All Comments on 'Pillow Talk'

She had an affair with a young man because he said she was beautiful. He had an affair because she had one. Imagine for a minute her going to a formal party in a very sexy dress and ten men telling her she was beautiful and sexy, wow, with her reasoning can you imagine the gangbang that night? Ah dear, this young woman is throwing herself at me and wants sex, but I tell her no, do you think I can have a pass and do all the things with her you wont do with me? I would say they deserve to divorce but as dumb as they are they actually deserve to stay together and take the suffering.

I really can't figure out what planet some of you authors live on. No one you've ever met in your entire life behaves this way... so why do you write it?????

"She knows what she did was wrong."

But he never said "I know what I did was wrong."

Meanwhile I see that the usual idiots have commented also.

This was very believable. There is a difference between approving of characters' actions and appreciating a well told story. Thanks for posting this one.

Felt it lacked some detail around the 'endgame'. Nice

The fault is almost enitrely the wife's. This is a good story but flawed and needs a re-write

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The reason why HE does NOT say <i> "I know what I did was wrong" </i> is because he does not NEED to. <b> His affair which by any definition is wrong </b> (affairs are not the same ting as an open marriage) <b> only came about b/c SHE cheated first. His was a reaction to hers.</b>

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The marital dynamic does not REQUIRE an apology since the huband's affair is a wrongful act that was triggered by HER wrongful act.

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SHOULD the husband apologize? Yes and in a indirect way he has. That being said its clear that the obtuse poster of <u>Interesting POV</u> has no clue.

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How does this marriage survive?. Men NOT being emotionally advanced as woman use the sex for emotional connection to a much greater degree than womne. So she is out fucking someone in their mid 20s with a bigger coock more stamina and doing all sort of things she has denied her husabnd for 25 years.

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Let me be clear. <b>A Husband does NOT own a wife. She does not ever NEED to do EVERYTHING he wants sexually. She does not NEED to do ANYTHING he wants sexually. </b> The way I read this story the husband is stunned by the fact that he could not do all those sexual acts with his wife b/c she said for <b>25 years NO way </b>

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It is strongly implied in the story that for the 1st 10+ years of the marriage he probably wanted to try all or some of those "other sexual things" for many years in their marriage and she constantly said NO.... even if some part of her said well maybe ...

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BUT that is why he and most men get comfortable... into a rut. Sexually she wont tell him what she REALLY wnats in the bedroom. So rather than rock the boat after 12 or 15 or 18 years of marriage the husband says "whatever" and gives up trying to get his wife to chnage her mind.

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<b>Her cheating is a total rejection of him.... all she had to was ASK..."honey lets try something new" .</b> IF in the story she has asked and he said NO or if He was ignoring her or abusive etc then there could be extenutating circumstances.

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But that is NOT what has happened here. This marriage is over... and I am certain that within several weeks the wife will get the wrong message by the fact that he so easily accepted her cheating...

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....<i> hey maybe he gets off on it ... maybe I should do it agagn... maybe he is a wimp.</i>

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In the real world this marriage is so fucking over

Plausible, honest dialogue and feelings. These are people you care about. Great job.

So let me see if I understand...if a husband ignores his wife or takes her for granted (especially after 25 years of marriage) he will give her a pass if she fucks a young man (or twenty) because after all he said she was pretty. She needed that ego boost, and so she also did with him all those things she had denied him through the marriage because SHE WAS SCARED OF LOOSING THE YOUNG STUD... but hey, no problem cuz now I am a slut and have the experience to try them with you. Yes, yes my love it's going to take a lot of work to keep us together. So which do you want first, a suck or anal?

In real life all marriages go through what this author calls "benign neglect." There are mortgages to pay, children to take care of, problems to solve, so at times passion takes the back burner. What we didn't realize was that at those times we could go and fuck out of the marriage. Who knew? Now where did I put that slutty red dress and my stiletto heels?

