This is just another one of those cases where our society is all fucked up with man-made dogma. That a woman cannot fuck but one man and one man (vice versa) is a totally fucked up system. If the man-made dogma had not governed this behavior in this story, at least one lawyer would have had to go to work to earn a living, and the child involved would not have had the obvious heartache she experienced of her Mommy and Daddy not living with her. We call ourselves a "Christian nation", but then we don't follow those principles espoused in the book that we use for our guidelines in life. What a fucked up existence and society!
Not one of your best series,in fact I was rather disappointed.Why would they make someone who could have cost them a lot of money(and who was having psychiatric treatment),head of a commercial loans department?
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Anonymous12/28/05
THIS ISNT REAL
..as far as reading material...i have to admit it is very well written.As far as believable...NO WAY. First a woman who did what she did..not only to her husband..as if thats doesnt happen all the time anyway. But to do that to a child is totally unforgivable, and unrealistic.
My opinion...but i still think your style is well done.Its just the content that needs work.
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Anonymous12/28/05
Good
Despite a few negative comments, you did a creditable job with this story.
Boyd
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Anonymous12/29/05
What a load...
If I remember your story in Chapter 2, she said that Richard really filled her up with his huge dick and she loved to suck on it. With his youth he could go on for hours and she liked that. Also, she said he had a much nicer package than Tom. Now she is saying to Tom that he was a lousy lover, not fuck, and he could not compare with Tom, package wise. By the way, did she forget to mention how Richard mauled her breasts and sucked her nipples until they had bite marks on them and her nipples were red and swollen. She rubbed Tom's face in the fact that she loved to have her tits sucked.
Next time, get your facts straight and if Tom lets her back into his house and life, he should be locked up for being mentally unstable.
of the couple had better be sterilized. If she gets knocked up again, it would be the same shit over again. If she wanted to fuck around, she could always say she had a relapse just like an alcoholic.
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Anonymous12/29/05
A Question Please
First Author - you are among the best in this theme and very much appreciated for your mind and imagination.
If one could find a way to forgive her - why wouldn't there be a way to understand why he could never go back?
That question isn't just for the author.
In our rush to put Humty Dumpty back together so everyone can feel better - what is fair - what is real?
Is it reasonable to understand that now she has nothing at risk and everything to gain - back.
He has lost everything by anothers choices - she admits that she knew what she was doing to hurt him - irrationally but deductively executed.
Is he to just accept that without memory of past pain and or concern for the future ?
In my mind, he certainly has no obligation to put himself and a now older child up for another hit - does he?
...a bad habit of destroying a good story by forcing reconcilling in it.
I mean, thats what you seem to do with the majority of your storys. You manage to draw the reader in, make them see a story, and possibly enjoy beyond expectation. Then you write an "Epilogue" that puts both of them back together again no matter how bad the story made the main character look and feel. Why?
If he was mad enough to leave why did he never date again? Thats one thing that seems to be a really big and major flaw for me with your stories. You have a husband who is really, really wronged by his wife. You then stick the husband in a corner doing nothing but just thinking and dwelling on the wife, and then we discover that he's just waiting for his chance to tell her "All's forgiven" and take her back. Why?
Sure a better person would and could fogive after this, but why didn't he see if any other women existed before he decided to start that train wreck all over again? If the wife was able to find someone else to experience a tiny bit of life with, how come the husband in this story in 2 years never found anyone to even remotely hang out with?
This is why I hate reconcillation storys. All they do is have the husband not only be cheated on, usually to the point of humilation, but then the writer of the story decides to totally make the husband suddenly and completely develop "amnesia" and do nothing but dream of the day that they can get back with the wife and put all that divorce foolishness behind them.
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Anonymous12/29/05
Another god story
I, for one, enjoyed this story. I rather enjoy happy endings for stories like this. Would have liked to have seen a little more reconciliation with these two. Maybe getting back together and having another baby. Guess I can use my imagination. Looking forward to more from you.
I think the shortness of the story is what leads some of the responders to think that he is a wimp for letting her back in the door. If there was a bit about his struggling to date again and his daughter missing her mother and wanting to see her more, I think it would give more credibility to his attempt at reconsiliation. Then with a bit about their struggle to reunite (dating each other, sex again, etc) with them talking thru every concern that comes up and a bit of therapy (for both), believing they reunite would be much more plausable.
I have never been cheated on this way. The macho in me says throw the bitch out. The person inside of me knows that my wife has given me my two children and that we will always be connected through them. Also the feelings that I felt when I saw my wife going through child birth and then when I saw my first child, changed me forever. I will alway feel for her differently because of it. Plus I have suffered from depression in the past as well. You make some stupid choices while depressed. Very good story. It makes one think. JDseller
It was a tumultuous road but you finally did bring the story home. I agree with your earlier comment regarding editing problems. Eliminating repetitions and resolving some discrepancies would have made the story feel much more seamless. I just want to offer all of us readers the perspective that we get to read what would be the equivalent in the publishing world of the ‘hot out of the print first draft’. Yes, many times there is an initial editor and I am not making excuses for story key faults. But we all appreciate the expediency of follow up chapters etc. So let’s be a bit lenient when there are some editing faults.
