Best Friends Forever

Feeling Flat

I don't have any issues with your writing from a technical standpoint, but for substance it's a different issue. Whenever I read your stories I am left with the same feeling of "why did I waste my time reading this?" There is plenty of character development, but it doesn't go anywhere. It's like watching a t-ball game where everybody plays and everybody wins because nobody keeps score, and when the season is over everybody gets a participation trophy and goes out for pizza and ice cream. Your stories just leave me feeling flat. And no, I didn't read the story again here, I read it yesterday at storiesonline.

I think this proves..as some have said .. that MM is mentally ill

this is REALLY vile. I mean it is BAAAAAD.. it is extreme .. cruel... way over the top and Masochistic . Think about this --WHY would anyone write 30 pages of this guy getting beaten down every other page?

does anyone think this this kind of shit is erotic? hot? a good read?

you write shit about weak men and whoresluts

this kind of man sucks and really isn't a man.

Same vile shit you always write

Thirty pages of drooling mindlessness. Is the the only story you know? We've read it before, a hundred times. Jesus Christ, man, try to have two original thoughts. We've seen this one. Think of a different one.

oh my god- 30 pages of this masochistic never ending shit storm

Did you notice how many MM stories have a wife or girfriend named Claire? --a LOT. I have to agree-- why would anyone think 3- pages of this guy getting fucked over every other page is something anyone would WNAT to read

1 James sees / catches his wife and best friend from elemntary school fucking. Claire and Rodeny have been fucking since she married Jimmy

2 through this awful story MM does what he ALWAYS does.. tries to make the cheaters seem reasonable and caring and NOT self centered and self absorbed. This trait appears in every single one of this authors stories and it's deeply annoying ridiculous trite and pedantic. Throughout this awful story we see thus mindless idiotic dialogue appear time after time after time...

Jim, please, you and I have been best friends for a long time. And, as strange as it might sound to you, I don’t want to lose your friendship.”

“Jim don’t take this wrong. But Claire and I were meant to be together.

3 the cheating couple and of getting married because the ex wife finds out that she's pregnant... and they have a daughter. This bothers jimmy immensely for some reason which we don't really understand exactly why -- it just seems to be something that the author can use to to torture the main character infuriate the reader.

4 even worse is that the cheating couple actually has the balls to ask jimmy to be the child's godfather. Even more humiliation

5. Jimmy drinks too much ...gets fired ...ends up being a skid row alcoholic bum

6 of course it turns out that the sad sack loser of all time is actually the biological father. Not only does the cheating couple lie about this for six years but when they tell him .... the ex wife uses this information to ensnare him back into their lives so they can engage and more humiliation and disrespect

7 then he loses his legs saving the cheaters and his kid and now even hookers wont fuck him .. and ALLL of this happens in the first 14 chapters

just an awful pitiful badly done story

Read the first couple of pages on the other site

Just enough to know this is the same old story, repackaged and bloated up to 30 pages. One of the worst writers in the history of the world produces a 30 page monument to his ineptitude. This writer has the imagination of a one celled creature. Less! How many times have you written this story? It's pathetic, as if you're caught in a time loop, writing the same old story, over and over again. I've come to the conclusion that you aren't capable of writing anything else. I pity you.

Nobody goes through this much self loathing without being mentally deficient.

MM, you've written a lot of weak, lily-livered male characters but this one takes the cake. Wishy-washy doesn't even come close for this guy. Every damn time someone wanted to talk to him, he'd sit down and listen, then be terribly hurt by what they said. This was ridiculous. Truly one of the worst you have written.

Don't waste your time

There are thirty pages of maudlin hand wringing and stupid people going over the same ground we have seen a million times from MM. This is the worst story he's ever written in a long line of horrible stories. Trust me, it's the same story, just brain killing and stupidly long.

go away

Trash that doesnt even DESERVE to be described. I could go on pointing out the flaws, the contradictions but at the end, it still ends up bein trash. I sincerely hope that you actually get to live the life of those poor bastards.

