All Comments on 'Back to Bristol Ch. 06'

Gary - even as thick as we men are in the communications dept., by now even Chris would have gotten the message - Molly wants him to talk to her - NOW!

One step forward and two steps backward. Chris is back to where he was in the beginning.

I guess my theory about Myra did not hold up. You know Chris does alot of guessing. How does someone who is a Managing Director or COO get that position by guessing? I said earlier that Chris is emotionally immature. He and Molly should sit down and talk. There is something going on, and Chris refuses to see it. I have always had sympathy for Chris, but he really is pig-headed. Molly needs to find out when she can corner him and make him listen.

You do like to play, don't you?

Boyd

If this were a real life situation, Peter actually has a whole lot less --- so much so lesser --- to lose than either Molly or Chris, so the latter's giddiness may be premature. <p>

I actually am beginning to like Chris's uncharted territory (I hope he loses!; he lost the first round, as he saw it): <p>

Peter has the better hand. Thta's because Molly is NOT, despite her well-developed unfaithfulness, a very strong character. Nor very bright, though from both men's view, she's highly sexual/sensual. Peter doesn't have to move far away; he could simply move far enough to scare Chris, making it difficult for him to see his kids on a weekly basis, simply bying collecting them as Ralph's and Susan's, like he's been doing, with Molly's ardent support. <p>

Molly the slut is now PISSED, too, at seemingly BOTH Peter and Chris, so she would MORE THAN LIKELY stay with Peter, because he's the safer/more stable bet right now, for the last 4 years: Molly's problem: if you're a cheating wife (no matter how your current husband or former husband professed to have loved you) and you're a mother of two kids, how COULD YOU compete with another woman, like Myra, a totally independent, beautiful, and highly intelligent and highly indispensible key personnel at your fomer husband work whose work your husband could not do without? <p>

Peter CAN and will likely start another round of conquests! He should!; just make it less conspicuous! Why not? What has he to gain from being TOTALLY COMMITTED to Molly, now that he knows she WOULD fuck ANY man she fancies, whether it is he himself (Peter), her Ex. Chris, or any other man who wines and dines her and being persistent? Furthermore, those two kids of Molly's and Chris's for whom Peter has been helping to provide a good home the last 4 plus years?, they are NEITHER HIS NOR GOOD TO HIM! They're NOT his biological offspring! <p>

While Molly the slutty woman/wife is not terribly bright (she's a mere dietician before and has been just a boring housewife since marrying Peter!), Peter's very bright and had been and can, in the future, be totally bastardsome. All he has to do is simply NOT officially divorce Molly, and simply pretend to be nice to her, JUST SO he could mess with the family (the two kids) by taking "my family far away from here..." <p>

Unless Chris can become totally bastardsome, coldhearted, he could not win a game versus Peter, who is bright enough not to ever harm them; also brightr enough to GET A RESEARCH JOB ANYWHERE!, just far enough to REMOVE them INCONVENIENTLY far away from Chris, just toe create havoc for torturing purposes! <p>

Susan and Ralph would BLAME CHRIS for "coming home to Bristol" to "drive away Peter and Molly <p>

At this point, I actually like Peter's hand better! <p>

I doubt Gary the author would make Peter a full 3-d character, but if he were to do it, Peter would easily beat both Molly's and Chris's hand, at this game they have unwittingly set out to play against one another! Both Molly the slut and Chris now-the-demanded-stud's hands are hindered by their two small boys, who will be the true helpless victims, if these three adults closest to them decide to wage/continue this undeclared war...

when you claimed to hate Chapter 1? It is iobvious that some readers only want their chance to rip apart plot, characters and author as much as possible.

Personally I am enjoying a story with much more to offer than knee-jerk reactions to each situation. Life and emotion are more complex than most imagine, and more satisfying to read about when treated as such.

Great story.