I will not, and no one can comment on why this woman strayed as there are no real deep answers given. This was not a soul searching of why she had sex, but a confrontation of minutes with little time to really search for truth.<p>

Now for a truth that many here don’t acknowledge to themselves. People who make blunders that take away things that are of great importance to them will not repeat that blunder if the pain was far worse then the action they undertook. Further it requires that we understand why we did these things to the best of our abilities and see if what we did was what we really wanted and may want again.<p> Cheaters are not doomed to be cheaters again. Cheaters are NOT always cheaters again. Some will find the hoped new relationship now started fizzles and they are back to what was. If that occurs then problems are afoot that require action to acknowledge this to both partners.<p>

This couple's new found truths are something to be remembered but not dwelled on. To keep these memories fresh in the mind will only exacerbate the pain over and over. To deal with it as a sad time, but now behind them, and look at the new found love of each other and their new lust for each others wants and hopes. Many people have more then just survived these times but have grown, and many excelled to new heights in their relationship.<p>The husband cheating in revenge can be a good thing to even the pain or it can be just a huge blunder. The wife MAY now feel not the pain intended but her own hatred of his betrayal. I am not saying this is a rational reaction on her part, just a reaction of some of our personalities.<p>

I don’t normally respond to another’s comments and Harry did a good job of explaining his own views according to his own personality and mind set. I do take exception to this excerpt from Harry’s comments:<p>”Men NOT being emotionally advanced as woman use the sex for emotional connection to a much greater degree than womne.”<p> It is a fact MOST women find sex an emotional experience more then MOST men as they find it more a physical act. Most women need intimacy to enjoy the act as most men find the physical pleasure the most important. So guys start with a lot of romantic hugging and kissing and quit turning over and going to sleep and cuddle some, you will find she appreciates it more then you know. Many women feel the intimate embraces are as important as the physical sex. This is one of the reasons more men stray then women, as they are not really emotionally attached to the woman. Women want the needs addressed emotionally men physically. Don’t get the wrong idea, a turned-on woman can be a really physical animal in bed when emotionally attached<p>

This was well written and to be a commenting cliché “It was real to life.” Thank you for your very well done piece.<p>PT

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Very well written. The hurt and guilt from both parties was real. It's also nice to see that their love for one another was able to help rebuild their marriage. Close to real.

Emotion is a necessary component of any story...and this one has no emotion whatsoever. A three day old corpse has more life than this story. Pass this story by, reader. There's nothing here.

There is truth to this story but it reads like an essay. Why did the husband bring up the subject since they were both doing what they wanted to do? It sounds like they were both happy cheating but he had to spoil it with this pillow talk! Now they have to go through this awkward period and try things they never wanted to try before sexually.______

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I think Jill and David are both going to have trust problems with each other. And, if either one of them becomes good friends with somebody else of the opposite sex, the temptation to cut the losses and run with something new will be overwhelming. Possible for the marriage to survive, but a very low probability bet. Perhaps the comments that it is "all the wife's fault" are correct, but knowing who is at fault won't improve their odds.

The foreign reaction by him aside, one can see the reason she selfishly chose to violate their marriage agreement rather than communicate her needs. But her selfish pride wouldn't allow her. Instead she chose to allow then seek the more exciting alternative.<P>

Clearly this contract is mortally damaged by her intended choices of a long term illicit nature. His choice to wander was a reaction to her infidelity which clearly was an effort to get revenge - to balance the scales.<P>

Toast ! But a great vehicle by the Author to provoke thought and comment - and perhaps to save a few relationships - marital or non.<P>

Thanks With High Regard

What could have evolved from a classic set up for Hitchcockian plot (normal daily setting, suddenly being interrupted by totally unexpected development) and similarly surprising ending, was diluted and defused with the familiar (an erroneous) claims of moral equivalency. I can’t see many people in life going with this assumption (and neither could I). So, the incredibility of the husband’s character, and by extension the story’s ending, took away a lot of the pleasure of the read from the beginning (the strongest part) and up to the ending. I actually found myself writing for myself an alternative ending, just to let some steam out (I am exaggerating a bit). But it speaks to the strength of the dialog and the dramatic build up, up to the point when the husband started blaming himself too. What a missed opportunity!