Back to the story, I was very impressed with the way you put it together at this chapter. I am a bit surprised with the comments which attributed abruptness; lack of presenting reasons on the husband part for trying to get together with his ex; lack of credibility on the wife part. The first two are wrong by the facts of the story. One can say that one does not accept the presenting reasons, and then try and prove why they fail to convince, but first we have to relate to what the story actually presents us with. The process of divorce, followed by cutting virtually all connections with the wife and then observing from distance through the therapist her measured improvement are very gradual and IMO very reasonable. Recovering from a major episode of depression can easily take a year or two. As the husband learned about it, it was reasonable for him to be swayed by this information and become open to giving their relations a chance. Do only drugs and rapes qualify as wavers for failing wives? The wife’s effort to come back to her husband seem credible to me on the same grounds as the husband’s reason for openness. IMO, that is pretty much commonsense, unless of course, one does not accept the premise of the impact of major mental health crisis, and the ability to work through it.
I agree with a previous comment though - no more children for this couple for the foreseeable future.
Thank you for this highly emotionally charged story.
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Anonymous12/31/05
Reconciliation at all Cost?
Tom becomes a weak character. It is sad that over a 2 year period that he can not find someone else who will love and respect him. I understand that he should not be making a life long committment given his recent problems with Julie but he should be exploring the field.
Of course, he should forgive her! For no one reason than his daughter he should try to be friend with his ex-wife once she has been cured of her aliment. But the line where she says "I smiled back at him and saw some of the love that we had shared in his eyes." implies reconciliation.
While her aliment is over the actions she took displayed such disrespect and deception how can he ever trust her again? It is said that even under the influcence of drugs or drink the person reveals deep seated feelings and attitudes. Even as she tell everyone how great Tom is (sexually, as a husband, as a father) her actions tell a different story. It does not matter that she used Richard to strike back at him but why she felt it was necessary to hurt him? Tom should be asking himself why other couples where the mother has this type of depression after childbirth do not have the focus of hate placed on the husband as she did in this case? He should ask why she came to her senses after he left her not when she was caught fucking Richard? He should also ask himself that since the focus of her problems was him why would getting together again be healthy for either one of them?
Thanks for an interesting read!
SleeplessinMD
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Anonymous12/31/05
Why All the Pseudo Psycho Babble?
Whether in real life or in arts, why do people think --- but they actually think they KNOW! --- that Professionals and other such are the answers, have the answers, to our problems, almost all of which are made by us for little more than selfish, narcissistic reasons?
I find it oddly interesting that people think some woman or man in an office could tell us --- after listening to us for some hours, which we pay outrageous fees --- what "must have gone wrong" in our heads, AS IF THEY ARE showing us how to derive the PYTHAGOREAN theorem, the value of PI, or the chain rule in calculus!
For the most part, people --- adults --- simply need to be less selfish (in all aspects, on average: so don't tell me "selfish is a relative thing"!) and less narcissistic!
This story would make more sense when/if the wife (if could be the husband, too: in fact, more men find themselves doing what this wife's been doing; but don't worry, the stats of women doing the exact same extramarital activities have been catching up with men's, if having not already surpassing them! lol) --- if the wife would simply say:
"I was selfish, greedy, and narcissistic. I wanted you, some one who loves me who is my anchor but I also wanted someone to enjoy, sexually, outside of our marriage. Despite what others might say, about people in my supposed mental state, I was and I am fully in control of my selfish acts, selfish self. I KNEW it was wrong, so I only did it AWAY from you, or even here at our house, I did it thinking you'd not catch me, because you're OUT OF TOWN. These things tell me, despite what socalled professionals might say, that I was, I am, fulling in control of my socalled thinking.
"I knew I would be caught, somehow, somewhere, sometime. I was not happy that I was caught; but I'm glad, in retrospect, that you caught me. It ended my stupidity and selfishness. I know I hurt more than you: I hurt you, me, our precious child, our marriage, and all those who are our friends, and others who might have looked up to us as a couple who could or would set some examples to follow.
"I am at your mercy, in more than one ways: You have every right to yell at me, hit me, divorce me and never wanting to see me again in this life. I've done so much hurt to all who loved us whom we loved, so much heinous things to our sacred marriage and vows.
"Being the selfish who I am, I will ask for your forgiveness, and COMPASSION even if I seemed to have shown you none of it, and hope for the best but expecting the worse. I am intelligent enough --- even if not as intelligent as you or faithful or trustworthy --- to know that I have, through impulsive acts of momentary stupdity, profoundly soiled myself, you, and our family.
"Whether with you or without you --- though I hope to live and die by you --- I will spend the rest of my life consciously, on a daily basis, making myself a better human being, for myself and for our child, who would forego momentay pleasures and impulsive acts in favor of a clean concience for myself, my family, and the person I choose as a life-long partner."
The end. PERIOD!
That is, if the wrong-doing person still wants to retain the wronged person and the family. Otherwise, no long speeches are needed: "I fucked around because I thought I could. Okay, so you found me. Big deal; I'm not happy with you. I'm divorcing you, because having multiple sexual partners is more thrilling in life than the old, same, boring spouse!"
There's no need for pseudo psychological babbling or other lame excuses --- which require OTHERS to tell us what they are or what we've done wrong and how and why! A stupid lawyer or two to "help" us helpless divide our properties and take a good chunk of them, but NO psychological babblings needed!
People waste too much time running around, hurting each other, cheating, and then expect socalled experts and professionals to diagnose what's wrong with them, to have started such selfish, narcissistic acts in the first time!
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Anonymous01/28/06
As I was saying ...