EVEN HER DAD wants him to fight for her....<p>

Bet he told her all about their conversations and she went to talk to see what was up, and then we get, yes harry I agree, bad soap opera stuff.<p>

You know, the fun thing is, if some one just flat out sat them down and went , and I can actually dream it would be her dad :<p>

"Alright this is enough, you two talk now, YOU Chris tell her why you didn't fight for her. YOU dear daughter tell him why you left with another man NOW."<p>

LOL but it PROBABLY won;t happen.. heck I can see him getting into the romance with Myra and then it breaks up and then he gets back with the wife through some contifluted reason ;)<p>

Probably the 'you still love her and I talked to her and told her everything you told me. you to need SERIOUS work."<p>

BUT while talking to another commenter on this story I came up with something for all of us to think about :<p>

What if the recon is NOT between our hero and his ex wife<p>

BUT between the ex wife and her new husband?<p>

JUST food for thought.<p>

AND for all those that will complain that we should just sit back and stop trying to predict what is happening :<p>

I hope none of you read anything like a mystery or some such...because in them THAT IS WHAT YOU DO!!! Try to see if you can out smart the writer!<p>

Heck, what are those little BOOK CLUBS where you sit and have meetings and go over what you thought the symbology of the plant in the office is?<p>

People doing that are doing EXACTLY what we are doing. Trying to see who done it, throwing out ideas IN A FRIENDLY WAY, usually *cough* harry *cough* and enjoying the ride. THIS is how we show we like the story.<p>

I hope and pray and really do trust that Gary is laughing at us all and sometimes going "Oh wait till chapter X pops, that will freak them out."<p>

If we didn't LIKE the story, heck I would have bolted LONG ago. Heck most of us would have. <p>

In football terms, we are cheering on our team and praying for a touch down.<p>

Go Gary Go! Go Gary GO!<p>

In #5 on that friday afternoon before Peter showed up he said in 8 months something was going to come from that afternoon ...... He is the baby maker isn't he ?????

Today I am deleting all comments on any of my work by Harry.

Any critic is welcome to write any comment on my plots, my characters, or the quality of my writing. Too often Harry has strayed into the area of personal abuse of me as a person. That is unacceptable.

I have never deleted any comment by anyone ever before. I warned him by email. He has continued to comment, against my wishes, and now I will delete him completely.

I apologise to anyone who actually enjoyed using this comments space to have a futile argument for or against his views, but I do not spend days doing my best to write an entertaining story to have Harry make personal remarks.

authur write on/forget these stupid assholes that dont like your writing but what to trash it/why dont they jusy dont read it/this site is full of these idiots/thankyou for your work

Well Gary - your story is certainly getting lots and lots of comments, and you are making people think. You have to be proud of that!<br><br>

Before I continue, I just want to emphasize that I am enjoying your story. However, I see that some people might think I'm bashing if I don't love the lead character, Chris. I hope you don't think that. My comments are not intended as a bashing, merely me commenting on the story itself, and how it made me react. That's what I love about literature, whether on this site or elsewhere. Good stories make you think, make you want to discuss the characters, what motivates them, what you wish they would do differently. So it's all good.<br><br>

The characters you've written are very real, very flawed, humans. Chris seems like a decent enough guy. He loves his sons and he loved his wife. But unfortunately for Chris, when he found out his wife had an affair, I guess he just couldn't deal with it, and instead of trying to fight to save his marriage, fight for his woman, he would rather just step back, and basically hand her off to the next guy. He says he wonders what went wrong, and how he might have failed somehow in the marriage, but it seems to me that he wasn't that curious or else he would have pushed more for some real answers.<br><br>

As to Molly, she's just as passive as Chris. I'm not sure why she doesn't just speak up and say what's on her mind. That can't be easy to live with, for either Peter or Chris. What is clear is that she stirs strong feelings on both men, so there must be more to her than I can see just from how she is portrayed in the story. When I think of Molly, I picture a woman trying to speak with her eyes, unsuccessfully. She might want to try another form of communication.<br><br>

