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Sexualizing Rape

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by Anonymous12/19/15

A Great Look!!!

Thank you so much for writing.

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by Anonymous12/19/15

Fear of consequence is the strongest deterant for deviant behavior. Family members of victims need to start executing their own justice on sex offenders that are slapped on the wrist by the justice system.

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by TheUninitiated12/19/15

You've perfectly voiced what I feel about the whole thing and the reason I've stayed away not only from the non-con section entirely but also other such stories in various other sections.
What I look for is 'full and informed consent' of the female which is much clearly expressed when the stories are told from the female's POV and it is about their own desires rather them being the object of the male desire. I'm male BTW.

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by Anonymous12/19/15

sexualizing rape

rape exists without porn.
The only trigger needed for rape is a need to overpower another. That can happen in business and doesn't require genitalia or penetration. But we're not talking mergers and acquisitions here where one company rapes another by stealing talent are we?
rape is not a sexual act, regardless of what the lawyers will tell you. The argument that the victim, "enjoyed it" defeats the claim of rape. If the person enjoyed it, there's no filing of a charge, so get off the idea of sexualizing rape.

Hollywood creates a myth. Older women don't have to do anything. Look at the number of young acresses who left the industry for any reason. Eve Plumb comes to mind. here's a woman who could have had many roles but understood she was a middle-class business woman playing a role, nothing more. The ones who remain actresses until they're 90 fulfill roles but hold no power over anyone. Only you hold power over yourself. The biggest problem I have with Hollywood is that everyone, it seems, believes it. If you see it in a movie, it must be ok. Just because a starlet let's her bra straps show while she's wereing something off the collar, of a spaghetti strap top and a three inc strap doesn't mean it's fashionable. It's a scene in a movine, and that's where is should stay. So the villain rapes a woman in a movie. That means it's good, correct? Even if he dies in the end? I guess it's good. Look at all the gangers and wanna-bees with their pants around their knees. It's a prison thing and they want to advertise they've been in prison? Puke. But I don't see Bitch movies of wanna-bees getting raped with a 2x4 by a gang of lesbians, but that just wouldn't be cool for Hollywood, would it?
If you get raped, and you sexualize it, you didn't get raped. You fight rape with everything you have. Submitting to the act does not end the fight, nor does it mean you enjoyed the moment. Under threat of a choke, a knife or a gun, is under duress. Allowing it to happen means you've lost control, you've lost power. Come back. Fight. Prosecute. Regain control.
A rape fantasy is a permitted act, if it becomes reality, and still fails the test.
I may have digressed through this, but I hope it's clear that you can't sexualize rape.
I'd be interested in knowing how many rapists read your work before heading to the street. If it's even one, are you guilty by complicity?
I hope you find your reality and understanding soon.

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by talis1312/21/15

Bravo.

Great analysis. And I want you to know that I was not forced to read your posting:)

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by Armphid12/21/15

Thought Provoking

A considered piece of writing and one I'm glad I have read. This is something I have struggled with as well and kept out of my writing here due to the uncertainty I feel surrounding it. There are a few stories I want to write but haven't because of this issue. Thank you for presenting it and assisting in weighing the topic.

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by Anonymous12/27/15

A thank you

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate that you as an author/media producer are willing and keen to raise this issue with the readers.

It's important sometimes to step back from the fantasy and look at it's place in the wider context of our reality. Nonconsensual Hypnosis is my Fetish, but I don't for a moment pretend that it's something that should be acceptable as a part of our world. These ideas are harmful, and this is something that all of us as readers/consumers *should* try to keep in mind.
I think even a quick note like this is what marks the difference between someone reinforcing a harmful idea in reality, and offering an escape from that reality.

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by Anonymous01/11/16

Well thought out. An honest look at your part in this subject until you copped out with the drop in the river analogy. I'm a firm believer that every drop counts. That river is nothing but a collection of drops. When the drops don't show up, what happens to that river? I haven't read your works. I'll need to ponder whether or not to do so. Will my extra view number add support to that theme. I do find it positive that you say your 'perps' essential get theirs for their deeds. To answer your fundamental question, yes, your stories do contribute to the rape culture. Those who would rape won't see the moral of the story while their eyes and hands are glazed over to the physical scenes.

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by GigglingGoblin01/12/16

Thanks for your comments, everyone. Great response here. I'm responding to the most recent Anon with this post, as they said a couple things I'd like to address.

