Truth 1 - Lies 0

Enjoyed it

I have always had a problem with lieing so appreciate the guy's quandry. Well written and paced. Thanks woodmanone.

AWFUL; Cliche about man's pride is tiresome

wow this story is pretty bad...which is unusual from this author. A real surprise. How did the Truth "win" ANYTHING? The one guy telling the truth got arrested and beaten repeatedly.

The worst thing is the Man's pride thing. That is so cliche. I expect to see that sort of crap from lessor authors .

WHY is it that whenever the wife treats the husband like shit for no reason and wont give him 5 minutes after months of pleading NO one says to HER " that is just your silly pride"... but when the wife is finally held accountable the man/ husband ALWAYS gives in because SOME ONE says " thats just your pride speaking?"

a bad story with a Moronic plot

better off WITH her? is that a Joke?

The entire premise between Jack and Karen is that Karen KNOWS he wont lie. EVER. Which counted for shit when push came to shove. Under pressure Karen IGNORED what she KNEW about Jack.. went with emotions... and would not give him 1 minute of time.

Karen is a vile ignorant self centered flawed cunt. And the marriage cannot possibly work.

"You're right, I'm happier with her than without her."


lets see...

It is impossible to get past the idea that Karen is so deeply in love with Jack that she wont give him 30 seconds on the phone or in person.

folks I give the jehovah's witness and Mormons 30 seconds before I slam the door in their face.

THIRD... Jack figures out the very next morning that Karen should of NOT found out about the bachelor party by 730 am. He knows something strange is going on... and he knows Sue IS talking to Karen. Yet he never mentions is suspicions to Sue.????

FOURTH then when he finally learns the Truth from Jerry
... Jack calls and writes and call and writes Randy and Karen...to the point he even gets arrested! YET somehow for some reason over all that time ...weeks and weeks and months and months.. Jack NEVER seems to able to say or write these simple words 12 words.

CHUCK SET US UP AND I CAN PROVE IT... TALK TO JERRY.

FIFTH when Jack finally gets the chance to talk Karen and show the proof... she says: "I dont know."

Not I am sorry.

SIXTH... it is difficult to say whose behavior is WORSE!
Jack's inability to say ..."NO Randy it is not my pride. Its karen terrible unforgiveable behavior. WE were suppose to be getting married and she KNOWS I never lie... but she wont give me 30 seconds..."

It is very cliche to use the Man's pride thing that prevent the woman/ wife from being held accountable for her actions and behavior.

Jack got ARRESTED... Beaten at least 3 times... faced public humiliation. Karen would not give him 1 minute of time.

silly Pride?!

HEY

Hey this will go down as one of the worst story ever.

Nice story Woodman.

Well written and far better than most stories on this site. To HIV, calm down it's just a story it's not life or death you know.

Liked it

I really liked your story. It was cute and although your artist license was stretched a bit too far in my mind, I thought you did I good job. Those people who keep rattling on about men's pride are probably men who have to much pride to admit they lost something (or someone) good because of it! :-P
Good job. Keep at it.

Ignorant

This was well written but holey shit this chick is so ignorant.Who wants to have kids with somebody this stupid. Sorry Woodmanone I have liked all of your other stories but this one sucks. Please keep writting. Luis

Good story

Nice writing,Woodmanone. As with all stories there are a few flaws, but ,in general, your storie are always interesting.
60 year old George

WOODMAN I love your stories but you seemed

to be trying to make your story last . He should have gone up to Karen and just told the truth that Chuck had drugged him. He would have eventually have told her this but what's with all the BS that get's him beat up time after time. I think the guy is looking like he doesn't deserve Karen. If you have to make aguy a dufus to tell the story then might be better if is's not told

I kinda agree with Harry too

I gave it a 50% because at times I laughed my butt off, but the problem is the same thing that Harry had. At the end of the story it came down to everyone agreeing that his male pride kept him from being with the the woman he loved after he proved his innocence?

The woman, who she said loved him at one time, literally, literally, sat back and watch as her brother Randy worked him over and handed him his butt as he tried to talk to her, I mean there was one comment where he said he got hit so hard that he barely made it to his truck before he passed out in it. He now has a Police record. He is forced to pay for all damages to the restaurant every time Randy beat him like a drum. The hospital visits out of his pocket. He paid to send mail to both Randy's work and home when he went on a mail campaign to get her to talk to him.

And Randy, the man who got the pleasure of working over each time says "Don't let your pride screw up something that could be wonderful. Ask yourself; are you better off with Karen or without her??"