As to Peter, I'm not very interested in what happens to him. He wants his marriage to work, so I've got to give him some kudos for making more of an effort than Chris seemed to have done. He's got his work cut out for him though, as apparently Molly is just going through the motions. Really for Peter's own sake, he ought to move on. She doesn't seem to love him. And maybe Molly ought to be single for awhile until she figures out what she really wants from life, and why she makes bad choices. I don't see it so black and white; slutty or good wife. <br><br>

As to Chris and Myra having an inter-office affair. Well, goodness knows that sort of thing happens all the time. More than half the time thought, it ends up causing at the very least, some awkwardness. Worst case scenario, other employees grumble under their breath about favortism, and Myra "sleeping her way up the ladder," or the affair ends badly and the workplace is disrupted. Why not search for a woman outside the workplace? <br><br>

Finally, while I love Carole, I had to shake my head at her "matchmaking efforts." Tsk, tsk. It's possible too that I don't understand the genre, Loving Wives, and so I'm responding inappropriately. If so, please forgive me and ignore my comments. I don't normally read in this genre, only this story caught my attention and now I'm following til the end just to see what happens.

It looks like Myra has become some sort of enigma, also.. Just WHO did she promise she wouldn't allow Chris, or maybe anyone, to have anal sex.. Not her mother, I'm pretty sure!! And why is Myra so agressive now?? Is she looking forward to asking for some special favor?? And Molly is acting like she does want Chris back and was hurt that Myra was his date.. Peter probably wanted sex when they got home so she went to mom's home.. And why is Molly making Chris out to be the bad guy to her parents?? There are sure a lot of odd circumstances and questions here!!

confidence that the author has a consistent and complete story for us and given the chapters so far, I am captivated once again. My only difficulty with this story is that I have been too excited to sleep in on the weekend as I'm anxious to read the day's installment. We are so fortunate to have a talented, hard working author entertain us so very well!

I am getting quite confused. Chris' thought process and conclusions, though analytical seem far-fetched. Maybe because Chris' actions are geared towards manipulation he paints Molly with the same brush though his cuckold theory was ridiculous. He acts, waits for a reaction, then concludes he's innocent of any wrong doing. He constantly says that he doesn't want to interfere in Molly's marriage - that he wants stability for his children, yet has done everything in his power to create problems for this marriage. I wish he would have fought as hard for his marriage (oh yeah, I forgot, he didn't because he lost her to luv...riiiight). And now at this I don't like any character. Chris is passive, but manipulative. He could have said no to Molly. He didn't have to have sex with her. He now did exactly what Peter, the inmoral did. But I guess when it's on the other shoe it's okay...Molly is passive and insecure. Peter was a predator, but changed his ways because he loves Molly (I'm starting to like him the best). Ralph now favors Chris and in his way is helping him destroy his daughter's marriage. I can't see a father doing that. The only thing I clearly see is that Chris will end with Myra. Molly alone. And the poor children will finally have a broken home. Great hero, what a great father...

Dear author!

I congratulate you twice: 1. On your captivating story 2. On your decision to stop this simple-minded ankle-biter in VA. My very best regards!------------Bavarian.

This has been a fascinating story to read and find myself not wanting it to end.

You've done a great job of characterization ... and that takes time. That tends to be the problem with short stories, there is just not enough time to develop plots and characters.

As a writer I tend to try to anticipate what's coming but I have to say you've kept me guessing.

Great job - I look forward to more.

Regards, Jack

Great Story!!! You can always tell when someone puts a lot of effort into a story. The flow is great, characters are real and complex as in real life and the plot has twists and turns to keep my interest. Wonderful Job. Thank you for dealing with Harry also. Yes he has a right to free speech. That does not mean we have to listen. Bravo!!!

i love it. its so easy to read. the story just flows. each chapter is not short, but it seems like it.

great job! the story leaves me w/ anticipation.

