What there was of it. I think it deserves a second chapter for those of us who lack the imagination to figure out an ending. Still, what there was is 5*.
While stories with a definite end are sometimes more satisfying, stories that stop at a critical point are sometimes more intriguing. I enjoy both approaches to storytelling when handled by a master.
I learned that a long time ago. I made the mistake of getting into a relationship with a widow who lost her husband in the first Gulf War. The first time I did something wrong, she compared me to him. He was the "Saint Greg" of our relationship. After 5 months of hearing "Tom" this and "Tom" that, I broke up with her as gently as I could. I told her that I couldn't compete with a ghost. He was dead, but he was still there every second of every day with us. She begged me not to leave, but like Steve in this tale, I'd had enough. I told her that I hope she gets past what happened eventually, but I couldn't take it anymore. I hope she finally moved forward with her life and stopped comparing everyone she dates to her dead husband.
This wasn't as tough of a read for me as I thought it would be, though. Great tale of a guy doing what he has to do to get out of a toxic situation.
This tale is a very common problem in relationships regarding mother and her children, IMO daughters are the worse ¡
I have been in relationships with a single mothers with children. Teenage ones are difficult mainly due the hormone period in their lives which cause more tension than normal problem children.
If I could turn back time I would never go there again with a woman who has teenage or children approaching teenage years.
Live is difficult enough with out added complications.
Perhaps the children do love you, perhaps they repress their feelings out of respect for their father, maybe they do not want to like you regardless how pleaseant or caring you are towards them. You are just damn either way with the children and with the mother !
I agree that while the wife did not certainly help the situation, she did not come across as a shrew. The daughter deserved the disrespect, but not the wife. Yes, there were some subtle hints that she was also making comparisons. However, the way she was written, the tone of her words and actions, did not communicate that. He should have talked with her, tried to get her to help, then walked away if she simply didn't have it in her to help. But to hurt her in such a dramatic way? I have read stories about wicked wives who deserved to be burned - she ain't it. She clearly loved him. Her crime was being passive.
He should have had the balls to not be used as a doormat for his daughters wedding. But, he should have expected this kind of treatment.
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Anonymous09/03/14
It is not joke!
I wrote this funny thing in a previous comment. JustPlainBob had a comment from about 2004 or 2005. JPB COMPLAINED THE AUTHOR DID NOT END HIS STORY!!!
This is not joke JPB complained about unfinished story from about 2004 mor 2005!!!
Enjoyed it a lot! Speaks to the critical nature of communications. If Hubby managed his executive domain the same way he managed his family (yes, HIS family!) the CEO would not want him back ... he'd have made him gone!
The second time Baby Daughter was snippy, you sit all those living in the house down (and the address doesn't matter!) and explain that he is sorry Greg is dead but that he didn't have anything to do with that. The question is (and will continue to be) whether GREG would (if he could) approve of the way Sweetie and Greg's children were treating Greg's widow and her new husband!
"Are you representing how your father would want you react to the decisions I make? It is irrelevant whether he would make the same decisions or not! Would Greg recognize that I am making decisions to the best of my judgement, ability, and sincerely in the interests of this family?"
Detecting insolence and dissension within his company would have Hubby counseling with valued employees the first time, and firing them the second, as well as any managers under Hubby who allowed such divisive employee behavior!
It should fall directly on Sweetie to understand her role in managing her nearly adult children. If she persisted in taking the kids' side, then Hubby could, with clearly stated regrets to all, separate from her until she came to grips with her priorities. If not to Hubby, then divorce.
As it seems to be turning out in the story (which needs NO sequel), the CEO recognizes that reconciliation is not just possible, but preferable! Hope Hubby
a) recognizes that CEO has Hubby's best interests in mind (as well as the organization's.)
And b) learns from the CEO's actions how to manage misguided employees!
by
Anonymous09/03/14
The good solution
Generally the single mom question has only good solution with younger kids wich is the common child-children. In that case the earlier kids have half sibling(s). Many smart single moms know this.........In this story the kids and the pair were too old for such solution.
Duna
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Anonymous09/03/14
I Guess
I guess Finishthedarnstory will have to finish the story.
Two failed marriages and letting a twenty year old step-daughter walk all over him. Then running way at the moment his predicament as being resolved and not speaking to his wife. How did he manage to be a successful executive when he does not seem to be very good at personal relationships?
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Anonymous09/03/14
Needs to be finished.
Needs to be finished. Although if I were the guy, bite the bullet and pay for your divorce and move on. May be even quit your current job.
It isn't very often that Slirpuff misses the mark...