I spoke my mind on your last posting. All I have to say now is OUCH!!! Their kid is soooo out of luck, I truly feel sad for Rachel in a life where she is not considered first.
reconciliation in these type of stories always seems to invoke passionate responses in both directions.while i'm not of the 'throw the bitch out', slash and burns mentality, i do believe there are times when permanent separation,divorce,is the only real answer.
this story has the added crutch of mental illness.acceptance of mental illness as cause of you problems takes a lot of faith. i don't have a particularly high regard for 'phychobabble' but mental duress following pregnancy and delivery is pretty well established.in this story i see forgiveness possible,but i am sure many would think it makes no difference.
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"There was nothing about Richard that I enjoyed. He was young and inexperienced. I may have enjoyed being more mature than he but not much. He was a selfish partner sexually, wanting pleasure for himself but not caring about me. We did not spend any time intimately, as you put it, after sex or after work or at any time. We had nothing in common and nothing we shared. You may not understand this but that was the whole point! We shared nothing that would give me any pleasure! That was necessary to the whole affair. I couldn't enjoy it because that wasn't the point. Hurting you was the point!!" I was getting excited because it was necessary that Tom understand that I got no pleasure from what I had done. No pleasure, no sexual gratification, no nothing!"
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i find this paragraph inconsistant. prior to her first encounter with richard she expressed an expectation of good sex, and a clear disappointment of the results. how could she know the 'whole point' prior to the first encounter?
overall a pretty good story,as all your stories tend to be.an earlier reader commented that all your stories tend to have a 'happily ever after' tendency.true but it is fiction and it gives the readers something to compla..,i mean write about.
don
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Anonymous06/08/06
One man's psychobabble is another man's truth
Anonymous in USA said, "I find it oddly interesting that people think some woman or man in an office could tell us --- after listening to us for some hours, which we pay outrageous fees --- what "must have gone wrong" in our heads, AS IF THEY ARE showing us how to derive the PYTHAGOREAN theorem, the value of PI, or the chain rule in calculus!"
Being the lucky victim of chronic depression, I will have to disagree with anonymous's opinion. Without medication and psychotherapy, I've no doubt that I would've taken my own life. So, for me, the so-called psychobabble must've been worth something since I'm still here to write about it.
Is the author's use of psychotherapy valid? Who knows? It's a story, after all, so make up your own mind.
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Anonymous07/19/06
bullshit
cheating cunt "reforms" and stupid pussy wimp hsband starts the long crawl to take her back. sick, just sick
I know not everyone agreed with your ending . I liked it
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Anonymous11/20/06
very believable excellent
I am a physician and the ravages of postpartum depression are little appreciated by the uninformed public. This story makes good sense to me and I enjoyed it a lot. Please keep writing about the possibilities, if not the truth of reconcilliation. There are a bunch if sickos that comment on the stories and show their stupidity in their uneducated and prejudiced comments.
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Anonymous12/09/06
I feel sad for those critics who
complain about wimp husbands. They obviously have no concept of forgiveness or reconciliation. They are unfortunate people indeed who must lead hollow lives. Tell me, have you never asked for and received forgiveness?
I really felt the hurt and Julies hurt and Toms anger inside when Julie messed up but corrected i hope you continue with tom and julie i would like to see if they ever get back together and there daughter ever gets her momma back.
Pat Murray
Atlanta,Ga. Happy New Year everyone.
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Anonymous06/13/07
Understanding why a woman did what she did really
isnt important. What is important is whether or not she did it on purpose. This woman did, and her stated purpose was to hurt her husband. The reason she wanted to hurt him is hidden in the mumbo-jumbo of partial truths gained from physcoanalysis and a therapist read of those thoughts and expressions. Whether it is real or not really doesnt matter what matters is how the patient reads the interpretation and what actions come from those interpretatition. Only then can a person begin to rebuild a personality that is able to live a "normal" life. To assume in rebuilding her personality she is still the woman she was before the problems occurred is far fetched and to assume what she is now is what her exhusband would be attracted to is another far reaching notion. Were I he, in this case I would be interested in her only with regard to the care and protection of the child that she had hated as much as she had hated her exhusband. That point is not well taken care of in the story which concentrates on her mental state toward her ex. Try to develop a new personal relationship with this woman, never in a million years. She was and still is, emotionally a walking time bomb. To understand in your own head why you did something does not mean you have reconnected the hard wiring in your brain to prevent the same or worst disaster in the future. Reconciliaiton is a term used when one person spends to much money and the other objects. I dont believe that term really has meaning with regard to how this woman totally destroyed her marriage, her husband, her self, and her child's mental development. The person can be forgiven to acting in a certain manner but forgiveness and apologies dont take the place of punishment which also needs to be extended to make a person know that such actions can and will not be condoned. Her punishment is her divorce and the removal of her marriage and her husband from her life. Sorry I dont believe for a minute one forgives and also forgets.
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Anonymous10/24/07
What?!
Here I thought this series was going to be a hate-fueled rampage of venting frustrations on mentally ill people... thanks for making me think in colours beyond black and white, it totally felt uncomfortably cathartic. As for grammar, that dangling participle was a total turn-off, non-sexy. There, I said it... dangly bits flashed around just don't do it. Keep them adjectives firm and jiggly, and we'll all be happy campers...
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Anonymous12/26/07
What I said before
9mm the best therapy, if nothing else blown a few holes in the walls around them both, scared the total crap out of them.
