort a devious manipulative emasculating scheme by a mentally deranged ex wife
It was not that Angela was a size queen --it was she was evil and that evil was directed at a person who she was supposed to love and who in fact did love her.
But in this final chapter NONE of that is talked about here. Instead Angela is in trouble as she shacked with ab abusive man and Caden rides off to the rescue
There is no conversation at all about the evil and what Angela did or why she did it and she never expresses any remorse whatsoever
Indeed this one is so frustrating about this particular author -- and why he is so overrated. Yes carvohi has some writing skill but his stories are consistently ruined by his inability to follow his own plots! This author consistently brings up issues or conflicts in great detail yet these issues often are NEVER talked about and are never resolved.
I waited for the final installment before commenting. Once again, you crafted a great story, carvohi. Thanks.
oshaw
IT CUMS AND GOES AROUND
leaving a trail of debris in the path. TK U MLJ LV NV
I can't say this was your best.
A lot of it just didn't ring true. He was dumber than a box of rocks and the wife wasn't very believable at all. She calls her husband on the phone to confess? I would think anyone with an IQ of 30 or more would at least wait until they got home so she could confess in person.
I still gave it 4 stars because it was well written but the plot had a LOT of holes.
Sweet
I liked it very much. Happy healthy endings make me feel good. Thanks.
5x5
STORY MISTAKE!
All right to help the damsel in distress, to be civil with her, BUT LET YOUR WIFE BE FRIEND WITH HER IS A MISTAKE IN THE STORY!
Seriously?
Some of you found this boring bowl of tripe five star worthy?
Amazing.
Love or Ego or Revenge
He went and assaulted a man on behalf of his cheating ex? He risked prison right before his wedding? Did he still love Angela, what a horrible thought. Was it his male ego given free reign to beat a lesser man on the belief that it was justified under jungle law? Was it revenge by reminding his ex of what a good manly man he was, a man she had and threw away? Maybe it was all three? In any case, it was a poor decision to risk his future that was on track for the likes of Angela the slut/shrike. That there were no ill consequences from his actions reminds us that this is fiction.
I liked it. I'd have understood if Cade needed to vent to the ex, but by being merciful he showed he'd moved on.
The story is near Matt Moreau's "Unaccaptable Situation"
If he is civil with Angele, if he helps her in her abusive man problem to show his happiness with Jeannie the story is an excellent BTB story, because against the fundementalist BTB readers when an (cheating) ex wife learns her ex is happier as her (She lived with an abusive.....) is excellent BTB, but to be close friend of him and his wife is mistake.
The story is not similar to Cpete's "Postcards", because in Cpete's story the BTB the is the continous having sent postcards all over the World to show the cheating ex wife the change of the life.
The exact rate
FrancisMacomber's story the vigilantes is BTB story because against the fundementalist BTB readers in that FM story to help the pregnant wife for a while the ex wife learned her ex husband is much happier and she has to live together with her righteouse father later....To reach the exact rate at the behavior to the cheating ex wife the story BTB or something other as Matt Moreau's "Unaccaptable Situation".
This was like an Epilogue...
This was like an Epilogue...His life resolution and happiness was found in part 3...Women like his Ex, always find in their way a pimp or woman beater that make them pay for the life that they are living...4* for the beating on the woman beater!!! That's what all of them deserve...
we need another Josephus !
well you said it yourself, we need some good LW writers ! there are a few good ones left on this site, but they are not posting enough ! where are the real men? your last 2 stories have been subpar.
haters but
Sugna, anonymous, zedo, it's his story, none of you have written anything, but you complain, sugna you talk about him beaten the scrap out of the woman beater, she was his wife, I would have done the same thing, he HONERED Her, that word will burn you and you know what I mean, zedo really Christianity leave him alone. And the seriously anonymous, it's his story you do not have too read it move on but you read them all, I surprised you not bashing my girl Bonnie Tayler 2 leave my girl alone freak. HB.
Quite good ending actually
To live a life with hate and anger is not a good life. Caden got rid og his hate and anger and thus can live happily thereafter. Good story ending and therefore a 5!
love it
Good ending, I love the fact that he is free from the past and able to move on.