I swear , this is for nightowl.<p>

From what I am reading and what I am taking it. the gal isn't bad mouthing him to her parents, but she actually TALKS to them. Tells them how she feels.<p>

The turning point was the game they all watched, the father in law finally asked a real question and if I was not mistaken was surprised at the answer.<p>

i honestly think everyone thought that the husband didn't CARE but to show that he did but he thought she had totally left the marriage was a shake up.<p>

WHY is the father in his side? He wants his little girl happy,and what does he keep trying to do? He, slowly, just like the two main characters, is trying to get them to TALK.<p>

JESUS FREAKEN CHRIST ON A BLOODY POGO STICK BREAK DANCING IN L.A.! <p>

The PA is the ONLY one who talks here, everyone else just infers and pleads. I actually want to slap the tar and pee water out of all of them.<p>

But then again, if they DID talk, say in chapter 3, game over man, game over; story done; the end.<p>

<p>GaryAPB has us all guessing. As the secretary wisely noted, who needs soap opera when we have this? Every major character is surrounded with enough ambiguity that we don't really know what they are thinking, what their motivations are.</p>

<p>Six chapters in and I still haven't a clue where it is going on. I would suggest that snyone who has not yet begun reading this series that they wait until the thing is complete before starting.</p>

<p>It would eliminate much frustration.</p>

Really? does Molly Really have something to say, and if so, What ?

Obviously, the afternoon tryst was either a) a call for help, or b) she was comparison shopping.

But surely to Goodness this (can i say the word 'trollop') should get off the pot.

Yours,

Kilroy

ps, this is a rattlingly-good yarn

Not too many of those are submitted to this site. The wimp part made me roll my eyes. A bizarre, hopefully American only, cultural novelty. Can't imagine any man I know wanting such a thing.

http://forum.literotica.com:81/showthread.php?p=23505444#post23505444

Much happened in this one and it kept moving.

for giving us something to look forward to when we come to this site. The main character seems eager to discuss his failed marriage and how Peter made him a cuckold.. with anyone that will listen. That seems odd to me. I would be annoyed if anyone even brought up the subject and certainly not instigate the discussions. Maybe I'm odd, but after 4 years, I'd hope to be over the entire mess. We'll see where our hero goes from here.

Personally, I like the story so far, and the story telling. I think that Gary has done an excellent job of portraying several characters.

A couple of things come to mind:

1) Molly says to Chris, something to the effect that this will never happen again while I am with Peter. Is she planning on leaving Peter, and if so why?

2) Molly has previously told somebody's wife (I don't recall her name) that she would never screw up her marriage like she did her first one. Now she is deliberately seducing her ex. Why?

3) Peter is (or seems to be) shooting blanks. Did or does Molly want another child, and has picked Chris to be the daddy again? Did Molly and Peter decide that this was the way for Peter to have children - this is probably far-fetched, and I hope that Gary hasn't gone down this road.

4) Another poster a chapter or two ago commented on Carole (with an e) as knowing too much. I agreed with him/her at the time, and still wonder about that.

5) Molly had apparently been telling her folks that her marriage was on the rocks when she was playing around with Peter. Why? Particularly as she has told others that it wasn't Chris' fault.

6) It appears to me that there are still some twists coming with this, or at least I strongly suspect so. I am not at all sure I could, as Chris, reconcile with Molly. She essentially broke up her marriage, never offered an explanation, and apparently never tried to put the marriage back on track. Maybe there is some information that Gary is holding back that would make this all better, but I haven't been able to think of anything that I would buy - if that is the direction Gary is going in, then he has better imagination than I do.

7) Screwing an employee's wife, even if it is your ex-wife, when you are the big boss (or at least the medium boss) in my book would make you liable for firing. It doesn't matter that she did the come-on, you did it. The appearance of impropriety would be enough for me to fire you. The fact that you apparently are great at your job would hold a little water, but not much.

8) I would have one hell of a time employing someone like Peter with his ethics. He is a researcher, what is the difference between deliberately breaking up a marriage (he has already confessed to just trying to get into her pants, at least early on) and falsifying research data for your own purposes?