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Anonymous12/26/07
who the fuck is Tom ?
Was'nt it supposed to be Early ?
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Anonymous12/26/07
Said it on the last chapter will say it again.
Depression or not, idiot or not, slut or not, she did what she did on purpose and instead of working with her mate she turned on him on purpose. Mommy the man on crack killed daddy while on crack, should we forgive and hug him? Nope doesnt matter why, what matters is the person did it on purpose. Blaming the actions on something or someone else does not forgive and forget the persons actions. She intentionally left the daughter at the grandmothers house, she intentionally checked that he was out of town as planned, she intentionally invited the guy to take her in her marriage bed, she didnt plan for her husband to come in and find her, she was angry and smiling that he caught her in the act of slutting herself out. She was conducting a long term affair, not a one time, one night stand. Nope let her get well enough to have visitations with the daugher and speak friendly to her, but keep her the hell out of your personal life. Who knows what word, or what act, will trip her trigger and off she goes again.
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Anonymous05/07/08
silence
she bottles everything up and then uses that as justification to hurt someone she 'loves'? and he inclined to go back?
I notice some of the comments don't care why. I don't know enough psychology to know whether the character's problems are believable. PPD is very real. After a lost child (5 mo. preg.) we had to face it. After the talk at the shrinks, I thought the relationship was fixable so this part makes sense (to me). If you want stories on getting even, try beermaker. I respect someone who tries to figure out what is going on. We (humans) are not simple and men's and women's brains are wired very differently making understanding difficult.
Bob
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Anonymous11/01/08
Crap
Ditch the Bitch
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Anonymous11/09/08
Just listen to the good stuff
Wow, Have you considered running for office. You could get a group of yes men to agree and say you are wonderful.
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Anonymous01/09/09
NO way in HELL!
Even is she was really a fruit cake, how could you possibly trust her with her child or to be in the same house with you when you were asleep? How could you have sex with her knowing that at any time she could fuck someone else then infect you with STDs or HIV? No Way in Hell! NWH
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Anonymous01/24/09
When a wife destroys herself, her husband, her
marriage, and then almost destroys her child, you dont care why. Why really isnt important and makes no significat difference. She should have in reality lost her job, she time off from work, lied about it and fucked on company time. That she had some mental issues (lest be real people mental problems) is a given. A sane, rational, mature person in love doesnt act this way. Can a psyche doctor actually cure a persons mental problems, no not really, what they really do is to try to find out why it happened so you can avoid the stimulus, and give you and understanding so you can fight it in the future. So after being drugged, nice term right, and going thru mental discussions is she well and ready to resume a normal life, not on your life. Whatever mechanisms that occurred internally within her are still there and can reappear with the right stimulus. So do you take a slut back as your wife and put her over custody of your child, not on your life! Life is tough enough having someone in your life that is sane and rational, this woman was neither. Cut your losses and run like hell.
..some of the earlier reflections, I consider this a warming tale...at the end. I feel the post-partum depression IS a valid answer to her actions, and her positive changes in and after treatment make her worthy of a possible reunion. Anyway, thanks! Jim
For anyone who has never experenced a metal breakdown there is no way to explain how the mind works. Ask someone who has attempted to kill themselves, yet recovered. At that moment dying made perfect since. The wife's actions seem crazy and don't make since, but they did to her. Mental illness is very powerful and something to be pitied. Can her husband forgive, forget, and move on? One can only hope such things are possible. I'm sad to say I don't have it in me to every trust her again.
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Anonymous07/07/09
PPD is a real illness. And yes it causes some
women to go crazy. Some even kill their children due to it. So having the illness identified cures it? How does a head doctor cure it? Can you be sure she wont go off again? And how much danger is she to herself, her husband, and her child? There was a marriage contract, a business deal. She vowed to so on and so forth and she intentionally broke the marriage contract not once but several times in many ways. The marriage actually ended when the contract was broken, the formal end comes with the divorce. Yes I agree, if the doctors says she is capable, she needs to have time with her child. It is good when the two parents can talk about the child and the problems associated with child rearing. Fuck her or get together with her again, no chance in hell, you dont know when she may go off again and you damn sure dont want any nice little STD bugs has or may acquire.
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Anonymous09/09/09
send them out naked
the 'breakdown' seems more the excuse than reality. tom should have sent both naked out of the house, and let them deal with that. the actions were done, and blame tom, he wanted to help her?
Well, if you had killed her off like she deserved, it could have had a happy ending.
As it is, we all know that they got back together and later on in life he found out that beautiful Rachael was not his biological daughter and the lying cheating slut whore was still cheating, lying and whoring.
Not in the world other comments come from, obviously. In my life I have lived with a wife who went down the same road. Maybe we should compare notes and see if they saw the same Ob/GYN. It took use three years to get her back to hormonal sanity and our family to a new sanity. The way you told the story is much like it happened in my life, too.
We decided not to have any more biological children. She's a good mother and again a good wife. Our children are our children. Conceived in love in her womb or at the adoption agency... it doesn't matter to us or them. Thank you.
English
It all fits now
That was a fitting end; hopeful and with some light at the end of their tunnel.
All in all, that was an excellent tale.
Hopeful
This is a real ending. You can guess but you don't know.
Thanks for the good story.
The ending made the rest make
more sense. I'm glad you submitted it...
Very nice ending
All in all, a complex story well told. Everyone has some demon inside trying to get out... most of us control that demon... most of the time!