About me
I published 11 stories on SOL and XXN and I published 1 story on Literotica too.
My every story is Cheating and Recover without RAAC!
Good connection versus close friendship
@ hansbwl I agree to get rid of the hate to be neutral to the cheating ex is the best state and with a good second wife with common kids is the top. To be civil with the cheating ex to help her (because the ex husband is happy in his second marriage) in her distress is good thing because during the process the ex wife learns her ex is happy with his second wife. HOWEVER THERE IS DIFFERECE TO BE GOOD CONNECTION WITH THE EX AND TO BE IN GOOD FRIENDSHIP!
The close friendship is near that limitless forgivenness which destroys 80% of Matt Morau's stories.
An ex wife who kept her husband's insecurity with her behavioral and cheated with this and to be close friendship..................I think if the author had written we are good connection, but not in friendship would have enogh for a good end to show he is neutral....................The author did not find the exact rate in the behavioral.
I am in such problem I am writting my 11th story's 8th chapter and I want to find the exact rate in a scene before writting in my PC. I agree it is difficult.
Thank Goodness
Thank Goodness you changed how you normally end your stories! It was however anti-climatic, but glad it ended the way it did.
nicely done carvohi
Annoy.. if the story you are writing is anything like your comment then please get an editor
It was the Galahad Gene!
Extremely well written with an excellent pace and length! It's that dam Galahad Gene can be found in a true man. Regardless of the history or consequences we must ride to the rescue of a damsel in distress, even if she is the Castrating Bitch From Hell LOL! Thanks for sharing and yes to your Josephus comment - Peace
Anpther good story carvohi. you have a gift and Im grateful to be the recipient of that gift
This installment
rated 3 to 4 stars. Not the greatest ending. Overall, I enjoyed the story and give the series 4 stars.
Maybe I can see her showing up on his door step, but I didn't care for him taking on solving her problems and taking her into his and his fiance's home for months. A smarter man would have helped initially then turned that problem over to the police and her family. Better for him, and for his relationship with his finance. I get it, Caden and Jeannie are saints and all round good people. However, that's not saintly. That is just stupid. Yet, I will concede the world does have loads of stupid people in it and it could happen.
Ex-wife and new wife becoming friends is not so hot either, unless there are kids involved and they have to interact with each other. I mean, if you let her go, how is it that she is still in your life? Forget this lets be friends stuff. The world is a big place and there no reason for us to be friends. Go find new friends!
Could have ended in the previous chapter
This one damages the continuity of the relationship with Andrea and I even agree with HIV that she created too much pain for the hero without being justified. Friendship?
Come on, no one who knew what she had done could ever trust her!
Well, this is Caden's tale
But what are you trying to say? Is he just a boat without a rudder tossed about on the sea of life; where Jeannie is fair weather and Angela the foul? Or was he just a weak man dominated by Angela and nurtured by Jeannie? Either way, he is somewhat lacking in self-determination. Would he have eventually have found Jeannie if she hadn't made the first move? Maybe, I do believe in Providence, which may of course had been Jeanie asking him to take her to the Christmas party. Short of asking Caden himself, how can we know? We're on the outside and can't see in; hence the importance of Caden removing Donovan from Angela's life. It provides a window allowing us to see how much Caden has grown basking in Jeannie's love.
The ending
was rather anti-climactic. Added nothing much to Pt. 3. Good, but not up to Carvohi's standard.
Good ending for me
And an extra star for remembering the late and great Josephus
I agree with Bruce22
you should've ended the last chapter. First, I have an ex-wife. She wouldn't come to me for help on her death bed. I don't see the purpose of adding that in. So she got her ass kicked, so what. Call the cops, go to a girlfriend's house but why come to his. You know why, his a cuckold. He didn't even know her boyfriend, why would you attack a guy over a women that did nothing but bring you down. The only thing that kept the woman beater from going to the cops was because he knew he would go to jail. What if she had been lying and you beat up some guy for nothing. Now your in jail for the whore that ruined you life. And as far as letting her stay with them....Stupid. The ending should have been chapter 3.
Unneeded
This fourth chapter was unneeded. The story was complete with Pt. 03.