I really loved the premise of this story. It's fresh and different for a LW story, yet I'm sure one that has been experienced by thousands of men, every day. I would love to see this wonderful author do a complete story based on this outline. All the characters need to be fleshed out better. The plot could be a real spring board for building conflict between all the members of the family. Please, Slirpuff, give us the well crafted story that dwells within you!
She got a dose of what he was forced to endure for so long. Can they continue? That is up to her, she needs to change the dynamics of her life to allow him to be a part.
You can't win a battle with a dead man without looking bad. If you choose to continue with a second chapter this will need to be dealt with. I will read whatever you decide to do with this, if....
I would have liked to hear from Faith and Robert what they thought of whole situation. The author suggests that their only interest was to plead for mother, but it really would depend how it was. That is why I wish that it were detailed.. viva voz.
Personally I would have considered the moment to act when informed that the uncle would represent the ghost. If the uncle wishes to give away his niece he ought to buy her (i.e. pay for the whole wedding) But even that only be possible after a long heart to heart.... Come on,, he has to know where enemy headquarters is located!
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Anonymous09/03/14
No Common Sense
Lisa just went along on her cloud, happy with new hubby, and never thought about his feelings...just assumed all was good.
He didn't divorce her or she him so I just wonder...if either had dated since then - all over, otherwise...he didn't hate her and she obviously cared for him so...maybe she got some common sense!?
BTW, the ending was fine, welcome back Slirpuff and THANKS!!!
Some of the comments have tried to "whitewash" Lisa's part in this.
When Lisa married Steve it is almost certain that she gave her word to forsake all others.
This means:
Her daughters come second.
Her son comes second.
In any disagreement with others she takes her husbands side.
Lisa permitted and thereby assisted her children disrespecting Steve.
She permitted and assisted disrespecting her marriage.
When you marry a woman with children, it's a package deal. And with any woman, her children should always come before any man. Yes, the kids in this story were pure assholes. Did they cross the line? Yes. Was he fighting the ghost of the dead first husband? Yes. But he should have known that going into marriage. He was never going to be "Dad". Ever. The kids were too old for him to develop a parent/child relationship. He was always going to be Moms husband.
When you marry someone THEY come first. When kids are involved you do have to set that aside at times, but as the kids get older and need less parental supervision and guidance that has to fade. If you marital relationship is not maintained then it will end after the kids grow up.
Will he really dive back into the same (cess) pool for some nookie?
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Anonymous09/04/14
Women with daughters are trouble.
They expect, weather they live with mom or not, to be the princess of that household. If their mother spoils them, then your expected to also. Many times they move back home, because there is 2 paychecks in that household now. I used to work on my daughters car, because she needed it for college, but then I was expected to work on her daughters car too. Her daughter used to loan her car out for days at a time and when it finally returned, I was expected to fix it....not! All I was was a free mechanic with a wallet. And I could not ask nor expect a damn thing in return. if the first husband is a saint, you can't compete. If the first husband is an asshole, you have to do reparations for his actions.....not
the same backbone he hoped the groom would find, let's hope he finds it instead of the worm at the bottom of the bottle.
when marrying a mother, replacing the father of the children is impossible. being a friend is unmanageable. It is one of the most difficult positions to be in.
Jesus...I can't believe it. This is the longest stretch of sucky stories I've ever gotten sucked into, and no not all by the author as this is the only one of his I've read.
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Anonymous09/04/14
5 Stars
I can see how a conflict arises when you marry a woman with a family. Good Story. Beats anything the scum willing cuckold swinger writers are putting out in this category. I see swingerjoe is moaning again, which makes it a story worth reading. Yep, it's in the right category. Glad you're back Slirpuff, hope you stick around so some of us have something worthwhile to read. Sick and tired of the pussies that call themselves writers in this category. (ML)
That the woman will put the children before her husband is all the reason a man should ever need to never marry a woman that already has children.
Let them grow old alone, after her children go on to their own lives.
How was it HIS money paying for the wedding instead of THEIR money?
She had a fairly high paying job too.
He had to know that he would never get respect from the daughter by then, so why was it all from his pocket?
The time to look at the mother and tell her "It's all on you now." was long ago.
The "wife" let her husband down at every turn when the children disrespected him, which was also disrespecting her since she chose to marry him.
I know they had their arguments, but did he ever really let Lisa know how isolated he felt?
At a MINIMUM, I don't care that it's Faith's wedding, he is her mother's husband, he has never abused Faith, and he is paying for the wedding (though as someone else said, why wasn't Lisa paying?), and HE should have insisted on giving away the bride. Excluding him was an unforgivable insult. And why wasn't his WIFE telling him where the rehearsal dinner was? For that matter, why didn't they go together?