First, I agree that every drop matters. My intention was not to discount that drop, only acknowledge its insignificance. I didn't want readers to think I had delusions of grandeur. All I can do is, well, what can be done.

Second, I don't wholly disagree with your opinion. There probably are people reading my stories who only read the physical parts. That said, there are probably also many people reading them who don't understand rape culture or the importance of a culture of consent. My belief is that educating them is an achievable goal. We won't accomplish it by ignoring them—that just guides them to their own personal echo chambers. I think it's better to write the stories we write and use them to expose the readers to important concepts.

Not every person who fails to acknowledge rape culture is a spittling alley-dweller, born evil and determined to stay that way. The vast majority of rapists are friends or family of the victim, after all (meaning that they probably *see* themselves as normal people; *not* that they really are). Their twisted ideas do not form in a vacuum. By the same token, they do not *exist* in a vacuum. Those ideas can be challenged. They can be exposed to other ideas through a fictional medium before their ideas become fully entrenched.

I'm not sure I'd recommend my stories to you. Mainly because you may be after something more cerebral than what I have to offer. If you are going to read them, I recommend starting with some of my later works. "Shifty Characters" is probably my best work to date when it comes to deconstructing the "hypnotism = consent" mythos. My earlier stuff is...more problematic. One of these days I need to go back and fix some of that.

Anyways, thank you for your thoughtful comment, and I hope you see this so I'm not just talking to myself like a crazy person! :)

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by AzurePeepers01/15/16

Research suggests no relationship between rape-porn and rape

Rape is an absolutely horrible crime, and the people that go out and commit rape are horrible, disgusting pitiful excuses for human beings. There should be no question about this.

However, actual rapists should be distinguished from people that merely fantasize about non-consensual sex. There is a world of difference between fantasy and reality. Moreover, I think most people, even rapists, are aware of this.

I have a very hard time believing that rapists don't know that rape is wrong. I strongly suspect that the problem is that they simply don't care.

Have you ever been to one of those sexual harassment training seminars? Going in and going out, ever single guy there, especially the giant, misogynistic, disrespectful douche-bags, are going to be rolling their eyes. Everyone already knows what generally is and is not sexually aggressive and disrespectful. Some just don't care. Same thing goes for the more severe crime of rape (and often it's the same people). Incidentally, the only reason they have those things is so management can cover their asses in the event of a lawsuit -- it doesn't change a thing and everyone knows it.

While I readily accept that rape is a massive problem, I don't believe the narrative that media, including violent, non-consensual pornography, is somehow convincing rapists that it's okay to go out and assault someone.

Know how you spot the people likely to be rapists? Don't bother looking for the ones who consume violent porn. Look for men with entitlement issues, the ones who think they are God's gift to the world and that they can do no wrong. There is a certain sort of person that refuses to acknowledge that anything they do could ever be wrong. They know that rape, as an abstract concept, is wrong. However, they believe that they, themselves, are awesome. For them, it's different, it's okay. Why do you think you keep hearing about star athletes committing rape? They've been told (and often shown) one too many times that they're special and that the rules do not apply to them.

All of the above is personal observation/speculation -- let's introduce some facts into the discussion. The real question is whether access to pornography that depicts non-consensual acts increases the probability that someone will commit rape. According to the Wikipedia article, "Rape in the United States" (yes, I'm using Wikipedia as a source, go ahead, beat me with a wet noodle), incidents of rape have declined over the past two decades. Yes, there is very serious, chronic under-reporting of rape, and the actual numbers almost certainly do not reflect the true number of sexual assaults. However, the same chronic under-reporting was going on that whole time, so the observed trend is likely accurate.

However, over the past two decades, those same two decades where the number of sexual assaults went down, the Internet came into being. The sheer volume of art and literature depicting violent rape fantasies available on the Internet as a whole is staggering. Further, that quantity increases dramatically every single year. If access to pornography depicting non-consensual acts increases rape, we should have seen a massive epidemic over the last two decades relative to the previous two decades. That does not appear to have happened. This strongly suggests that access to erotic art and literature depicting rape does not increase the frequency of actual rape.

Before the wide-spread prevalence of the Internet (this was 1991) there was a researcher by the name of Kutchinsky that studied the relationship of pornography and rape as a whole. He didn't specifically single out violent or non-consensual porn, but I think his research is worth mentioning because it's a published study rather than just an observation. Around that time laws became looser as to how and where what porn was allowed to be sold over the counter, and he found that as the laws loosened, there was no corresponding spike in rape. While the question we're interested isn't about porn as a whole, but rather rape porn, it would follow that as laws loosened the availability of rape porn would increase too, and the result would still hold: increase in availability of rape porn does not lead to an increase in rape.