9) From the time I first read the first chapter, I was rooting for something really evil to happen to Peter. I still am. I know a man who had something similar happen, his wife all of a sudden just up and left him, taking the small boy with her. I personally saw the devastation that caused. He wasn't as lucky as Chris, he didn't have a job that he could just dive into. Within two or three years he was pretty damn close to an alcoholic. His wife let him take the boy any time he wanted as long as he didn't drink, but I had him come over to my house after visitation, and try and drink himself into oblivion. He finally straightened himself out, and moved on, making something out of himself. The wife eventually got a divorce from her new husband, and thought that she should go back to her first husband, now that he had something going for him. Thank God he saw through that one and didn't bite. The wife went downhill, and now he has custody of the son, and his ex is nowhere to be seen. The boy has had a fair amount of counseling, and seems to be okay, but she sure as hell put them through one hell of a lot.

Now on with the story!

It is with a certain amount of trepidation that I post a comment in this male dominated genre. Loving wives has a very tough reputation but here goes. Thanks to the author in posting this serially. Had he posted it all at once, and I saw the 17 pages and the double greater than sign, I would have bailed. It would have been a pity because I would have missed a great story. The character development has been superb. I just love Chris. I don't know why you 'all ripped him for having sex with his ex. He had been pining for her for 4 years, damn cut him some slack. The break up of his marriage was very traumatic. His ego took a shot, I can only imagine how insecure he felt. I'm not quite sure what happened, I'm waiting for that conversation between him and Molly to clear the air. To compare what he did to what the weasel Peter did is ludicrous. I am not even sure Piers and his wife would look upon him with disdain if they ever found out. Peter is the character you love to hate, completely despicable. However unlike Jennybear I am not blood thirsty, but like most readers I'm happy he got his comeuppance. Now we come to Molly. I don't have a clue. She is an enigma. Again you'all have ripped her pretty good. I would just like to leave you with this bibical reference "John 8:7". I was astonished by the volume of comments Part 5 received. Interestingly enough there was only one female in the bunch. I felt that till a couple of days ago it could have been posted in the Romance section, then Gary turned up the heat. Thanks for writing, I love your work. Geri

I forgot to post the quotation John 8:7, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her".

Geri

Gary ABP always does an excellent job with his stories. Yes, they may be a bit long, but by the end, it all was worth it. The only problem with the lenght, is waiting for the next chapter.

The key factor in the break up of the relationship with Molly would clearly be a lack of, or a failure to communicate. Clearly she was trying to communicate when she showed up at his door after Peter proposed, and prior to falling in bed. At the same time, more than anything, communication problems may have been at the heart of her falling into Peter's trap.

Yet Chris can't communicate with Molly either, he seems to recognize that she wants to talk, but doesn't take any steps. From the hints her father gives him, he should take the opportunity to finally figure out what went wrong.

Yet he too is paralyzed, and does nothing.

One thing that is missing so far, though I anticipate it will be forthcoming, is more information about Molly, the why it happened, why the rush to marry, why she didn't do anything. Maybe guilt was her main factor, she broke up the marriage, though she didn't want it, and since Chris left her for Peter, felt she should go with him.

Of course, until Gary tells us, this is mere speculation.

Like many, I can't wait for the conclusion, though I'm sure the author will keep us enthralled as he spins his story.

andrewpeters

well I dont know who said it but a few chapters ago someone said that Chris seems to talk to everyone BUT molly which is one of the reasons why he went to Bristol to begin with.

the characters have turned into blithering idiots! Either Chris fucked Molly because he loves her or because it was a revenge thing. Molly can't blame Chris for seducing her, since she set it up and needs to accept her role in it and furthermore, why would she sleep with Chris? Was it love? Pity? Her motives are unclear and noone seems concerned enough to ask. As for the former in-laws, why are they telling Chris that now he's fighting for Molly. Molly had an affair, then married her lover and this is OK? The story is making less and less sense, the characters are acting in ways that are contrary to human nature and to themselves and the author seems determined to reunite the divorced couple despite the knowledge that 5 years is sufficient time to get over each other.