CARVOHI -- dude let me explain WHY this story is AWFUL
The KEY was wedding. First Steve was intentionally given the wrong address by the bride THEN he was told that even though he is paying for EVERYTHING he is NOT walking her down the aisle ?
even worst what did this wimp of man/ husband so or say when he was informed of this ?
NOTHING...in the story Steve says and does NOTHING. All we are told is this
...". Even my lovely wife had shut me out." what the FUCK does that mean?
Btw which part is LOVELY? her shitting on Steve OR the kids shitting on Steve? **** Yet this KEY incident is not even raise 1 time in this chapter 2
Because of this KEY failure of the story when Lisa says alot of folks came down on her for they way she treated him... but we dont READ about this and this kills the story.
Lisa says she is in counseling but we dont KNOW anything about this and given how the KEY wedding incident is NEVER talked about in chapter 2 ... the author needs to go in detail about this
The same problem with the story exists when Lisa says her grown kids are Now remorseful and have matured
The fact is that he should have reacted more strongly. His wife was caught in the middle of a fire fight. The thing is that this should have shown uṕ in the courting period and they should have talked it out then so that they would not suffer later.
This was told in first person, conversational style, and I felt like I was sitting at the bar next to the guy tell me his story. While I got the impression that the young daughter was a spoiled brat, I did not get the vibe that the wife devalued the protag enough merit his spiteful abandonment. I wouldn't have bought him a drink, patted him on the shoulder, and said, "you did the right thing, buddy.". Or if I did, I wouldn't have meant it. More development to justify the break would have made this a more satisfying outcome. I know there is a part 2, but based on this story, I don't feel the protag deserves another chance.
English
Why Bother?
He finally did what was right.
To bad it took so long.
Don't drink and dream? Oops. Meant don't drink and think and plan!
Regards to the messenger. Good job. Forget about the naysayers, please.
Glad!!!
Been to long! Enjoyed it. You know how to put words together. Another soon, hopefully?
Well written
What there was of it. I think it deserves a second chapter for those of us who lack the imagination to figure out an ending. Still, what there was is 5*.
A pleasure to read
While stories with a definite end are sometimes more satisfying, stories that stop at a critical point are sometimes more intriguing. I enjoy both approaches to storytelling when handled by a master.
You can't compete with a ghost.
I learned that a long time ago. I made the mistake of getting into a relationship with a widow who lost her husband in the first Gulf War. The first time I did something wrong, she compared me to him. He was the "Saint Greg" of our relationship. After 5 months of hearing "Tom" this and "Tom" that, I broke up with her as gently as I could. I told her that I couldn't compete with a ghost. He was dead, but he was still there every second of every day with us. She begged me not to leave, but like Steve in this tale, I'd had enough. I told her that I hope she gets past what happened eventually, but I couldn't take it anymore. I hope she finally moved forward with her life and stopped comparing everyone she dates to her dead husband.
This wasn't as tough of a read for me as I thought it would be, though. Great tale of a guy doing what he has to do to get out of a toxic situation.
5 Solid Stars.
Good read!!
Please add a second chapter...Thanks
Very True.....
This tale is a very common problem in relationships regarding mother and her children, IMO daughters are the worse ¡
I have been in relationships with a single mothers with children. Teenage ones are difficult mainly due the hormone period in their lives which cause more tension than normal problem children.
If I could turn back time I would never go there again with a woman who has teenage or children approaching teenage years.
Live is difficult enough with out added complications.
Perhaps the children do love you, perhaps they repress their feelings out of respect for their father, maybe they do not want to like you regardless how pleaseant or caring you are towards them. You are just damn either way with the children and with the mother !
Lets have Chapter 2 !
@FD45
I agree that while the wife did not certainly help the situation, she did not come across as a shrew. The daughter deserved the disrespect, but not the wife. Yes, there were some subtle hints that she was also making comparisons. However, the way she was written, the tone of her words and actions, did not communicate that. He should have talked with her, tried to get her to help, then walked away if she simply didn't have it in her to help. But to hurt her in such a dramatic way? I have read stories about wicked wives who deserved to be burned - she ain't it. She clearly loved him. Her crime was being passive.
He should have had the balls to not be used as a doormat for his daughters wedding. But, he should have expected this kind of treatment.
It is not joke!
I wrote this funny thing in a previous comment. JustPlainBob had a comment from about 2004 or 2005. JPB COMPLAINED THE AUTHOR DID NOT END HIS STORY!!!
This is not joke JPB complained about unfinished story from about 2004 mor 2005!!!