In 1999 two more researchers, Diamond and Uchiyama looked into the same question in Japan where laws were also loosened over time. This is Japan, where porn is, well, Japanese. In case you're not familiar -- some of the kinkiest, craziest non-consensual porn comes from Japan. They were able to reproduce the result of Kutchinsky: Increased availability of porn, including extreme porn, does not lead to rape. In fact, their result was even more dramatic. They found that as access to porn went up, rape went down.

So, in summation, availability of rape porn, including non-consensual erotic literature, does not generally lead to an increase in rape.

One final thought: Do you know what a violent, disgusting guy with control issues is NOT doing when he's jerking off to the most violent, disgusting rape porn on the Internet? He is NOT out raping someone.

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by GigglingGoblin01/16/16

A lot of that, like the "rape has gone down since the internet came to be", is pretty blatant correlation talk. The last study sounds interesting, though! Thanks for your comment!

Also: Where the HELL did I leave my noodle? It is making these online discussions absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.

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by Anonymous02/08/16

I am by no means a expert

I have heard somewhere that at large, most rape in the real world is not motivated as an attempt to satisfy one's sexual urges or fantasies, but an act to exert control on another through sexualization. That said, the sexualization of nonconsent in media is probably less of a contribution towards the occurrence of rape then the use of demeaning sexualized language to diminish a person's positions (lines like 'your just my little cum slut' which show up frequently in porn media). I will say that for porn media, I quite enjoy your work as it fits within the aspects of nonconsent that I'm most aroused by which is the loss of control to the pleasure of sex. In many ways sex is an act of submitting to one's primal urges, and to me a story that displays that is more likely to catch my attention. It is a delicate balance to display that fantasy of an outside influence getting a person to submit to thier desires despite resistance and to hit upon the painful reality of a person loosing thier free will to another.

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by Twentyseven03/08/16

Honesty

An author who honestly depicts rape and its after-effects is doing the world a service. What enrages me are the dishonest stories published on this site, and encouraged by the weasel words Non-Consent and Reluctance, which pretend that women enjoy the experience and secretly welcome it. Well adjusted mature men should have no problem recognising these stories as the fantasies of psychopaths who cannot engage with women other than on a sexual basis, but there are many poorly adjusted men and a great number of impressionable boys who cannot make the distinction between these fantasies and reality. You will not convince me that attitudes towards women are not influenced by violent porn.
Then there are those who fall back on the freedom of speech defence. To them(including the operators of this site) I say that every freedom comes with it the responsibility to exercise it appropriately. Just because you have a legal right to publish harmful material does not mean you are obliged to do so. How about a bit less freedom and a bit more responsibility?

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by Anonymous03/12/16

Thank you!

Thank you so much for making your drop count. I'm glad you got it out there and I struggle too with reading some of the stories because they definitely do cross the line and I think not a lot of people do realize that people do have after affects. I think people are just so numb to it because it's so common it's not as big of a deal almost to people because we hear about it all the time and then they think life goes on but speaking from personal experience myself it doesn't go on. I myself was molested and I do enjoy bdsm stories but sometimes I question if I should feel bad but that's what I like being submissive. Thank you it's really great to get another very similar perspective!

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by GigglingGoblin03/18/16

Okay so I just want to address the most important question here: I did not write "this crapper". I don't think it's a crapper! I think it's a splendid first effort! :)

Twentyseven, I think you nailed it. I especially hate how the "Nonconsent/Reluctance" tags are used to weasel out of the scary r-word. It helps obfuscate an already "complicated" topic (and I say complicated only because sites like this help it stay that way). It's shameful. Like I said, I'm probably going to write a whole other essay just about that.

And to the most recent Anon who doesn't talk in all-caps—thanks for your comment. I don't think you have anything to be ashamed of. What one chooses to fantasize about has absolutely nothing to do with one's moral center. Practitioners of BDSM are largely very nice and healthy people who just have a particular kink. I agree that fiction needs to recognize that this sort of thing has aftereffects, and none of my characters ever exit these stories unscathed.

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by Anonymous03/24/16

Another Woman's Opinion

Thank you, GG, for opening this topic for discussion. As a woman who regularly reads noncon, especially with multiple partners, I can now freely admit it's because of my early (prior to kindergarten) sexualization by a group of teenage boys. It was many, many decades later that I realized how much that had shaped my subsequent sexual behaviors. I'm exploring my evolving sexuality via Literotica's vast resource of alternative opinions. (If you're afraid to learn something new or have no interest in the real-life biology/neurology, go ahead & skip to *** where I get back to why I read noncon.)