I agree with HDK: Chris's attitude is unusual. I would think his failed marriage would be an awkward topic but he seems to cruise blithely along, happy to discuss said sensitive topic with anyone who's willing to listen. It's bizarre behavior at best.

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I expected fallout at work from his dalliance with his ex-wife but there was none. The author's assertion that "<I>... under British law, I decided that he would have a weak case, if one at all.</I>" is weak. It's an unworthy dodge of an important aspect to the storyline, and it hurts the credibility of the tale.

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I can't give a good mark on the chapter.

I have just deleted a few comments that were not discussing the story whatsoever. Instead they were complaining that I had banned Harry in VA.

I found Harry personally offensive in many of the comments that he has made over the years on my stories. He has called me Dumb, Stupid and an Asshole. That is not necessary.

I think it is a pity that he spoils his comments with insults. Especially as he puts so much effort into thinking about them. But, it is offensive and is no longer tolerated.

The matter is closed. All comments, from anyone, that want to continue to discuss this matter will be deleted.

Please discuss, in sensible reasoned terms, the story. Whether you like it or hate it. That's fair.

Okay, you have a man that has made good over the years, and is now a manager. His wife left him for another man. This other man, Peter, laid a trap to capture his wife and in the end he ended up with what he wanted.

Peter hunted her out and down. He maneuvered her into having to give up her marriage and run off with him. It was a planned action on his part, although, knowing the type of man he has proven to be, I would imagine he never really thought that he'd end up married to a conquest like he did.

Meanwhile, our 'hero' has gone on. He gave up, essentially, on his marriage, thinking that his wife had made her choice and he wasn't it. He said himself that for all practical purposes, he never fought for her...'what would have been the use?'

He never quite got over her, he just managed to figure out how to live on. I'm sure that the anger deep inside against Peter should co me out eventually, and then when the chance comes...he's bound by business law and ethics to not act in any way towards the jerk.(Peter)

He has talked about his former life with co-workers, like Carole, who is his 'right hand man' so she needs to know if only to be able to know the right things to do for him. He's mentioned it to co-workers such as the managers of the various interests, only so that, if you recall, keep him honest in his dealings with Peter the thief of love.

There isn't anything new under the sun, and a man in his position acting as he is does not mean he isn't a good manager nor does it detract from the job he does. He's told enough people if only to help himself keep from doing something that could get him and the company in deep hot water from wrongful actions. Of course, now having slept with his ex, the now wife of the jerk Peter, there is true danger in the house so to speak.

Another item that hit me is, he's just now willing to try to fight back a little. He's letting some know the whole story so that they can see that Peter isn't a 'good' or 'upstanding' they have all been led to believe. Peter, in my opinion, needs to pay dearly for what he did with conscious actions. he intentionally stole Molly from her rightful husband, when she was in love with him. He turned her head and used words of love and affection to steal her away for all the wrong reasons.

I think that what happened way back when, four years ago, if he'd have tried to keep his wife, if he had tried to fight for her instead of getting caught up in the overwhelming sadness of a marriage gone sour, he might have found that Molly would have fought to stay with him. We can see already that she loves him still. She's not happy with Peter, her boys are treated with respect but not love by the man...yet she still tries (and tried for four years) to instill that her ex is their father, and that he loves them totally.

What ex-wife would do that? What ex-wife would try to be that even tempered with her children in the case of the ex husband? I'll tell you what ex would...one that still loved her ex so much that she did what she thought was best for him...she knew that her cheating had broken his heart totally, so she left him to ease his pain. Taking the boys as she did, she made sure that those young, impressionable minds knew in some very simplistic unspoken ways, that Peter was not a man to look up to, that their real father was the man to model their lives after. It comes out in the conversations and words in the story.