Really nothing new here...
as carvohi's "make the man responsible, even for the welfare of the cheating spout, at all costs" story arc continues through all of his stories. I'm sad because he is an excellent writer but he is trapped in his own absurd "enlightenment" and as a result without a sea change in this themes, I don't want to waste any more time.
BTB is offensive but carvohi's obvious devotion to RAAC in his stories (and I hope only his stories) has become so predictable that there is no point in opening them any more.
YAWN
I agree..
This chapter did nothing for the story and like Huedogg2 said I too am an exhusband and mine would never come around no matter the circumstance. I treated her like she was a princes and she left after 20 years for a 'bigger' man who liked to party. Our daughter and I have survived and prospered 15 years without her and should she as in the story show up at the door like a drowned rat I would assuredly quietly close the door. And no she is not welcome at MY daughters family either. Any woman who would leave her 17 year old daughter and not speak to her for 5 years gets NOTHING from us.
Good Ending
Finally a decent ending where the wronged man is the better person. You BTB guys are just mad that the ex wasn't killed or permanently scarred.
useless
pointless, stupid addition to a pretty boring story.
My 2 Cents
I agree with Harry and Huedogg - last chapter as written was not needed. He risked arrest and a civil law suit and for what to be hero to someone who cheated lied manipulated him for 20 years. We never learn why, she never regretted what she did. And why would anyone befriend someone like that. Clearly she hurt Caden, why would wife #2 want to befriend her? This is not a case of children or keeping your enemies closer, just stupid a constant reminder of the shit he had to deal with.
Thank you!
You are one of the best and most consistent contributors to Literotica. Thank you for adding to our entertainment. I enjoy your work! I particularly liked the woman beater getting his ass kicked in the ending of today's story. And for you, who think about how he might go to jail for that, I would like to remind you that this is fiction and it is easy to serve time in a fictional jail.
As for all of that "expert advice" that you are receiving, I see only a very, very, small proportion of these "experts" writing anything. Any asshole can complain and I am sure that makes them feel good. Maybe by complaining, that is the only way an asshole can feel superior about himself.
Try complimenting someone who has tried to entertain you. That's called altruism and that has been proven to make you feel better about yourself. I feel good that I support good people making contributions, but I still have a way to go in that department, because the asshole in me, enjoys putting it to the assholes who hurt others.
Not an exciting ending, but it still fit.
I didn't think it was that bad. He didn't get revenge. Most people in real life don't. Plus, the need for revenge is a clear indication that your ex still haunts you. You have moved on when you no longer want to hurt that person. The protagonist realized that the problem was hers and he kept it moving.
Another thing people wanted was for her to regret what she did. Unfortunately, there are many people in this world who don't regret the hurt they caused. In her mind, she probably feels a sense of relief. She obviously wasn't happy with the marriage and he is better off since he left. She can have a guilt free life and he has moved on. C'est la vie.
I actually like this author's enlightenment (as palewriter called it). Life doesn't always work out as far as "justice" is concerned. Sometimes you just have to take the lessons that you learned and keep moving.
You are wrong
@ Javmor79 If the second constant mate is a wife beater, violance man and the first husband was a normal man and the ex wife learns the ex husband found the true right woman that is REVENGE.
I would like to have seen...
a longer finishing chapter. But I guess Angela got what she deserved. 5 *'s
@ anonymous
I did overlook that, and you are right. I was thinking about revenge against the ex, but beating the woman beater is revenge.
I'm okay with it because it wasn't revenge for a wrong against him. To me, it showed that he had moved on in his life. I see it more as a noble gesture than revenge. That's just me though.
Terrible ending
Protecting the evil person ? That's not "being a man" it's being a sucker. Angela was evil. The choice is not only BTB or "Help the evil," there's always "you made your bed, now lie in it, because that's what GROWNUPS do."
Why must you always excuse the women ? I think you'd be a great writer, if you had any sense of justice at all.
Once more
I think the story's negative point this
Instead of this sentence:
"She's been a close personal friend of Jeannie's ever since, and a friend to me as well."
The author should have written this:
"We have good connection with her and she is very greatful for our help."