Exactly what I espected

When LSD said MM was the tenth best wordsmith on the site, I thought I'd give this a try when I saw it. Having tried to read three of his stories before, I was highly skeptical. My skepticism proved well founded. This was impossible to read without feeling the urge to vomit.

Maybe if I had a really tough case tomorrow and wanted to go in as mean and viscous as a barbarian axeman, MM would be the go to guy. This just makes me want to slap someone's little sister. The writing is not good, about a mistake per paragraph, and the characters are so shallow and one dimensional that they are nearly invisible. As I said at the time, this author doesn't belong in the top 1000.

Little man who is bad in bed, check. Wife who loves him but needs more, check. Wants him to be okay with her being a ho, check. On and on, the soul numbing creepiness continues. I gave up after five pages and sincerely regret going that far.

I won't waste my time again.

A Bloated , Indulgent Pinata of Story Begging and Baiting the Reader to Bash Away at It and Yet ....

I'm going to acknowledge from the get-go there are serious faults in this story, but largely leave it to more motivated critics then me to point them out. There's a story here. This author has bonafide skills, undeniable work ethic. I sympathize with the very worthy themes of painful redemption, self-knowledge, forgiveness and atonement.

I admired the timeline of homelessness and intentionally or not Matt took no shortcuts detailing the mental illness of the main character. It's infuriating to read in fiction and frankly I think many readers can think of many 'losers' irl who have no clue of cause and effect, quid pro quo and don't just ignore ...they slap away helping hands of those with altruistic motives. They burn 2nd, 3rd,4th chances with no thought of future.

Matt Moreau is many things , but he's not an idiot. You hear idiots raving on street city corners raving every day and walk by them without a thought. Many comments hear will reflect the anger of readers who invested consideration and didn't get the dividend desired. This story has dialogue with rhythm, sharply drawn characters and the previously mentioned eminently worthy themes.

There's a worthy story here often lost among superfluous and repetitive scenes. Matt Moreau needs ( and deserves ) a sympathetic and erudite editor . Will he accept or ever want that kind of help ? Many fans of Matt M. will just sigh and hope he realizes the value of assistance faster than the main character of this story. I skimmed a LOT of this story. But the verdict is this is provacative and bears hallmark of much effort.

Thanks go out to Matt Moreau on that basis.

Gone for years and this is what you bring us?

I've been reading on this site for upwards of five years, and I have to say, you have a unique position here. You're the writer people love to hate. You rewrite the same story, with little variation, over and over. Did the Bitch that caused this hurt you that bad? To quote almost every woman in every story who fucked over a man for his best friend who has a bigger duck, makes more money, and can't seem to stop obsessively rubbing in his face, GET OVER IT!

I honestly tried to read this, but failed miserably. I just started skimming about every third page, and gave that up. I have no idea how it ends, and you couldn't keep me vested enough in your characters to give a damn.

You seem to be a competent writer overall, but please, please, please, surprise us all and write something different!

Thanks for one thing, though. I haven't seen a Harry In VA comment for quite a while. I think you brought him out of retirement.

Lordwankpuppy is a pretentious twit

God, get over yourself, wanker. I used to think you were semi-intelligent. Now I'm convinced you're just another arsehole in love with the sound of his own voice. You and this dickhead writer make a fine pair. I hope you choke on your thesaurus. Both of you prats need to piss off.

'Viscous', Kimi ?

That's laying it on a bit thick, Isn't it?

Lue

@kimi1990

Feeling a bit misquoted here. First there's a HUGE difference between Matt Moreau the erstwhile novelist and the quality of the very, very best short stories authored by him . I'm going to cut and paste my exact comment for clear up misunderstanding.

Matt Moreau is probably my shakiest entry, ergo his bottom placement on the top 10 list. Yet I just can't ignore his consistent and courageous theme of forgiveness and endurance for what most of us with iota of testosterone flowing in veins would deem unpardonable is worthy of provoking thought if not agreement. Add " An Unacceptable Situation " to the list. No, its not a template for life but worthy of contemplation? Absolutely.