One result of early sexual experiences is, because of the power imbalance, the child never learns that withholding consent is an option. It literally never enters their mind that they could say "No". This is the reality in which their development takes place.

Notice I made no mention of gaining pleasure from any of these events, in fact, the opposite is true. If they don't know they can say no, then they seldom know to voice their discomfort or pain. They may not be aware that pleasure is possible. The best for which they can hope is that it won't hurt as much as usual. The expectation of pain prevents any normal lubrication hence leading to more pain which reinforces those negative expectations. This apprehension prevents the formation of the usual pleasure neurological pathways within the brain.

That being said, a common fantasy element,the abnormal production of lubrication (flowing down her legs, forming puddles beneath her) is extraordinarily unlikely given the lack of any positive pathways existing to induce its secretion. Merely physically manipulating the sexual organs instead triggers anxieties leading to dyspareunia or painful sex. Neither Bartholin's Glands, nor Skene's Glands hold more than a few drops. Most lubrication in the vagina comes from the increased blood flow of arousal. No arousal, no increase in blood flow, no lubrication. (Sorry to burst that cliche, guys.)

Then there is the "Magic Cock Syndrome" (MCS) whereby more pounding by a cock makes the pain go away as if by magic. Another reality check here, if it starts out by hurting, more of the same hurts more -- a lot more! (Really!)

***So then given all of that biology/neurology/real-life-stuff, why would I be drawn to painful noncon? First, it acknowledges the pain I experienced for almost 50 years. Second, I avoid the bogus MCS stories looking for those more realistic, hoping to find ones where the girl is able to fight back, or overcome her attackers. Third, I always hope the rapists themselves will change, realizing what they've done is wrong & try to compensate their victim. Finally, I'm looking for methods by which those so abused grow & recover their own sexuality. I need all the help I can get. :D

Thanks again, GG, for the chance to share.

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by Anonymous03/26/16

Just a hint

@AzurePeepers
You wrote that if porn would influence the rape numbers, they should have skyrocketed since the internet (porn) has evolved. You are right, but then you went on wrong, saying it didnt happen. It didnt happen in your country maybe, where the society has certain boundary, where women already have a certain freedom to fight back and the publich rather supports this fight against rape culture. Yes, i know it is far from perfect, but it isnt like women are totaly helpless here. What i want to point out is, if you look closely at countries, where such freedom doesnt exist, your first assumption sadly appears to happen. Look at the top 10 countries who consume porn :
1. Pakistan
2. Egypt
3. Vietnam
4. Iran
5. Morocco
6. India
7. Saudi Arabia
8. Turkey
9. Philippines
10. Poland

You realize that rape in these countries is rather seen as a "shame" for the victim(!) and if you check statistics, i m sure you will find out, that porn consuming truely increased the rape numbers, and also how women are raped: less in the hidden, more groupwise, since those, who would vow against it are being less.

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by Anonymous05/04/16

Found this piece via the Readers' Choice Awards.

As someone who writes in the NonConsent category too, I found it interesting and well-written. Thanks. Just a couple of thoughts come to mind for me:

1. Plenty of porn, erotica and kink is fuelled by things we know "in daylight" to be dangerous, wrong or harmful: "interracial" porn often thrives on and feeds stereotypes directly connected to racist violence against and criminalization of black bodies, for instance; "incest" porn normalizes, romanticizes and fantasizes about the "consensuality" of a pervasive and highly destructive variant of sexual abuse; *most* porn and much "erotica" subsists on somewhat sexist fantasy-versions of both male and female partners; and so on.

That these things are rightly taboo is precisely their attraction, and that perverse side of us doesn't go away with repression, it just bleeds out into the groundwater of the culture in other ways; an example that always comes to mind for me is those creepy "Love's Baby Soft" ads from the Seventies whose slogan was "innocence is sexier than you think," clearly built to exploit incest fantasy among other things. Stuff like that gives me the willies more reliably than the existence of any variant of porn story. No matter what kink we're talking about, there's a certain something to be said for having the fantasy "out in the open," as it were, as opposed to dressing it up as something else (which is the likeliest alternative).