BTW 5*****
Duna
Potent Story
Enjoyed it a lot! Speaks to the critical nature of communications. If Hubby managed his executive domain the same way he managed his family (yes, HIS family!) the CEO would not want him back ... he'd have made him gone!
The second time Baby Daughter was snippy, you sit all those living in the house down (and the address doesn't matter!) and explain that he is sorry Greg is dead but that he didn't have anything to do with that. The question is (and will continue to be) whether GREG would (if he could) approve of the way Sweetie and Greg's children were treating Greg's widow and her new husband!
"Are you representing how your father would want you react to the decisions I make? It is irrelevant whether he would make the same decisions or not! Would Greg recognize that I am making decisions to the best of my judgement, ability, and sincerely in the interests of this family?"
Detecting insolence and dissension within his company would have Hubby counseling with valued employees the first time, and firing them the second, as well as any managers under Hubby who allowed such divisive employee behavior!
It should fall directly on Sweetie to understand her role in managing her nearly adult children. If she persisted in taking the kids' side, then Hubby could, with clearly stated regrets to all, separate from her until she came to grips with her priorities. If not to Hubby, then divorce.
As it seems to be turning out in the story (which needs NO sequel), the CEO recognizes that reconciliation is not just possible, but preferable! Hope Hubby
a) recognizes that CEO has Hubby's best interests in mind (as well as the organization's.)
And b) learns from the CEO's actions how to manage misguided employees!
The good solution
Generally the single mom question has only good solution with younger kids wich is the common child-children. In that case the earlier kids have half sibling(s). Many smart single moms know this.........In this story the kids and the pair were too old for such solution.
Duna
I Guess
I guess Finishthedarnstory will have to finish the story.
-3
Unfinished sucks! Cheers!
Would you do this?
Two failed marriages and letting a twenty year old step-daughter walk all over him. Then running way at the moment his predicament as being resolved and not speaking to his wife. How did he manage to be a successful executive when he does not seem to be very good at personal relationships?
Needs to be finished.
Needs to be finished. Although if I were the guy, bite the bullet and pay for your divorce and move on. May be even quit your current job.
It isn't very often that Slirpuff misses the mark...
I really loved the premise of this story. It's fresh and different for a LW story, yet I'm sure one that has been experienced by thousands of men, every day. I would love to see this wonderful author do a complete story based on this outline. All the characters need to be fleshed out better. The plot could be a real spring board for building conflict between all the members of the family. Please, Slirpuff, give us the well crafted story that dwells within you!
I understand why you ended it this way
She got a dose of what he was forced to endure for so long. Can they continue? That is up to her, she needs to change the dynamics of her life to allow him to be a part.
You can't win a battle with a dead man without looking bad. If you choose to continue with a second chapter this will need to be dealt with. I will read whatever you decide to do with this, if....
Interesting Story
I would have liked to hear from Faith and Robert what they thought of whole situation. The author suggests that their only interest was to plead for mother, but it really would depend how it was. That is why I wish that it were detailed.. viva voz.
Personally I would have considered the moment to act when informed that the uncle would represent the ghost. If the uncle wishes to give away his niece he ought to buy her (i.e. pay for the whole wedding) But even that only be possible after a long heart to heart.... Come on,, he has to know where enemy headquarters is located!
No Common Sense
Lisa just went along on her cloud, happy with new hubby, and never thought about his feelings...just assumed all was good.
He didn't divorce her or she him so I just wonder...if either had dated since then - all over, otherwise...he didn't hate her and she obviously cared for him so...maybe she got some common sense!?
BTW, the ending was fine, welcome back Slirpuff and THANKS!!!
Finish The Story
The finish will be posted next Thursday... Have two endings and need to pick the right one...
WTF?
Got so many negative comments you have to hurry up and write a second part.
Why didn't you post that this was a multi parter?
Coz it wasn't, this is bull fucking shit. You should be ashamed slirpuff
some have said
Some of the comments have tried to "whitewash" Lisa's part in this.
When Lisa married Steve it is almost certain that she gave her word to forsake all others.
This means:
Her daughters come second.
Her son comes second.
In any disagreement with others she takes her husbands side.
Lisa permitted and thereby assisted her children disrespecting Steve.
She permitted and assisted disrespecting her marriage.
I have to disagree, twocrows......
When you marry a woman with children, it's a package deal. And with any woman, her children should always come before any man. Yes, the kids in this story were pure assholes. Did they cross the line? Yes. Was he fighting the ghost of the dead first husband? Yes. But he should have known that going into marriage. He was never going to be "Dad". Ever. The kids were too old for him to develop a parent/child relationship. He was always going to be Moms husband.
Actually...