Good job, I look forward to more from you.
Well done
Hope may be enough for now. I enjoyed this story. Especially the final part.
and finally
thecelt made everything right. that was what the story needed. i knew you wouldn't let us down. a fan always.
Nice story
I know the story is complete.
I just wonder what Tom’s life was like for the last two years.
Thank you for another good story. Please keep writing.
really now???
this chapter is neither here nor there. i gave you 0 for the apparent reconciliation. oh well.. what xmas can do.. happy new year
A good start
This is just another one of those cases where our society is all fucked up with man-made dogma. That a woman cannot fuck but one man and one man (vice versa) is a totally fucked up system. If the man-made dogma had not governed this behavior in this story, at least one lawyer would have had to go to work to earn a living, and the child involved would not have had the obvious heartache she experienced of her Mommy and Daddy not living with her. We call ourselves a "Christian nation", but then we don't follow those principles espoused in the book that we use for our guidelines in life. What a fucked up existence and society!
Nice job
Very good enjoyed your story
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Not one of your best series,in fact I was rather disappointed.Why would they make someone who could have cost them a lot of money(and who was having psychiatric treatment),head of a commercial loans department?
THIS ISNT REAL
..as far as reading material...i have to admit it is very well written.As far as believable...NO WAY. First a woman who did what she did..not only to her husband..as if thats doesnt happen all the time anyway. But to do that to a child is totally unforgivable, and unrealistic.
My opinion...but i still think your style is well done.Its just the content that needs work.
Good
Despite a few negative comments, you did a creditable job with this story.
Boyd
What a load...
If I remember your story in Chapter 2, she said that Richard really filled her up with his huge dick and she loved to suck on it. With his youth he could go on for hours and she liked that. Also, she said he had a much nicer package than Tom. Now she is saying to Tom that he was a lousy lover, not fuck, and he could not compare with Tom, package wise. By the way, did she forget to mention how Richard mauled her breasts and sucked her nipples until they had bite marks on them and her nipples were red and swollen. She rubbed Tom's face in the fact that she loved to have her tits sucked.
Next time, get your facts straight and if Tom lets her back into his house and life, he should be locked up for being mentally unstable.
One Or The other
of the couple had better be sterilized. If she gets knocked up again, it would be the same shit over again. If she wanted to fuck around, she could always say she had a relapse just like an alcoholic.
A Question Please
First Author - you are among the best in this theme and very much appreciated for your mind and imagination.
If one could find a way to forgive her - why wouldn't there be a way to understand why he could never go back?
That question isn't just for the author.
In our rush to put Humty Dumpty back together so everyone can feel better - what is fair - what is real?
Is it reasonable to understand that now she has nothing at risk and everything to gain - back.
He has lost everything by anothers choices - she admits that she knew what she was doing to hurt him - irrationally but deductively executed.
Is he to just accept that without memory of past pain and or concern for the future ?
In my mind, he certainly has no obligation to put himself and a now older child up for another hit - does he?
You know, your a good writer, but you have....
...a bad habit of destroying a good story by forcing reconcilling in it.
I mean, thats what you seem to do with the majority of your storys. You manage to draw the reader in, make them see a story, and possibly enjoy beyond expectation. Then you write an "Epilogue" that puts both of them back together again no matter how bad the story made the main character look and feel. Why?
If he was mad enough to leave why did he never date again? Thats one thing that seems to be a really big and major flaw for me with your stories. You have a husband who is really, really wronged by his wife. You then stick the husband in a corner doing nothing but just thinking and dwelling on the wife, and then we discover that he's just waiting for his chance to tell her "All's forgiven" and take her back. Why?
Sure a better person would and could fogive after this, but why didn't he see if any other women existed before he decided to start that train wreck all over again? If the wife was able to find someone else to experience a tiny bit of life with, how come the husband in this story in 2 years never found anyone to even remotely hang out with?
This is why I hate reconcillation storys. All they do is have the husband not only be cheated on, usually to the point of humilation, but then the writer of the story decides to totally make the husband suddenly and completely develop "amnesia" and do nothing but dream of the day that they can get back with the wife and put all that divorce foolishness behind them.
Another god story
I, for one, enjoyed this story. I rather enjoy happy endings for stories like this. Would have liked to have seen a little more reconciliation with these two. Maybe getting back together and having another baby. Guess I can use my imagination. Looking forward to more from you.
This was a bit short
I think the shortness of the story is what leads some of the responders to think that he is a wimp for letting her back in the door. If there was a bit about his struggling to date again and his daughter missing her mother and wanting to see her more, I think it would give more credibility to his attempt at reconsiliation. Then with a bit about their struggle to reunite (dating each other, sex again, etc) with them talking thru every concern that comes up and a bit of therapy (for both), believing they reunite would be much more plausable.
Back together = Wimp ????
I have never been cheated on this way. The macho in me says throw the bitch out. The person inside of me knows that my wife has given me my two children and that we will always be connected through them. Also the feelings that I felt when I saw my wife going through child birth and then when I saw my first child, changed me forever. I will alway feel for her differently because of it. Plus I have suffered from depression in the past as well. You make some stupid choices while depressed. Very good story. It makes one think. JDseller
With major depression – still unforgivable?