2. People who think "just stop having that dirty fantasy, you freak" is a viable option do not understand how sexuality works (and/or are massive hypocrites). And I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who are fine with every other kink on Lit but profess to find the NonCon category uniquely evil, as those people are revealing that they don't know as much about rape culture as they frequently seem to imagine they do.

3. That said, there *are* people out there getting off to non-con porn (or other kinds of porn) who are exactly the kind of people you don't want to think about as getting off to your porn, particularly if you're a basically progressive sort of person. I have no doubt that the "interracial" readership contains many an actual racist, that there are abusers past or current who read and comment on the "incest" stories at Lit, and that there are various sorts of misogynistic scumbag reading the NonCon category. Of any porn at any time, there will be someone consuming it at some point who does not really understand the crucial difference between fantasy and reality. Rarely can any one story claim credit for bad things these people do in real life, but it's all part of the matrix that produces them; knowing that porn may not make rapists *likelier* and that someone with the inclination to rape will find other pretexts and influences in the absence of porn is all well and good, but you still have to live with being a part of that matrix. Indulging a dark kink in any way comes with that pricetag.

4. Having said that, "honesty" is not necessarily a virtue in depictions of rape. Basically, for a reader who really does have a rape fetish: they *don't* need the rape to be sexualized to get off to it. There is a whole netherworld out there of rape porn that celebrates the act as pure violence and domination and has no pretense to any kind of pleasure for the recipient. That's the truly disturbing stuff and likeliest to appeal to real-deal rapists (it also seems to have a curious appeal for real-life victims of rape, for reasons which I'm sure are of psychological interest but that I don't pretend to understand). Literotica's decision to forbid stuff like that and focus on ravishment fantasy -- with all of its admitted fantasy cop-outs -- is not, as the detractors would have it, a distinction without a difference.

5. It is of course not possible to write "happy" non-con without reifying some form of fantasy belief about rape, since in real life there's no such thing as "happy" non-con; about all you can do with that is focus on those fantasies that appeal to you, try to infuse your stories with some amount of humanity despite the problematic content, and be as clear as you can with your reader and yourself that this *is* fantasy. The rest will have to take care of itself, you're rolling the dice that way just like any other producer of any form of porn.

Thanks for the interesting essay.

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by GigglingGoblin05/05/16

Wow, the People's Choice Awards? Neat!

(okay, let's see if I can get line spacing to work)

Thanks for your thoughts on this piece! Your thoughts could probably be their own essay, but here are my thoughts:

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1. The first paragraph is so, so, tragically true. I mean, incest is slightly more complicated—personally, I have this whole thing about victimless crimes—but is the majority of it a big sexual abuse fantasy? Absolutely. I think you make worthy points in the second half, too, for the record.

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4. I'm not sure I agree. Sure, there's the rape culture purely based around pain and hardship, but I really don't think we should just discount the effects of a culture where rape is romanticized and fetishized. It may not actually drive rapists, but have we considered that it may drive our societies' sympathetic, sometimes even comedic view of rape? A lot of these stories really vindicate the "asking for it" narrative, for instance, while many others thrive on how a guy who can be dominated doesn't even deserve help because he's better off there.

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Ultimately, I think having my work fetishized to the "wrong sort" is inevitable. As such, I try to leak my beliefs into the story and tone, instead—to avoid being part of the Young Frankenstein-esque "no means yes, yes means anal" mentality. Kinks are what they are, and I'm no saint on that road. But as long as the story continues to espouse contempt for such acts and sympathy (and respect) for its victims, I think the story can have a positive impact on how those kinks are perceived—not as something to necessarily be ashamed of, since that's a no-win scenario, but as something to remember as fantasy first and foremost.

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by Unrighteous05/20/16

I hope

I hope that most people here are American or from the US, that way I would understand the inability to separate fact from fiction (super hero movies for adults, sorry can't understand that). I also hope that most people are quite young so that I can understand the need to take offense for someone else.

The idea that a rapist does not understand that what they are doing is wrong is to me absolutely unfathomable, or at least the idea that we can teach someone to not rape. As I'm not from the states I'm not sure how you talk about the issue, but I have a hard time believing that it is not a shunned act. I'm not saying that it's impossible to make a person who is in a risk of committing that act not do so. These possible rapist must have more problems than just an inclination to commit this heinous act.

On another note, I as a male who read non-con especially of the lesbian sort or with a female as the subservient. Find myself in the real act of sex not enjoying it if my partner is passive, that doesn't mean that my body would disabled my ability to continue, just that my enjoyment is severely decreased.