He is finding that he probably should have tried to fight for Molly instead of giving up as he did. People in devastating times will act differently than normal. Pressures of the heart will cause some to act outwardly, while the same pain felt by someone else will be held inwardly. He acted inwardly and gave up, seemingly...while Peter, who actually stole his family from him got away scott free.

In the end this story has come along almost perfectly. The pace, the timing and the growing depth of characters is a delight to read and follow. I can hardly wait for each chapter to roll out.

So...yes...I truly enjoy this story.

It's not too often that I rush home after work to read the latest installment of a story on Lit. I've been thoroughly entertained by this tale so far, and I'm sure that the remainder will be just as good. Thanks again. **Harry**

I find it interesting that some who comment here do so in a manner to influence the author in the plot and story line. It has obviously been submitted well in advance and on a daily basis (for which I thank you, I doubt I could wait an extra day to read the next installment).<br>

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As stated yesterday I hoped you had taken the care to explain some problems away in Ch 6 that I felt came of the "cliffhanger" in Ch 5. I still doubt that Chris could really get away with screwing the wife of an employee in real life, but it does seem to work here. It is apparent to me that both Chris and Molly still love each other very much and all Molly is waiting for is Chris to say "come back". I guess we will see. Personally I don't know what the use of Helene in Ch 6 was unless GaryAPB needed to needle Molly a little more and strengthen the tension between C and M. Again, we shall see.<br>

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From personal experience, once a nasty part of our life becomes reconciled within our mind it is easier to talk about it to others. So I am not surprised at all when Chris is able to be open about the affair and divorce.<br>

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Can't wait for the next chapter.

I hope GaryAPB sees what is happening here. The number for Really SMART posters here and some authors --- such as looking4it Alvaron and HDK -- now see BIG problems with this story.

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Everyone seems to assume that Molly still loves Chris. But how do we know this? I see a lot of posts from readers that are over analyzing Molly's longing glances...pleading looks... and statements from 4 years ago. Can anyone show any evidence she Loves Chris?

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and come on we all know Molly fucking Chris was done to hurt Peter.

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Lets assume she does really does still love Chris. Lets assume she regrets what she has done. So naturally she fucks CHRIS the 1st chance she gets without actually telling him what is going on...

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sure makes perfect sense....NOT !

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Does it follows that she is so full of regret and remorse she never finds time to tell chris "Look here is what happened 4 years ago?"

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how are these actions symptomatic of love.

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Look we all know Garyapb stories are LOONG convoluted ones and they are well written. That is why his stories are so well liked!!! BUT this is becoming well SILLY. Here we are at chapter 7 and STILL amazingly Chris has fucked Molly but has NOT yet talked to her about what happened 4 years ago.!!!

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How is that possible? Are we going to have to wait until say chapter 10 for SIMPLE conversation?

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My first thought after finishing chapter 5 was that Chris had succeeded in destroying his career. Regardless of their past relationship, sleeping with a subordinate’s wife is a BIG non-no. He did so however, with little regard for his standing in the company. He seems delusional in his assessment of Molly. He carries an image of her that contradicts her willing participation in the adulterous affair.

So what does Chris want? That is the number question in my mind. He sleeps with Molly knowing that she guided the seduction, and it appears he did so mainly to upset Peter. Were Molly ever to leave Peter and pursue him as Helene did, I doubt he would know how to respond.

As you can tell, I am a little annoyed that he dealt with Helene so abruptly. She is the one woman responsible for his semblance of mental health. She brought him out of the darkness only to be summarily dismissed when she declares her love for him.

As for Myra, she should be off limits too because she is his subordinate. Yet he pursues her without much regard for his career. If Chris survives in his job by the end of the story, I will be shocked. His behavior of late has been reckless.