The act of asking and telling is the heart of this story. I would want to delete the "why" entirely, as it takes away some of the empact. From my own experience, this is sometimes the way things happen, that is, this conversation.

Regardless of what the anonymous high schoolers' comments say, this is a chunk of real life. A modicum of research will show that a high percentage of marriages where one or both of the spouses engage in an affair rekindle their loving relationships with counseling and hard work. This is an example of one that will succeed. Good writing. Succinct and to the point. PW

she gave her all to a stranger and not her hubby.she said i tried to please her lover.to easy for hubby to forgive.plot sucks.why go back to a old vein cow.

And not Canadian Harrysackofshitters, or whatever the hell his/her name is. As Harry said, this marriage is SO over. The male ego being what it is when he really thinks about being denied for 25 years and his whoring wife giving in to the younger man so she doesn't lose him? HISTORY! Get a good lawyer. Just get out, she will fuck around again.

I thought it was dry and unemotional. I thought the husband was a chump. I couldnt believe that anyone with an ounce of testosterone left in their body would calmly tell his wife he wanted to work it out after finding out she's been giving away what she always denied him. I couldnt believe the wife could go from denying to weepy in the space of a heartbeat and that the husband would believe a word she said. <p><p>

I suppose saying I couldnt believe they would act that way is wrong. I do believe people act that way every day but that they are unlikable people and likely ashamed of being chicken-shit bastards even as they are choking on the remnants of their self-respect. Letting pride destroy a mostly solid marriage seems stupid but staying with someone who would callously dismiss your feelings then claim to love you when caught is just as stupid imo.<p><p>

Still appreciate your stories even if this one did leave me feeling a little queasy. Thanks for writing.

But only the most stupid of men would not go deeper into why she worried about losing the toy boy more than she worried about losing him...<BR>

Apart from that, a good story.

He'll always be second place wimp, no matter how many revenge fucks he gets. Time to start developing a taste for cream pie.

I enjoyed the plot which involved a wife's infidelity and her husbands retaliatory affair but found that both characters lacked any real emotion. In fact, the husbands attitude seemed so 'cut and dried' that it almost made his wife's desire for sexual adventure understandable. His way of confronting his wife seemed very relaxed and laid back. If he handled the rest of his marriage in the same manner it's no wonder they both were bored. Despite this the story was interesting and decently written.

This is one of the rare Coaster stories without the requisite red H. Hopefully my vote will put it over the top.

Damn, the only thing that I love more than dirty talk is pillow talk.

It was masterful how you not only allowed us to listen to him grilling her but also about her grilling him.

Wonderful!

Then why the 100. She cheated and she will again. His reaction was to cheat as well. I feel no love for either of them. He is trying to save the unsaveable, which makes him weak. He had an affair which makes him despicable. I do not like people like these people. And yet the story rings true and so 100.

The subject of infadality between both husband and wife is much to deep to be solved in less than an hour of pillow talk,It shows me niether of them felt that serious about there marriage in the first place,

Ze sabject of rilaishon betwien both storrey and comenter is mutch to commplikaitet too bee clerrifaid in les then a hour of wraiting.

ideas, but again I find another story on this site that leaves me wondering how the couple made it for (insert #) years with such lack of communication.And her reason for having young stud was bullshit. If she felt they had "drifted" apart then she would have been seeking emotional relationship,not a stud muffin!Pistolpackinpete

I think Aaron had a few strike-outs, too. She wouldn't swallow for hubby at 25, but it's ok for boytoy? No man can take coming in second (except for some Lit LW authors).

This fantasy story was a very honest one and that is why they did not divorce.

This fantasy story was a very honest one and that is why they did not divorce.

though I have to take exception to the husband's comments that he was to blame for the wife's affair. She is a grown adult responsible for her own actions. If she needed something more or fealt she was being ignored it was her responsability to communicate. So, bottom line, she was responsable for her affair. He shouldn't feel guilty for 'causing her to cheat,' nor should he feel guilty for cheating. She decided they had an open marriage, he just went along with it. Its not a case of 2 wrongs, just him going along with her ground rules. No reason for him not to take advantage of the open marriage if she was going to do so. Hopefully she'll start giving him the same favors she gave her young stud, after all she supposedly loves her husband not the stud.