10. Matt Moreau ( great hooky intros, fine literary middlegame ( very spotty endgame lit-wise I admit) is a wordsmith . Best stories to attest to this 1) Ego , 2) The Barkeep. Yes he has god-awful clunkers , but that's part of the growth process.

Please...

Stop writing, I cannot stop skimming because I do have a morbid fascination with your wimps. It is kind of funny, you can write really good but it is mostly manure.

What's wrong with viscous?

"The watery cavern was a creeping mass of viscous tentacles, enormous staring eyes and globular heads." Sewell Pleaslee Wright. Maybe I'll get a chance at you in court someday, Luedon. I'd love to show you a viscous tentacle or two.

first, homeless people

aren't as sorry and weak as yet another of MM's males. Reading MM,, you already know the theme is cuckold greatness. if you don't hate the husbands, friends and family members in a MM story then you're a cuckold yourself. LOL

sorry hes still alive

i thought this author had died. well maybe someday.

o well

u havent changed after all these years.told wife u wrote another story. told her how it would prob end and she looked at it. and all she did was cuss at me, and ask why i still read peoples stuff i already knew how it turn out.

@LSD My apologies

Certainly don't mean to misquote. To me, there is no difference between MM the erstwhile novelist and MM the short story writer. Both are full of writing mistakes and they are both the same story. One is just longer than the other.

Don't mean to give you offense by misquoting. You did put him at ten, though. Not 100 or 50, you put him at ten. You said it was shaky, yes, but that, to me, means he could have maybe slipped to 15. You pretty much slammed Randi. Compare her story over in group to this and see how bad this really is. Be fair and honest, now. There's no comparison That's my opinion and you have the same right to yours. Again, my apologies for misrepresenting you in any way.

Another vomit inducing story from one of the worst writers in Literotica. Saw 30 pages and knew I'd never finish this serving of drivel. Only good thing about this story is the fact I over ate at Christmas, and after reading one page, of this MM effort in verbal diarrhea, I was sick enough to void all the excess food and drink. Maybe one day MM will try writing a different story, but in the meantime I can always use his efforts to stop from feeling bloated, about all they are good for.

@kimi1990

Regarding Randi, I said her stories were journeyman quality. I know A LOT of readers will disagree. When I use that term it's not an insult per se , it signifies that her stories (in Loving Wives ) had decent to good structure yes I do think she panders to Loving Wife demographic as a whole . The endings hew to moralistic conclusions and are predictable . The best authors will insert odd twists and reversals of fortune.

She has VERY nice touch with erotic scenes, competent with dialogue, setting and characters. But as I said before I'm 55 and think her appeal is lost on me and skews to younger demographic, or at least younger at heart. I don't recall ever being impelled to reading a story of hers twice . That's just my verdict for better or worse, not meant to be definitive . Ok I'll toddle off to Group Sex as you suggested and see her latest.

That's a genre I rarely visit. Phaser and spooey shields going up.

1*

30 pages of MM shit? No, thanks.

I'm one of those who disagree

I disagree with Lordslamdawgg about both. This guy is the fucking garbage collector of this site and BR1958 is one of the best to ever write here. I'm just sorry she's gone. Maybe that one Kimi1990 mentioned will be a good Christmas present, just a little late. I'm with you on the group thing, but if she wrote it, I'll give it a shot. I couldn't get past the second page or this crap. JPL

Piece of disgusting trash.

Posted by a disgusting piece of human trash.

WTF

Jeez MM, did you let your pet monkey write this ??? ----- 30 pages wtf. Now I've read many of your stories & whilst you may not be the best author, you have never been the worst but this rubbish is really really bad. The writing style is just so different & not in a good way, I gave up after page 4 as it was too difficult to read easily & pleasure reading is all about enjoyment. It deserves a minus score, unfortunately I've had to give a far higher mark. 1 *

Ah dear, Kimi

I can imagine you with viscous (Concise Oxford: 'glutinous, sticky') tentacles.