At this point he has no pride left. No wait, he crossed into negative numbers as far as pride was concerned. No one works so hard to get a fair hearing after being accused of something they didn't do, and then after they do prove their innocence, can't wait to agree that they still need to carry some of the blame as well.

To me it would be one thing if he was partially to blame (like he organized the bachelor party, brought the drinks, got the girls, etc) but your hero, who loved Karen so much thought she wouldn't be happy if she knew that there were girls there. He didn't think "Well long as I don't touch I'm ok" or even "As Long as we keep our clothes on no harm no foul". Be he was leaving when they got there! He was so innocent he might as well had been a two year old. And he still took most of the blame that wasn't left over for Chuck.

Your main hero worked hard to prove to Karen he was innocent. I mean harder than I would have, once her brother laid me out and had me arrested, I would have been done. It wouldn't have taken me 3 beatings (four if you include in front of his apartment), multiple arrest,irritating her friends, and mail storming her brother. That is pretty much stalking at this point. But he did all this to prove his innocence.

Then, Karen did what to show how sorry was was that he had to work this hard to prove to her he didn't do it? She cried. That was it. All the beatings and hospital visits that he had to take for her, to prove to her all he needed 10 minutes of her time and he'd walk away from her for ever if she wanted, she balanced it out by crying. Yep that was fair and was well worth having Randy show up at his apartment to point out how wrong he was to not immediately run back to her after he beat him like a dirty rug all those times.

So Yep, I don't agree with the ending. You had him work way to hard and didn't balance it out by anything that Karen did to show she appreciated his supreme sacrifice for her.

-Risq

Harry is almost right

Yes, it was reasonable for Jack to want Karen to come to him after they finally talk. Randy's advice was good, but he SHOULD have thrown his sister in the car and taken her to Jack to settle the issue. But why does HIV get to vote twice? Is his opinion somehow twice as important as any other reader's opinion?

Well Done

Good work, Woodman. It has the "feel" of reality about it. If some of these negative critics could write as well, it would greatly enhance the reading on this site!

WHAT.?

Half the people who left comments on here so far couldn't write a story at all - but they sure can talk like they can.! In there dreams. Great story and I for one really liked the story and am looking forward to your next. Thanks. JAG/TSO Jack

Pathetic

Harry is right as usual.

HIV - there are many other stories in life

Personally, HIV, I would have enjoyed the story more if it had gone in the direction implied by some of your comments. But you should really calm down. There are many good stories in life beyond your particular view of things or mine. This story was well written and simply represents one way people might work out their life to their satisfaction. Congrats to the author.

Stinker

Your Hero doesn't make sense. I mean, who would take beatings like that? The first time my woman sicced a Thug on me merely because SHE DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR ME OUT is the last time I deal with her. I just can't believe any other man (other than probably 60 year George or The Celt) on this planet would take this Babe back. What happens the next time? Will she have a Contract put out on him? Flip it and have HIS sister kicking her ass three or four times and see if that makes sense.

Different

Well written and I liked the end. Hard to believe she really loved him when she allowed him to be beaten so many times before listening to him... Still a nice story.

Great Story

Loved the Story and Really enjoyed the :Karma"

I get it, you DO use a software program for this .

type rotting heaps of garbage! How else could the same driveling scenarios keep comin up? Get a life Puta, put the real writer stuff up and leave the scene!

Hmmmm

Pretty nice story.
It is just hard to believe that Karen would believe Chucks word after the way he had been lying about her previously - and even damaging her reputation - but she wouldn't even give 10 minutes to the man she supposedly loved? - a man she KNEW didn't lie.
Well, she got punished in the end, didn't she - she had to cry for several minutes - oh wow. After all she put Jack thru, the story should have had her suffer a little more than just saying "sorry" - how? I don't know, I'm not a writer. - Woodmanone is - and a pretty good one at that.

good thought-provoking story

You know, if he hadn't gone after her, it would have been kinda like the story "If Only" by slow_n_gentle. Years later he would be married to someone he could trust and who actually did trust him too. And he would meet his former fiancee and tell her "if only"!

Obviously the girl was stupid and he was a glutton for punishment. It's good to discuss it but people just trashing the story without going into specifics should know better. I am betting that woodman DELIBERATELY made this a controversial story. There is some serious real shit in this world, and stuff like this shines a light on that! THAT is why I like this story! CONTROVERSIALITY.