It was a tumultuous road but you finally did bring the story home. I agree with your earlier comment regarding editing problems. Eliminating repetitions and resolving some discrepancies would have made the story feel much more seamless. I just want to offer all of us readers the perspective that we get to read what would be the equivalent in the publishing world of the ‘hot out of the print first draft’. Yes, many times there is an initial editor and I am not making excuses for story key faults. But we all appreciate the expediency of follow up chapters etc. So let’s be a bit lenient when there are some editing faults.
Back to the story, I was very impressed with the way you put it together at this chapter. I am a bit surprised with the comments which attributed abruptness; lack of presenting reasons on the husband part for trying to get together with his ex; lack of credibility on the wife part. The first two are wrong by the facts of the story. One can say that one does not accept the presenting reasons, and then try and prove why they fail to convince, but first we have to relate to what the story actually presents us with. The process of divorce, followed by cutting virtually all connections with the wife and then observing from distance through the therapist her measured improvement are very gradual and IMO very reasonable. Recovering from a major episode of depression can easily take a year or two. As the husband learned about it, it was reasonable for him to be swayed by this information and become open to giving their relations a chance. Do only drugs and rapes qualify as wavers for failing wives? The wife’s effort to come back to her husband seem credible to me on the same grounds as the husband’s reason for openness. IMO, that is pretty much commonsense, unless of course, one does not accept the premise of the impact of major mental health crisis, and the ability to work through it.
I agree with a previous comment though - no more children for this couple for the foreseeable future.
Thank you for this highly emotionally charged story.
Reconciliation at all Cost?
Tom becomes a weak character. It is sad that over a 2 year period that he can not find someone else who will love and respect him. I understand that he should not be making a life long committment given his recent problems with Julie but he should be exploring the field.
Of course, he should forgive her! For no one reason than his daughter he should try to be friend with his ex-wife once she has been cured of her aliment. But the line where she says "I smiled back at him and saw some of the love that we had shared in his eyes." implies reconciliation.
While her aliment is over the actions she took displayed such disrespect and deception how can he ever trust her again? It is said that even under the influcence of drugs or drink the person reveals deep seated feelings and attitudes. Even as she tell everyone how great Tom is (sexually, as a husband, as a father) her actions tell a different story. It does not matter that she used Richard to strike back at him but why she felt it was necessary to hurt him? Tom should be asking himself why other couples where the mother has this type of depression after childbirth do not have the focus of hate placed on the husband as she did in this case? He should ask why she came to her senses after he left her not when she was caught fucking Richard? He should also ask himself that since the focus of her problems was him why would getting together again be healthy for either one of them?
Thanks for an interesting read!
SleeplessinMD
Why All the Pseudo Psycho Babble?
Whether in real life or in arts, why do people think --- but they actually think they KNOW! --- that Professionals and other such are the answers, have the answers, to our problems, almost all of which are made by us for little more than selfish, narcissistic reasons?
I find it oddly interesting that people think some woman or man in an office could tell us --- after listening to us for some hours, which we pay outrageous fees --- what "must have gone wrong" in our heads, AS IF THEY ARE showing us how to derive the PYTHAGOREAN theorem, the value of PI, or the chain rule in calculus!
For the most part, people --- adults --- simply need to be less selfish (in all aspects, on average: so don't tell me "selfish is a relative thing"!) and less narcissistic!
This story would make more sense when/if the wife (if could be the husband, too: in fact, more men find themselves doing what this wife's been doing; but don't worry, the stats of women doing the exact same extramarital activities have been catching up with men's, if having not already surpassing them! lol) --- if the wife would simply say:
"I was selfish, greedy, and narcissistic. I wanted you, some one who loves me who is my anchor but I also wanted someone to enjoy, sexually, outside of our marriage. Despite what others might say, about people in my supposed mental state, I was and I am fully in control of my selfish acts, selfish self. I KNEW it was wrong, so I only did it AWAY from you, or even here at our house, I did it thinking you'd not catch me, because you're OUT OF TOWN. These things tell me, despite what socalled professionals might say, that I was, I am, fulling in control of my socalled thinking.
"I knew I would be caught, somehow, somewhere, sometime. I was not happy that I was caught; but I'm glad, in retrospect, that you caught me. It ended my stupidity and selfishness. I know I hurt more than you: I hurt you, me, our precious child, our marriage, and all those who are our friends, and others who might have looked up to us as a couple who could or would set some examples to follow.
"I am at your mercy, in more than one ways: You have every right to yell at me, hit me, divorce me and never wanting to see me again in this life. I've done so much hurt to all who loved us whom we loved, so much heinous things to our sacred marriage and vows.
"Being the selfish who I am, I will ask for your forgiveness, and COMPASSION even if I seemed to have shown you none of it, and hope for the best but expecting the worse. I am intelligent enough --- even if not as intelligent as you or faithful or trustworthy --- to know that I have, through impulsive acts of momentary stupdity, profoundly soiled myself, you, and our family.
"Whether with you or without you --- though I hope to live and die by you --- I will spend the rest of my life consciously, on a daily basis, making myself a better human being, for myself and for our child, who would forego momentay pleasures and impulsive acts in favor of a clean concience for myself, my family, and the person I choose as a life-long partner."
The end. PERIOD!
That is, if the wrong-doing person still wants to retain the wronged person and the family. Otherwise, no long speeches are needed: "I fucked around because I thought I could. Okay, so you found me. Big deal; I'm not happy with you. I'm divorcing you, because having multiple sexual partners is more thrilling in life than the old, same, boring spouse!"