But I haven't come across many glutinous sticky barbarian axemen lately.

Maybe get Randi to write a story about one?

Lue

THOSE FULL CIRCLES TAKE A LONG TIME IN RETURNING

and they are not exempt from angles, TK U MLJ LV NV

typical wimp queen

complete shit - 1*

I am glad you finally

Ran out of paper in the loo.
I don't think we could survive a 2 roll story

Ignoring the whole pathetic loser stuff...

..there are a few of insurmountable problems with this story:

1. The cheaters believe it's OK 'cuz they were meant to be together. BUT, they started the week after the honeymoon. C'mon, how do you start a long-term affair with your husband's best friend (or your best friend's wife) the week after the wedding? You're either the most evil, immoral people in the world, or just completely clueless as to what 'normal' behavior looks like.

2. Claire says she feels no guilt because they're 1 big family. But she hides it for 3 years because she knows it's wrong and that it'll destroy Jim.

3. On page 1 Claire says '...we're just part time', and 'I really do love the guy.' On page 2, when Jim tells her she has to give Rodney up, the answer is a flat 'No'. She obviously doesn't care a bit about Jim at that point -- no effort to save the marriage. And just a few pages later, Rodney is the love of her life.

4. It seems that the 'discovery' happened immediately after the 3rd anniversary sex marathon. Yet she says he pulled out and couldn't be the father.

Taken together, these problems become fatal flaws -- the story just doesn't make sense.

If Rodney and Claire are really meant to be together, then don't marry Jim, or annul the marriage, or get a divorce, or bring it out into the open immediately. I get that any of those tacks would be painful, but not as painful as dumping him when he discovers the affair which has lasted for his entire marriage.

And, as a minor point, Jim gets half a million dollars, puts it all into a trust for his daughter (who doesn't need it), and then spends the rest of the story wishing he had enough money to buy a truck with a lift and hand controls. He got the money to compensate for the loss of his legs, but then doesn't use it to do so. Stupid.

So the story ends up being about a stupid schlub and two evil people. And we're supposed to admire the schlub for forgiving the cheaters in the end?

No Love

He was right, Claire didn't love him. She didn't love anyone. She was incapable of love. She was a narcissist. Rodney, was just a rich guy who loved money. He also liked getting over on his friend by fucking his wife. He dishonored himself and Claire. There are certain things that you cannot come back from in life. Dishonorable acts, criminal acts and other immoral acts define a person as an undesirable. Some of these people may be charming and attractive. They may be intelligent and wealthy. Unfortunately, their character is always there and will NEVER change. Character is made up of genetic tendencies, environmental influences, and when you are an adult the most important ingredient: free will. You choose to be the person you are. Some choose impulsively without thinking where their choice will lead them. Some make calculated choices. Some make choices that are self destructive. While cheaters are indeed bad people to have in your life in any way, shape or form you cannot let others dishonorable behavior dictate your life and your choices. This story was really a long, drawn out examination or two dishonorable cheaters and one prideful fool. It was like being dragged through the mud behind a pick up on a rocky road - nasty and nothing good or enlightening comes from it.

For Those Who ( are a bit bored enough to ) Care

The rest of my Loving Wives Top Ten Wordsmiths lists ( as opposed to Storytellers ) can be found in comment section of https://www.literotica.com/s/tradimento-italian-fo r-betrayal by imhapless. Other( and potentially superior ) lists and contributions on wordsmithing and it's import are made by FD45, kimi1990, Luedon, Crkpekker , HDK, javmor79 and more known LW personas.

3*s

Talent and creative story. Matt Moreau can spin the yarn.
Unfortunately, as usual, his male protagonist is lacking pride, male assertiveness, problem solving skills. Then M.M. drops part of a building on him 😈,lol.
Didn't care about any of the characters. Did enjoy the fantastic yarn. Gave you 3*s.
Sure is a good thing these people exist in California.