In this case the readers could say "They are Saints"
Now a lot of readers say their legitimate criticizm.
From an not foundementalist BTB fan
@ javmor79 You are not fundementalist BTB fan so I do not understand why you do not understand THE REVENGE IS MUCH WIDE THING AND IT IS NOT EQUAL TO SELL THE EX WIFE TO A CENTRAL AMERICAN WHOREHOUSE! If a cheater wife after the divorce lives much worse life circumtances (her she lived with an abuser man!) and the ex husband found the right woman (later the happiness with new wife and the common kids) and the exwife learns this in the home of the soon to be married pair, THAT IS BTB REVENGE.
According to the true life perspective this is the true and whole revenge against selling the ex wife or cheating wife to a Central American whorehouse.
The story's problem this sentence: "She's been a close personal friend of Jeannie's ever since, and a friend to me as well."
1* Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory
Fully agree with Harry, Bruce22 and Huedog. Angela was an evil,untrustworthy, scheming and abusive piece of shit that no rational person would allow back into their lives under any circumstances. She shit on Caden time and time again without showing a hint of remorse yet the fool suddenly believes her bullshit as fact and attacks someone without hearing the other side of the story.
Imagine a guy going home to his wife or girlfriend and saying "remember the asshole you used to date who was abusive to you and turned your life to shit? Well the poor guy is down on his luck now, so I invited him to move in with us for a few months and I might even become close friends with him". Somehow, I don't think any of that's going to happen.
Anyone who knowingly would become friends with someone who fucked over there significant other to the degree that Angela did here, neither respects nor really loves there spouse imho.
What is more satisfying?
Is it more satisfying to give an F to a student who does not know enough math, or to to give an A to that same student whom you have tutored enough to earn the A?
Is it better to Burn an Evil Bitch, or to convert her to a decent, productive citizen?
In other words, I liked the story ... it fits nicely into Carvohi's portfolio! (Although I DO like the ANON 'Once More' re-wording!)
5*
@ anonymous
I wasn't going to respond, but I decided to. Some may be confused . what I really believe. Plus, I have a few days off and am bored. Lol.
I am not a BTB fan, but I have a reason. I believe that revenge against a person who cheated on you is self destructive. It keeps you from moving on. I believe in forgiveness because it releases YOU. It has nothing to do with the other person.
That said, I never said I don't believe in violence. It is sometimes necessary. If a person attacks you (physically) I believe you have the right to fuck them up. Also, I believe that there are times when you can defend someone who is too weak to defend themselves. A man who beats a woman deserves his ass kicked. If a woman shows up on my doorstep after being beaten, I may want to kick the guy's ass.
In this case, he defended his ex. He no longer hated her. He was so over the pain that she caused him that he was willing to treat her like he would treat any other woman who showed up on his doorstep after being abused. To me, that shows that he moved on.
@Anonymous "Thank you"
As far as we can tell, you haven't written jack shit. Just an ass posturing as if you've done something. I haven't written anything here but I have written, and written, and written for other venues. All I can tell of you is that you are too cowardly to even assume a moniker here. Which makes you doubly a coward.
You comments are worthless and your insights worth even less.
Have a lovely day whomever you are or wherever you are, if you are.
The whole "Angela is a shrike" bit is problematic at best
And the problem is that you wrote the first chapter in first person from her POV, and none of it matches anything about her in any of the subsequent chapters. The thoughts you gave her in that chapter were of someone who loved him, someone who actually did think he was small. Since them, you wrote to that everyone else’s opinion of her is gospel and hers means nothing.
Take the size of his cock, for instance. First we have her opinion on it. Then we have his opinion. For his to mean anything, we would have to assume he’s never been in a locker room and had at least a few passing moments of comparison to others. We would have to assume he’s clueless about the size of guys in pornos. We would have to assume he’s never read on single article about the average size. In other words, we’d have to assume he’s a bit of an idiot.
Suddenly, in the previous chapter, we find out he’s actually, if anything, a little above normal size. It reads as if you decided to change your mind on the whole matter, though it contradicted what you wrote before, and didn’t bother to revise the pervious material.