When you marry someone THEY come first. When kids are involved you do have to set that aside at times, but as the kids get older and need less parental supervision and guidance that has to fade. If you marital relationship is not maintained then it will end after the kids grow up.
Confusing End
Will he really dive back into the same (cess) pool for some nookie?
Women with daughters are trouble.
They expect, weather they live with mom or not, to be the princess of that household. If their mother spoils them, then your expected to also. Many times they move back home, because there is 2 paychecks in that household now. I used to work on my daughters car, because she needed it for college, but then I was expected to work on her daughters car too. Her daughter used to loan her car out for days at a time and when it finally returned, I was expected to fix it....not! All I was was a free mechanic with a wallet. And I could not ask nor expect a damn thing in return. if the first husband is a saint, you can't compete. If the first husband is an asshole, you have to do reparations for his actions.....not
um so what the fuck is this story all about?
after all he has been through... He is going to meet his ex anyway?
the way steve handle the "mistake" of the wrong address to the wedding rehersal was pretty weak and small
what's missing?
the same backbone he hoped the groom would find, let's hope he finds it instead of the worm at the bottom of the bottle.
when marrying a mother, replacing the father of the children is impossible. being a friend is unmanageable. It is one of the most difficult positions to be in.
gag
Jesus...I can't believe it. This is the longest stretch of sucky stories I've ever gotten sucked into, and no not all by the author as this is the only one of his I've read.
5 Stars
I can see how a conflict arises when you marry a woman with a family. Good Story. Beats anything the scum willing cuckold swinger writers are putting out in this category. I see swingerjoe is moaning again, which makes it a story worth reading. Yep, it's in the right category. Glad you're back Slirpuff, hope you stick around so some of us have something worthwhile to read. Sick and tired of the pussies that call themselves writers in this category. (ML)
which is why
That the woman will put the children before her husband is all the reason a man should ever need to never marry a woman that already has children.
Let them grow old alone, after her children go on to their own lives.
How was it HIS money paying for the wedding instead of THEIR money?
She had a fairly high paying job too.
He had to know that he would never get respect from the daughter by then, so why was it all from his pocket?
The time to look at the mother and tell her "It's all on you now." was long ago.
The "wife" let her husband down at every turn when the children disrespected him, which was also disrespecting her since she chose to marry him.
I'm not a fan.
The endings not a problem or the length. For me the narrator come across as a sanctimonious sack of shit. 2*
Good short one
Like most of your stories
Divorce?
I think divorce is a little extreme.
I know they had their arguments, but did he ever really let Lisa know how isolated he felt?
At a MINIMUM, I don't care that it's Faith's wedding, he is her mother's husband, he has never abused Faith, and he is paying for the wedding (though as someone else said, why wasn't Lisa paying?), and HE should have insisted on giving away the bride. Excluding him was an unforgivable insult. And why wasn't his WIFE telling him where the rehearsal dinner was? For that matter, why didn't they go together?
CARVOHI -- dude let me explain WHY this story is AWFUL
The KEY was wedding. First Steve was intentionally given the wrong address by the bride THEN he was told that even though he is paying for EVERYTHING he is NOT walking her down the aisle ?
even worst what did this wimp of man/ husband so or say when he was informed of this ?
NOTHING...in the story Steve says and does NOTHING. All we are told is this
...". Even my lovely wife had shut me out." what the FUCK does that mean?
Btw which part is LOVELY? her shitting on Steve OR the kids shitting on Steve? **** Yet this KEY incident is not even raise 1 time in this chapter 2
Because of this KEY failure of the story when Lisa says alot of folks came down on her for they way she treated him... but we dont READ about this and this kills the story.
Lisa says she is in counseling but we dont KNOW anything about this and given how the KEY wedding incident is NEVER talked about in chapter 2 ... the author needs to go in detail about this
The same problem with the story exists when Lisa says her grown kids are Now remorseful and have matured
Harry
Get your head out of your ass you fucking retard.
Nice to see you back. 5*
Good start and follow through!
Very good story
The fact is that he should have reacted more strongly. His wife was caught in the middle of a fire fight. The thing is that this should have shown uṕ in the courting period and they should have talked it out then so that they would not suffer later.
Needed longer treatment
This was told in first person, conversational style, and I felt like I was sitting at the bar next to the guy tell me his story. While I got the impression that the young daughter was a spoiled brat, I did not get the vibe that the wife devalued the protag enough merit his spiteful abandonment. I wouldn't have bought him a drink, patted him on the shoulder, and said, "you did the right thing, buddy.". Or if I did, I wouldn't have meant it. More development to justify the break would have made this a more satisfying outcome. I know there is a part 2, but based on this story, I don't feel the protag deserves another chance.
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