AMerryman

This story was different only in that

MM really confused his POV's after a few pages. It was first person and narrative in the same page and even paragraph. MM in the past has been a technically adequate writer, but this one fell off the tracks. The POV mix-up was very confusing. Not confusing was the main character. He is the only protagonist MM has ever written. He's an underachiever, sexually and economically, with a wife and friends that shit all over him and claim they love him. He whines and suffers, this time for 29 pages, causing the reader to also whine and cry. He wastes huge chunks of his life, wallowing in his own misery and never emotionally recovering from betrayal. This happens in EVERY tale MM posts. If you've read one, you've pretty much read them all. If you've read them all, you're a better man than I.

God you suck...That was 28 extra pages of bullshit

1

Not even a 2, go to the last page and give this bitch a 1

1star

Complete pile of shit.

Quick settlement

So if he was going to put all the proceeds into a trust, why did he go for the quick settlement instead of the large payout? That's contradictory and just dumb.

The adulterers can seek forgiveness if they stop, not if they continue.

Stop

This bitch needs to stop posting shit, like god damn take a hint 1

damn good read

if you cant cope with this story f**k off and a read a penthouse
To write 30 pages that read this well.
My Congrats keep on writing its riveting, and raw like life.

Utter depressing bollocks

As if, totally depressing horrible characters way to long and devoid of any justice redemption or feel good factor. Crap

A Novel

I'm not a fan of MM's stories but he is a good writer. ( Yes there is a difference between writing skill and story line). This merited a five because of the writing, not the characters. Wimpy, fucked over guys are tough to take.

Well written as usual by @Matt Moreau, but...

Well written as usual by @Matt Moreau, but this is a sad and depressing (as some comment already said) 30 pages story, with the wife and his BF being the lowest characters we can find in history, and him being the lowest weak and wimp character. But that is almost always the usual in this writer stories. I understand that he writes about how he sees the world, and I think he must keep doing it, because that's what he likes. But I think he also understands why most of the readers can't cope with his choice of characters. The world is filled with these kind of characters, but their behaviors is very different from these stories. To reconnet with these low life characters, it's an impossible task, and it wasn't today that @MM surprised us with a different kind of story...Being so 1* for the plot and characters...

MM does it again...and again...and again

I agree with most comments made to date. MM *really* needs an editor and could benefit from a proofreader. This MM-formula story is bloated, for sure. All the characters are self-absorbed, yet the protagonist is the only one who seems to be criticized for it. You can hear the adulterers saying "We're all selfish - get over yourself for expecting more!" In fact, betrayal turns MM's protagonists into selfish and self-righteous people, implying that selfishness is a communicable disease.

Yet, there is a writing talent here. The fact that he engenders so much strong feeling among his readers is testament to his ability. That alone places him above most other writers. If he weren't good, we wouldn't care about his flaws. Like not being able to decide whether he's writing American or British English.

Among all the things in this LONG story, one that I found jarring was the casual mention at the end that Rodney and Claire are Catholics. How or when did this happen? Was Jimmy Catholic? Why didn't Catholic teaching on adultery or marriage never enter into the story at the time of the divorce? If faith wasn't important (or even irrelevant), why mention it at all? Finally, it would have given another dimension to the "let's have a three-way marriage with your best friend I've been screwing all along" proposal.

Is there a moral here?

Well, I found some:
1. if you don't accept with good grace your role as a cuckold, your life will SUCK!
2. your hotwife and her bull are your friends, they love you and want the best for you.
3. don't be a wimp and fucking move on (I'm probably wrong on this one.)
4. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. (This works well for ALL the characters here.)

One major problem with story...

Lifetime medical cost from the settlement! seem to be forgotten in latter half of story. Should've gotten a better lawyer.

Break even

I'd give a 5 for the story but a 1 for the characters. The only good and faithful one was Ann

Did you really write this in regard to Rodney?

"his strength of character"