You have character after character tear her apart, but without returning to her for her POV on things. Yes, she cheated on him, but I’m talking about her very worth as a human being. The first chapter presented a flawed person, someone who hurt someone she claimed to love, but still a person. The portrayal of her by other characters in the later chapters is bereft of all humanity.
And then suddenly she’s their friend. Again, you set up one portrayal of her and then toss it for another. Maybe if you didn’t write the first chapter from her POV where we know her thoughts and feeling it wouldn’t be so bad, but you did, and those thoughts and feelings just don’t agree with what you wrote about her in the later chapters.
@javmor79 You are right about revenge and forgiveness.
But in my opinion carvohi's protagonists are not learning to forgive and move on as much as they are learning to assume the mantle of perpetual victim and to never be free from the pathologies that brought them to that victimhood in the first place.
Should we render aid and assistance to those who have wronged us in times of real need and crisis... of course we should. But should we do so at the risk of violating our own consciences like his violence against Donovan Fisher, which I would suggest is no better than the BTB that you abhor. There were other solutions to the whole mess but, in true carvohi fashion, he gets a few more licks in against his protagonist and makes him a victim yet again.
I for one don't buy the Angela Jeannie best friend thing for a minute. Any why should angela live with them for 3 weeks? Here's why, so carvohi can show how "enlightened" he is and so he can continue to make his protagonist suffer.
This is not healthy thinking in the least. It is not spiritual thinking. It is just a cheap literary device to make the author feel better about himself.
(In the interest of full disclosure I had to read this installment so that I could respond to javmor79, who doesn't seem to be posturing and offers somewhat reasoned comment even when he is in error.)
What is the BTB?
@ javmor79
1. Against you are not BTB fan you have similar opinion about what is the BTB as a redneck foundamentalist BTB fans. I wrote 11 BTB stories. Yes according to the foundementalist BTB fans my some BTB stories are not too strong BTB stories, but exactly I wanted to show what is the true BTB in the XXIst Century.
Once More! When the cheater ex wife lives such life wich is much worse, (she lived with an abuser!) and the innocent ex husband lives in much more happiness than the ex wife and the ex wife learned this (here she escaped to the home of her ex husband and his soon to be wife) that is better BTB than to sell the cheater ex wife (or wife) to a Central American whorehouse! Moreover the ex husband is neutral to the ex husband increases the BTB level, because the ex wife learned that she had an influence on her ex husband...........newer psychological BTB, which is important for a woman's psyche. The 80-85% of the brain of the women is a needed thing from the circumtenses (other people) look at them with something attraction, friendiness, etc..so the neutrality means her ex husband is dead fish for her FOREVER!
We are men authors and readers and several times the authors move their women characters with man logic in their stories and readers see the woman characters as men.
2. I wrote in my earlier comment. In FrancisMacomber's story "Vigilantes" the ex husband gave provisory shelter to the pregnant ex wife was BTB too, because the ex wife learned her ex husband is happy with his new wife!
3. How he helped his ex wife in the Damsel in Distress problem was good thing, it may be he could help her with the legal system better to assist her to accuse her abuser at the Police, DA, Court system! I agree to help violated women too!
In my story the ex husband and his second wife organize the reconcilization between their common daughter and the ex wife after the abusive mate hospitalized his ex wife, so the ex wife was friendly with the second wife in the wedding of their daughter, BUT THE EX WIFE AND THE SECOND WIFE, EX HUSBAND DID NOT BECOME GOOD FRIENDS IN MY STORY!
4. Neither of my stories the ex husbands second (third) wives did not become FRIENDS AT ALL!
In my 8th story the third wife says to the first ex wife:
" "All right. I believe you were a simple, stupid, envious woman. I don't forgive you, but I'm willing to forget the dark past for the sake of the kids, as your daughters will forget your last ex," I slipped a dig about her pedophile ex-husband in."
No friendshp only common interest for the kids!
(Here the ex wife's second husband is a pedophyl, but the police is quick in my story and the ex wife was not responsible so she almost lost only the children custody (the two common daughters live 5 months with their dad's new family.) THIS IS THE BTB IN MY STORY! The second husband and the Damokles sword to lose the children custody and others things too! The BTB after 6 years to the divorce.
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