How many times every year do people go to extremes to try and save their relationships, only for people to throw it away? I would bet it's in the 100s. I'm not satisfied that the bride-to-be deserves him, and he certainly doesn't deserve her and her attitude at him getting beaten up. Sure, the evidence sucks - photos of a hooker in bed are pretty damning. But she should have realised that he's not getting beaten up JUST because he's stupid - he must have some other reason like innocence! Like people have said, she let him get beat up, and Randy then tells him that he shouldn't let his pride get in the way of his happiness.. when she let her pride (aka 'hurt feelings') get in the way of everything!

What the heck is wrong with her? She knows where his house is. Why didn't SHE visit? Load of bollocks - she'd rather kill Chuck than visit her man and beg for forgiveness? He might seem to be childish but he'd gone THIRTY MILES before she phoned. Why would she be phoning? Anybody taking that long to realise and apologise is brain-dead. It's true - all she did was cry before he left. She is not sane. She needs to get her shit together and explore why on earth she acted the way she did whenever she saw him. At the very least she should have been comforting him because HE was the one hurt MOST in this ordeal by FAR! If my girl put me through that and was feeling sorry for herself after that showdown and not comforting and apologising to me, I'd leave, heart-broken but more knowledgable than before!

Frankly I think she is more spiteful than loving: she lets him get beaten up, and then she plans revenge on Chuck when she realises Chuck is the guilty one. Such women are dangerous to be around in the long-term. They only want things for the face value of those things to the public, hence her wanting her relationship with her future husband even after she had him beaten up - she is likely to be dominating if she is not sorry. I think he should fear for his life and question his life to see if he is really happy. Of course this is my extremely crazy interpretation, and I do have more milder interpretations! But this is the beauty of woodman's decision to write this story!! ;)

The story was enjoyable to read.

And, basically I liked the story. However, it was to illogical for 5***** so rated it 3***.

This Could be MY Story and IS REAL!!!!

This is very good and makes the story of what has happened to me and is really still going on.. The "Truth" amd what is real is what's the real story of it all. Mine has gone on for 10 years now but like God Love is real and Love is Truth... I will take Love God Bless You Woodmanone and yes Karma is real too I see it almost every day and pray when God brings the truth to light Love will win!!
Thank You!!!

devotion, stupid

love and devotion can make a man do stupid things. kiss her off and make a new life for yourself. her stupidity will rear ir's ugly again. her brother deserves a baseball bat across his knee.

Using drugging as a conflict device is old and tired.

Truth, in the title doesn't have much to do with the story. There's not much truth being used by the author when he sets up the male to be drubbed for no real reason.
It's interesting to see the comments as if this were a real life drama, not a story created by the author. Harry has the analysis correct, although I'd include more of what led the author to structure this poor attempt as he did.

Read Well to Me.

I read the story, and some of the comments. I enjoyed it immensely. I'm not looking for a Kipling or a Tom Clancy, just a little escape. You got a five, and you deserved every point.

Im sorry but anything less than her brother being thrown in jail, and the bitch finding out she was a dumb cunt, with him telling her to fuck right off for good is the only acceptable ending to a story of this nature

1/5

Well pride did enter into

Clearly - BUT it was also a sense of right is right - he did no wrong and she never confronted him. She was VERY clearly not confrontation averse LOL she was perfectly
happy to confront and declare and posture - so why not this time?

In part because she let her pride interfere too - they both pushed farther than wise just to satisfy their pride and it could have - maybe even should have ended the whole story - but Woody can't let is go that way - he made them come back together in the end - works for me -

Thanks again -

Just a note:

Whenever I see the trite tagline "Life goes on" I deduct a star from my vote.

LIFE ALWAYS GOES ON

and sometimes people are even "with" it. TK U MLJ LV NV

I Like Your Writing!

I don't understand some of the comments, but I like your writing. I enjoy happy endings when dedeserved.However this seems like a push. Interesting circumstances are needed for a good story line. Even knowing that this guy didn't lie, she didn't believe him or give a chance to explain. He tried and tried to explain but she didn't give him a chance. He did more than enough and should forget about her and move on. It is HER loss, not his. Thank you for the story.

Life goes on

I saw the comment about that, I like because regardless life does go on so I have adopted it myself. I am not a masochist so I would not have taken it but it fit the story.
Ed Grocott
edgrocott@gmail.com

Well written story

BUT HEY! it was her pride that was more to blame. Better with than without? I think with this sorry bitch, WITHOUT!

I'll make it simple

I enjoyed the story, a fun read.