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@FD45
Even if I wanted to buy that he owed them something, and I'm not going to bother looking back to see if he was leaving them "destitute", I will NEVER accept that he has to ask forgiveness.
The most I will give is what I think I said in my original comment: He goes back and she gets on her knees, BEGS his forgiveness and gives him a generous post-nup.
Forgiveness
In order to require forgiveness, an act has to be seen as 'wrong' by a wronged party. In order to receive and accept that forgiveness, the party committing the act has to accept that what he or she did was wrong.
ReedRichards has set up both these conditions in this story. My concern with the story (as with so many stories in the LW category) is in the way the forgiveness was processed. I cannot understand how a wronged spouse can simply say "I forgive you" without understanding what motivated the behaviour.
FD45 mentions recidivism. It is more likely to occur if the motive for the original wrong has not been explored by those involved.
In this story, ReedRichards didn't tell the reader what motivated the 'cheating'. And his husband character didn't seem to want to find out.
Lue
Sorry Bro
You pushed it to far by having Max ask for forgiveness. Sorry...bad story.
Shrug
He stated that she was on WIC and food stamps. The entire piece was written on the very rarely explored lower half of the economic bell curve. Most of these stories are in the middle or upper middle class neighborhood, where a man can take off work at a whim, pay for private eyes, and divorce is a inconvenience more predicated on loneliness than finances.
Here, he was their breadwinner and he bolted. I would like to believe that your reticence on looking back was based on laziness and not the fact you might be forced to concede that he might have done anything wrong.
It was clearly written. He was their paycheck...and he left. The difference between this guy and Wes in my Reconciliation story was that Wes' wife had a social network to help support her. This woman clearly does not.
Most readers like their cheating stories 'clean': He is 100% right and she is 100% wrong. Well...life is a bit more complicated than that and this story discusses that.
No wonder it is scoring so low. It dares to point out that the guy may have acted even SLIGHTLY rashly and improperly. (Note: I do not say he KNOWINGLY did this wrong. He was clearly surprised that his actions may have resulted in bad results. But collateral damage doesn't care about your motives. Nor am I positing that there is a moral equivalence. What she did was worse than what he did. But that doesn't make his action 'right'.)
I am always amazed at how loathe so many people are to apologize. It is air. It smooths over rough feelings, justified or not. Quick Fact: Doctors who apologize for messing up a procedure are far less likely to be sued for malpractice. Doctors who 'never did anything wrong' generally wind up paying someone.
There might be a lesson there...
This isn't an important enough story to argue over any more though.
@FD45 Re: shrug
You're right, this story isn't important enough to argue about, but you seem to keep missing my point:
I'm NOT saying that he didn't do anything wrong, just that she CHEATED the ultimate wrong in a marriage, and that SHE'S the one who should be apologizing not him.
To me, it's like John steals Adam's car and wrecks it, but Adam was responsible for the death of John's brother. Does John owe Adam an apology? To me, no.
I get the point
However humans are not quite rational. Resentments are like lice: they breed.
I put it down to the pastor pair trying to smooth emotional waters. While I agree with them a bit more than you, I certainly understand your point. I just do not 100% agree with it.
For example, a common trope in the 'he cheated and now she is going to cheat on him' is that two wrongs don't make a right. One does not tend to measure 'wrongs' in 'do you owe or do I owe'. It is 'I have this pain you caused and I resent it.'
This is quibbling about angels dancing on a pin. I do understand your point and am even slightly sympathetic to it. However, as a matter of reconciliation, pouring oil on troubled waters, and just getting past a lot of nastiness, EVEN IF MY WRONG WAS SLIGHTER, I would still offer an apology and make it as heartfelt as possible.
It isn't that big a deal (he is not beating himself with sticks in remorse after all). And if it leaves a lot of emotional garbage behind...so much the better. Because what he wants is to be with this woman. Why? Obviously she made him happy. He wants to be happy again and he feels she can do it. If he has to say words to get there, that isn't such a high price.
SHE has to act.
Sorry FD45 - sbrooks103x's point related to the cheating wife absent remorse if valid.
The cheating slut absolutely should have apologized and been on her knees for the next decade. She cheats, does not feel she has to apologize and the clueless husband puts her back on the dole. Male characters like this idiot are the main reason so much of the cuck/wimp shit gets posted in this category. Unfortunately, the moderators are to scared to do anything about it. Stupid is as stupid does.
The skank may feel bad about getting caught but she is very happy to get the meal-ticket back in the house. She's a cheater and will cheat again but she will be more careful not to get caught (again). If there is anyone to feel "sorry for" it would be the kid in this tale. Once again, FD45, you got it wrong.
The last two anonymice
Apparently know more about the characters in this story than the author does.
Maybe they could provide us all with stories in which the characters do what they want them to do rather than what ReedRichards has them doing?
Lue
Writer's are people too...
So once their characters breathe they don't belong to the writers alone. We expect readers to bring themselves to our work, and complain when they don't. Like some others, I feel the injured party owes no apology. It is the PC influence of "basketball justice". Somehow we feel that the provocateur escapes while the respondent goes to jail. Sorry guys, it doesn't wash or resonate. Tough shit to pastor's wife, as real life doesn't and shouldn't work that way!
missed something
The husband reminds me of 3rd husband of real life serial cheater exposed on Facebook profile of dearbornmt@yahoo.com.
He knows she has had numerous affairs but stays with her
No explanation of why wife seduced the guy. I am guessing first husband left her for cheating as well. He is not sure if she cheated again?????
Literally vs Lit
As in its not Literally Erotica, because they are stories, written by real people(authors) about fictional people (characters) in situations creative intrigue. So just because the author doesn't write "I'm sorry." Doesn't mean it was never said - it was a choice (RR did have her on the porch crying).
I liked the Forgiveness of Sam/Sam. And for those having a problem with Dick (the temptation was overwhelming) before his variation of "are you happier with her or without her." He's had 5 months of Max crying in his free beers, he was pointing out the obvious. I gave it *****
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