As usual, I personally don't like stories in this genre where neither the husband nor the wife has anything to commend them. I know others feel differently, but hey, that's one of the nice things about Lit ... lots of variety.

. . . when I found this story. This is a first rate, a totally honest story of marriage. Superb writing Coaster!

Women would never use sex as a weapon. Men would treat their wives as their help meet and both would be faithful to each other.

is a slope with a chasm yawning, TK U MLJ LV NV

Pretty well done but not very pleasant -

2 very complacent - careless - seemingly disloyal people who were willing to follow a whim rather than work with their partner - then wanted to just move on and work it out.

His fault - only partly - her actions are hers and she owns them and the consequences - wait there were none to speak of - one nights bad sleep then his re-commitment to make her happy - him some pain it seems then a fuckfest and a very small confrontation where he took the load of the ownership for her choices - he may own an equal part of the environment they lived in that made her let herself do what she did - BUT she did what she did not him - he only DID what he did.

No bravery here - no facing what they did either of them - no owning how they had destroyed trust and comfort and faith - no acknowledgement that the past would never be the same and the future would be with different people - just using the same names

She cheats on him, when he does it in return, "How could you?" How could he not? Why SHOULD he not?

She does things with the lover she won't do with hubby? Why? She';s afraid she'll lose him! Why no concern about losing hubby?

He should insist on regular oral and at least occasional anal.

'You cheated on me, so I cheated on you. That makes us even.' Such a stupid premise. These two will never learn.

Enjoyed this story, why, its not a BTB, it could have easily like many others posted. The husband knew already of her affair, and clearly knew his age and perhaps his name too. Instead of a destructive course of action a calm quiet relaxing evening in bed as the title says it all "Pillow Talk" no angry or violent tones or abuse, nothing just calm plain understanding talk. I even enjoyed his calm demeanor even after she quickly opens up after his confession to his affair only after his discovery, the wife's reply "How could You" to me was priceless, Excuse yourself of wrong but rush to punish for his transgressions only after you the wife begun your extra marital affair. I did like the small tone of hypocrite wife once his adultery was confessed, again a woman of conscious would have just cried because it truly was her fault in all of it. And to be fair? He ended his extra marital relationship days ago, while the wife was still into her affair but only agreed to end hers once it was made public that the husband entered into the same adultery path as the wife. I am glad to see both making amends and remaining married and not throwing away 25 years. Great story 5 stars in my book.

Pure fiction and so unemotional...

Two pathetic losers. Sounds like she'll bang anyone who looks at her who doesn't think she's an old hag and he'll put his dick in anything that doesn't move too fast. These two belong with each other because if they're not they might ruin other people's lives with their pissy attitudes.

"I don't want anyone but you." - Says the woman who has been fucking someone else!

"I was afraid I might lose him if I denied him." - But you weren't afraid you might lose your HUSBAND if you denied HIM?!

Again with the "too comfortable" excuse. Maybe he bears SOME responsibility for not pushing things, but he had TRIED to push things out of their comfort zone and she refused.

Meh....

Simple and concise. Perfectly describes how many long term relationships are vulnerable to an affair. You need to consciously work on maintaining and improving your relationship.

From "We tried very hard over the next months to put this bad period behind us." there should have been several more chapters. How would this couple react to the common occurrences in life now? How would they relate to mild flirtations from friends, coworkers and neighbors; separately and while together? How would intimacy be affected with the knowledge of their revelations to one another?

BTW - In the par. beginning "Jill, I think I know why this happened.", why do they blame sex life declining and the first cause of trouble. What follows in David's explanation is the real cause. The decline in intimacy (their sex life) is a symptom of the other; not the cause.

THIS SEEM TO BE THE FALLACY IN SO MANY OF THESE LW STORIES.

A pair of cheaters build a RAAC.

at the number of readers who mark a story down because they don’t like the characters. I like to vote based on the writing, the plot, the nature of the conflict etc.