Anyhow rape culture is such an odd idea to me - here I'd say rape is the second worst crime one could commit just second to sexual abuse of children. If the west had a rape culture I'd be hard to describe what bokoharams (spelling?) culture is. Please stop diluting words, a sexist culture I would understand.

Sorry, I wrote this on a touch screen, so it's all a mess. I hope I offended someone for writing while not on a real keyboard. We are living in pecuruios times.

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by GigglingGoblin05/21/16

Putting aside the little jabs about "offense", rape culture is actually pretty pervasive—and pretty easy to miss if you're a guy, no offense (really, no offense meant—things just aren't as obvious when they aren't right in your face). Obviously, it varies depending on where you are in the world, but don't take for granted that you don't have it. I would have assumed my state was one of the better ones on this front, but in some ways it's one of the worst.

Moreover, making statements like "Well, at least it's not as bad as it is in actual terrorist factions" just seems pointless to me. Okay, great, we win the "Not as bad as Boko Haram" Award! Now let's start making this world a safe place to live in.

Everyone agrees that rape is bad. But when it comes to actually enforcing that basic rule, suddenly everybody's seeing gray areas. This woman clearly lied, she probably wanted it, she probably just changed her mind afterward, this isn't even real rape, etc. There's some good reading you can do on it. Look up the recent Oklahoma hullabaloo. Look up "When a Woman is Raped in Rural Alaska, Does Anyone Care?". Look up the Jian Ghomeshi trial, especially the essays some of his victims have written about how he got away with it. There was a case with a cop recently who raped numerous poverty-stricken black women because their status and race meant nobody would believe them if they spoke up (and several still did and were predictably ignored before he finally targeted someone with more options than he realized). Hell, look up what happened to the women who tried to accuse Cosby or Woody Allen. The son of Allen put up a great piece about it lately. That's all in the US, because the US is what I know, but my friends in Europe have never given me any impression that rape isn't a problem there, too. I know it was a problem in Chile when I visited.

Discussing the impact of rape porn and reluctance porn on rape culture is all well and good, but getting bogged down trying to work out if rape culture is actually real is a waste of time. Of course it is. Saying it isn't because everyone agrees rape is bad is like saying racism is gone because we have a black president.

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by HaruhiSuzumia11/23/16

How I feel as a guy

I think there's a not-insignificant group of people like me who really enjoy the mind control fantasy. Romance in real life is pretty scary. There's this weird guilt that being attracted to someone is to be a "pig". "Non-consent" removes that feeling of guilt. It feels like since they're the ones coming onto you, it's ok. They're implicitely consenting by "raping" you. It makes me feel like I don't have to feel guilty for enjoying sex since I'm the "victim".

Which puts me in a weird spot where I really dislike nonconsent in general since there is a lot of male power fantasy stories with guys who force themselves on everyone, yet enjoy immensely those stories where a character is slowly seduced as he fights and fails and ultimately gives in to pleasure.(Usually these stories end with very vanilla-like sweetness, the "rapist" shown to be benevolent and the two becoming a couple of sorts.)

I guess what I'm saying is that if there are those who self insert as the rapist, there certainly are those who self insert as the victim,.(as the victim is free of guilt and of fear of rejection)

Thoughts?

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by GigglingGoblin11/23/16

Yeah, I think a lot of people (myself included) favor the submissive role in the story. That said, I really don't like stories where the rapist turns out to be really an okay person. That feels like it goes a bit beyond the sexual fantasy and into a more "realistic" story—and when it does that, we have to recognize that the story is utterly unrealistic.

Basically, I don't like it when the story treats the rapist as being legitimately justified. That's why certain stories especially bug me—like the ones where the rapist, usually a guy, is an "unlucky soul trapped in the friend zone", or is "punishing a tease", or is proving that "nerds" really are "entitled" to sex. I need to get the sense that it really is a fantasy. When it starts to feel like it represents the author's sincere belief, I get uncomfortable.

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by HaruhiSuzumia11/27/16

Oh, for sure. I can't handle those kinds of "justified rape" stories either. I meant something more like "giving in" somehow.

Like a young merchant, off to find his fortune, runs into a succubus , a fearsome creature who could suck the soul out of him. But her voice was so sweet, her touch was so soft, and her eyes were so mesmerizing, he was putty in her hands.

The next morning he wakes up in her arms. Turns out the stories weren't true, and they become traveling companions; or something like that.

I guess after writing this, I realized that I need to feel that the character "gave in" rather than being forced, that if he didn't "give in", his "rapist" would stop.

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