There's no need for pseudo psychological babbling or other lame excuses --- which require OTHERS to tell us what they are or what we've done wrong and how and why! A stupid lawyer or two to "help" us helpless divide our properties and take a good chunk of them, but NO psychological babblings needed!
People waste too much time running around, hurting each other, cheating, and then expect socalled experts and professionals to diagnose what's wrong with them, to have started such selfish, narcissistic acts in the first time!
As I was saying ...
I spoke my mind on your last posting. All I have to say now is OUCH!!! Their kid is soooo out of luck, I truly feel sad for Rachel in a life where she is not considered first.
good story
reconciliation in these type of stories always seems to invoke passionate responses in both directions.while i'm not of the 'throw the bitch out', slash and burns mentality, i do believe there are times when permanent separation,divorce,is the only real answer.
this story has the added crutch of mental illness.acceptance of mental illness as cause of you problems takes a lot of faith. i don't have a particularly high regard for 'phychobabble' but mental duress following pregnancy and delivery is pretty well established.in this story i see forgiveness possible,but i am sure many would think it makes no difference.
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"There was nothing about Richard that I enjoyed. He was young and inexperienced. I may have enjoyed being more mature than he but not much. He was a selfish partner sexually, wanting pleasure for himself but not caring about me. We did not spend any time intimately, as you put it, after sex or after work or at any time. We had nothing in common and nothing we shared. You may not understand this but that was the whole point! We shared nothing that would give me any pleasure! That was necessary to the whole affair. I couldn't enjoy it because that wasn't the point. Hurting you was the point!!" I was getting excited because it was necessary that Tom understand that I got no pleasure from what I had done. No pleasure, no sexual gratification, no nothing!"
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i find this paragraph inconsistant. prior to her first encounter with richard she expressed an expectation of good sex, and a clear disappointment of the results. how could she know the 'whole point' prior to the first encounter?
overall a pretty good story,as all your stories tend to be.an earlier reader commented that all your stories tend to have a 'happily ever after' tendency.true but it is fiction and it gives the readers something to compla..,i mean write about.
don
One man's psychobabble is another man's truth
Anonymous in USA said, "I find it oddly interesting that people think some woman or man in an office could tell us --- after listening to us for some hours, which we pay outrageous fees --- what "must have gone wrong" in our heads, AS IF THEY ARE showing us how to derive the PYTHAGOREAN theorem, the value of PI, or the chain rule in calculus!"
Being the lucky victim of chronic depression, I will have to disagree with anonymous's opinion. Without medication and psychotherapy, I've no doubt that I would've taken my own life. So, for me, the so-called psychobabble must've been worth something since I'm still here to write about it.
Is the author's use of psychotherapy valid? Who knows? It's a story, after all, so make up your own mind.
bullshit
cheating cunt "reforms" and stupid pussy wimp hsband starts the long crawl to take her back. sick, just sick
Good Story
I know not everyone agreed with your ending . I liked it
very believable excellent
I am a physician and the ravages of postpartum depression are little appreciated by the uninformed public. This story makes good sense to me and I enjoyed it a lot. Please keep writing about the possibilities, if not the truth of reconcilliation. There are a bunch if sickos that comment on the stories and show their stupidity in their uneducated and prejudiced comments.
I feel sad for those critics who
complain about wimp husbands. They obviously have no concept of forgiveness or reconciliation. They are unfortunate people indeed who must lead hollow lives. Tell me, have you never asked for and received forgiveness?
so moving
I really felt the hurt and Julies hurt and Toms anger inside when Julie messed up but corrected i hope you continue with tom and julie i would like to see if they ever get back together and there daughter ever gets her momma back.
Pat Murray
Atlanta,Ga. Happy New Year everyone.
Understanding why a woman did what she did really
isnt important. What is important is whether or not she did it on purpose. This woman did, and her stated purpose was to hurt her husband. The reason she wanted to hurt him is hidden in the mumbo-jumbo of partial truths gained from physcoanalysis and a therapist read of those thoughts and expressions. Whether it is real or not really doesnt matter what matters is how the patient reads the interpretation and what actions come from those interpretatition. Only then can a person begin to rebuild a personality that is able to live a "normal" life. To assume in rebuilding her personality she is still the woman she was before the problems occurred is far fetched and to assume what she is now is what her exhusband would be attracted to is another far reaching notion. Were I he, in this case I would be interested in her only with regard to the care and protection of the child that she had hated as much as she had hated her exhusband. That point is not well taken care of in the story which concentrates on her mental state toward her ex. Try to develop a new personal relationship with this woman, never in a million years. She was and still is, emotionally a walking time bomb. To understand in your own head why you did something does not mean you have reconnected the hard wiring in your brain to prevent the same or worst disaster in the future. Reconciliaiton is a term used when one person spends to much money and the other objects. I dont believe that term really has meaning with regard to how this woman totally destroyed her marriage, her husband, her self, and her child's mental development. The person can be forgiven to acting in a certain manner but forgiveness and apologies dont take the place of punishment which also needs to be extended to make a person know that such actions can and will not be condoned. Her punishment is her divorce and the removal of her marriage and her husband from her life. Sorry I dont believe for a minute one forgives and also forgets.
What?!
Here I thought this series was going to be a hate-fueled rampage of venting frustrations on mentally ill people... thanks for making me think in colours beyond black and white, it totally felt uncomfortably cathartic. As for grammar, that dangling participle was a total turn-off, non-sexy. There, I said it... dangly bits flashed around just don't do it. Keep them adjectives firm and jiggly, and we'll all be happy campers...