In this day and age infidelity is quite common and in certain circumstances it is even allowed (polyamory, open marriages, throuples, monogamish marriages) so I like to read and vote as noted above and not because I don’t like what she or he did.

That having been said, the writing and dialogue were well below coaster2’s usual excellent level so I had to drop my vote a bit. Now on to more of c2’s stories.

Well written. This was a good short story. It show what can happen when husband and wife take each other for granted, ignore the needs of each other and stupidly cheat. In this case they resolved their issues by each others confession. 5 stars

My thought on reading this....He brought up the pillow talk to get her to stop. He told her a story of his cheating to give her the same pain as he has, and as a means to see if she would rededicate herself to the relationship. He also may have done so in order to allow her the ability to love herself again, by giving her the feeling that she is not the only one who strayed. He understood he had some responsibility in the state of the relationship, and was willing to deal with her stepping out if she was willing to come back.

I'm more confident now that we'll be OK. Jill knows I am a pathetic cuck who wont leave her no matter how many men she fucks

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Ficed it for you

As a guy with 46 years of marriage, I would suggest this as required annual reading for all couples. Great piece. Thank you.

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Did he really have an affair or did he invent one to see her reaction?

To those who condemn him for forgiving her and still loving her. He wanted to keep 25 years of his life. He has children and knows that divorce would have a bad effect on his relationship with those children and his grandchildren.

Nice story to read. A good example of Tit for Tat.

A CUCKOLD STORY BY A CUCK WRITER

much needed conversation. The result could have gone several different ways

"It was different. I told you. It wasn't the same as what we had." - Yeah, it wasn't the same, it was better! She gave her lover better sex than she gave her husband.

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To repeat some earlier comments, she wouldn't deny her lover for fear of losing him, yet felt comfortable denying her husband.

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"I needed some excitement and adventure." - Yet you refused excitement with your husband.

Surprisingly realistic, but making it work going forward would take immense work. The ending seemed too trite. Too much focus on the sex angle. He seemed almost robotic in his acceptance. There were additional elements at play than just the sex between then becoming stale. There always are. Not enough polish or effort on this short tale. The skeleton and some muscles are there but a lot of the rest of the anatomy is missing. 3/5 stars. Sad because I like this author.

Too simplistic and ending. After 25 years together, that was a major betrayal. And for the record, he being afraid to lose her young lover and going out ifnher eay to please him by doing many things for the assholr that she always denied to her husband is a big deal, and in many cases woukd be a deal-breaker. And why did he wait a month to confront her. Lunacy.

Yep. Much more realistic than many stories where 25 years are thrown overboard because of a fling. It is a very short one, but we assume those two were able to zoom in what was really important for them. Very well written. 5 stars. Thank you!

I can't imagine a civil and calm conversation with most couples if one had cheated

This is reality. Not that BTB crap.

Too calm. No way I see that conversation taking place. Instead I imagine him telling her what he knows, at dinner time, and either saying he is going for a divorce or telling her it has to end. I don't see him confessing his affair and I don't see him ending it either.

I do agree with others that he was overly calm. He almost seemed uninterested until late. But it was a positive that the story didn't have all the shouting and insults that such stories typically have. I enjoyed it.

Maybe it just wasn't said but, it doesn't appear Jill felt any guilt or remorse until she was caught.

Based on the circumstances reconciliation seems like the right choice but, her lack of guilt and remorse would make it more difficult for things to work out.

Oh top of her cheating betrayal, she did stuff with another man that she wouldn't do for her husband. I agree BTB stories are unrealistic, but the absolute disrespect and contempt she shows by making another man's dreams come true is just too much.

Second reading. This is indeed one of the most realistic LW stories on this site. Loved it. 5*.

Well written but i dont think the true message was delivered. I think he shouldnt have told her of his affsir until he had his run as long or longer than hers and also make certain she ended hers. Keep a pi on her.

The husband should have but the cheating slut loose and pursued a relationship with the younger woman. The wife will find some excuse to justify her next affair despite his best efforts. Why invest any more time in a marriage that clearly means so little to her?