What I said before
9mm the best therapy, if nothing else blown a few holes in the walls around them both, scared the total crap out of them.
who the fuck is Tom ?
Was'nt it supposed to be Early ?
Said it on the last chapter will say it again.
Depression or not, idiot or not, slut or not, she did what she did on purpose and instead of working with her mate she turned on him on purpose. Mommy the man on crack killed daddy while on crack, should we forgive and hug him? Nope doesnt matter why, what matters is the person did it on purpose. Blaming the actions on something or someone else does not forgive and forget the persons actions. She intentionally left the daughter at the grandmothers house, she intentionally checked that he was out of town as planned, she intentionally invited the guy to take her in her marriage bed, she didnt plan for her husband to come in and find her, she was angry and smiling that he caught her in the act of slutting herself out. She was conducting a long term affair, not a one time, one night stand. Nope let her get well enough to have visitations with the daugher and speak friendly to her, but keep her the hell out of your personal life. Who knows what word, or what act, will trip her trigger and off she goes again.
silence
she bottles everything up and then uses that as justification to hurt someone she 'loves'? and he inclined to go back?
Why does matter
I notice some of the comments don't care why. I don't know enough psychology to know whether the character's problems are believable. PPD is very real. After a lost child (5 mo. preg.) we had to face it. After the talk at the shrinks, I thought the relationship was fixable so this part makes sense (to me). If you want stories on getting even, try beermaker. I respect someone who tries to figure out what is going on. We (humans) are not simple and men's and women's brains are wired very differently making understanding difficult.
Bob
Crap
Ditch the Bitch
Just listen to the good stuff
Wow, Have you considered running for office. You could get a group of yes men to agree and say you are wonderful.
NO way in HELL!
Even is she was really a fruit cake, how could you possibly trust her with her child or to be in the same house with you when you were asleep? How could you have sex with her knowing that at any time she could fuck someone else then infect you with STDs or HIV? No Way in Hell! NWH
When a wife destroys herself, her husband, her
marriage, and then almost destroys her child, you dont care why. Why really isnt important and makes no significat difference. She should have in reality lost her job, she time off from work, lied about it and fucked on company time. That she had some mental issues (lest be real people mental problems) is a given. A sane, rational, mature person in love doesnt act this way. Can a psyche doctor actually cure a persons mental problems, no not really, what they really do is to try to find out why it happened so you can avoid the stimulus, and give you and understanding so you can fight it in the future. So after being drugged, nice term right, and going thru mental discussions is she well and ready to resume a normal life, not on your life. Whatever mechanisms that occurred internally within her are still there and can reappear with the right stimulus. So do you take a slut back as your wife and put her over custody of your child, not on your life! Life is tough enough having someone in your life that is sane and rational, this woman was neither. Cut your losses and run like hell.
IN SPITE OF...
..some of the earlier reflections, I consider this a warming tale...at the end. I feel the post-partum depression IS a valid answer to her actions, and her positive changes in and after treatment make her worthy of a possible reunion. Anyway, thanks! Jim
Walk a mile in my shoes
For anyone who has never experenced a metal breakdown there is no way to explain how the mind works. Ask someone who has attempted to kill themselves, yet recovered. At that moment dying made perfect since. The wife's actions seem crazy and don't make since, but they did to her. Mental illness is very powerful and something to be pitied. Can her husband forgive, forget, and move on? One can only hope such things are possible. I'm sad to say I don't have it in me to every trust her again.
PPD is a real illness. And yes it causes some
women to go crazy. Some even kill their children due to it. So having the illness identified cures it? How does a head doctor cure it? Can you be sure she wont go off again? And how much danger is she to herself, her husband, and her child? There was a marriage contract, a business deal. She vowed to so on and so forth and she intentionally broke the marriage contract not once but several times in many ways. The marriage actually ended when the contract was broken, the formal end comes with the divorce. Yes I agree, if the doctors says she is capable, she needs to have time with her child. It is good when the two parents can talk about the child and the problems associated with child rearing. Fuck her or get together with her again, no chance in hell, you dont know when she may go off again and you damn sure dont want any nice little STD bugs has or may acquire.
send them out naked
the 'breakdown' seems more the excuse than reality. tom should have sent both naked out of the house, and let them deal with that. the actions were done, and blame tom, he wanted to help her?
Grind her into dust!
Another mussy soft response to the inexcusable behavior of a cheating slut. Celt is a very good writer with a real problem with cheating stories.
In this story, our hero should have destroyed the bitch, then after she killed herself, ground her bones into dust.
Thank you
Thanks for a story with Hope needed that today more than you could possibly know
Well, if you had killed her off like she deserved, it could have had a happy ending.
As it is, we all know that they got back together and later on in life he found out that beautiful Rachael was not his biological daughter and the lying cheating slut whore was still cheating, lying and whoring.
Realistic in the world I live in.
Not in the world other comments come from, obviously. In my life I have lived with a wife who went down the same road. Maybe we should compare notes and see if they saw the same Ob/GYN. It took use three years to get her back to hormonal sanity and our family to a new sanity. The way you told the story is much like it happened in my life, too.
We decided not to have any more biological children. She's a good mother and again a good wife. Our children are our children. Conceived in love in her womb or at the adoption agency... it doesn't matter to us or them. Thank you.
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