Gary-I love your story and I agree with your civilized approach to criticism. Criticism like Harry's is uncivilized abuse and does not move the process of civilized discourse along. I love your story. Many criticize the various behaviors of the parties as not being rational or reasonable. Many times affairs of the heart are not. Many times people do something because they are caught up in the moment, as I suspect Chris was when he slept with Molly. I love your stories and writing. You are an excellent writer technically and your stories are so realistic and civilized. Keep up the good work.

I think the story is going well. I really have no idea what is coming. At first I thought it was going to be a straight reconciliation and that we would find out Molly was coerced. I thought we would see that she was so ashamed of what happened that she decided to be the best possible wife for peter even though she didnt love him. <p><p>

Now Im not really sure what is going to happen. Molly may just be having buyers remorse and regret throwing away Chris who is now even more of a catch than before (more successful, in better shape, other women chasing after him which does increase desire in some shallow people). <p><p>

I dont think there is anything to show that Molly is some kind of stupid slut though. Maybe she is shallow. Maybe her love for Chris was never deep and her current interest in him is more to do with his money/power than any residual feelings. I dont think she is come kind of cold blooded mercenary who is just fucking with Chris and Peter's lives because she can though. <p><p>

I also dont think Chris is some kind of amoral shit who doesnt care for people and is willing to trample everyone if they get in his way. <p><p>

I still think that we will find out something bad (worse) about Peter wrt the original Molly seduction. The only thing that makes me doubt this theory is that so many people stand up for him. At the very least, you would think Molly would hate him if he took advantage of her and broke up her marriage to a man she loved deeply. Maybe the clues about Molly's lack of feeling for Peter and her sticking up for Chris are just red herrings and she really is just a bimbo. Maybe Chris will live happily ever after with Myra. That the story can go so many different ways and has so many indicators/clues without spelling the end in no uncertain terms. <p><p>

Enjoying the story very much (especially now that its moving along a slightly faster clip - wouldnt want the author to get a swelled head :). Thanks very much for writing.

that I think Chris and Peter had crossed paths, with the latter becoming a better person despite his previous deviant, "wife-seducing" life, while the former becoming exactly like what he hated the most: someone who fucked a married woman who's not his wife! <P.

one of the "arguments" was no matter what, Molly "was Chris's," and that they had two kids together; and that Peter came in between them and destroyed that marriage... that love.... <p>

what kind of "logic" is that? <p>

if Molly was an upstanding, strong, and FAITHFUL person, would she have allowed herslf wined and dined by a single man until she started having "strong feelings" for him? the answer is, NO! <p>

Molly BELIEVES then, and still did now, that "a woman is free to do as she please," a phrase USED OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore not valid, much less sound... <p>

fact is, once a woman and a man decided to marry and build a life together, who have started having children, who have started settling themselves with mortgage and other life-long duties .... they are no longer "free to do" as they please, individually. <p>

::::::::::::: any way.... <p>

in a court of law, in a sexual relations vilations case or in a case of conflict of interest, the argument that most readers and Chris have going for them --- that "Peter was the bad man who destroyed our family life.... and so I feel I should be able to do the same to him, his wife, my former wife, and his life, to see the hurt he heaped upon me" --- IS NOT GERMANE. won't even be admitted by the judge. <p>

anyway.... insofar as "story/character analysis" goes, if you're talking about true test of loyalty and dedication, of love and nurturing, Helen epitomized it. She was also supposed to be as beautiful as HELE OF TROY, the story wanted to say! Even Molly acknowledge that, from pictures she saw when Helen, Chris and his two boys were vacationing in South Africa...! <p>

We don't know much about Myra, other than her indispensible role in the corporate giant they worked for, as well as being very beuatiful..... but Helen..... <p>

.... as the author Salamas said..... she was the one woman who --- despite her own sorrow --- nurtured Chris back to being a whole human again; she even knew when to give him space, so he could reflect on his sad past during a certain day of the year, in all the time they're together. <p>

talking abour fighting for someone you loved: Helen did it, time and again, not once or twice but through the years she and Chris were together. Helen left Chris, and Bristol, but with her head high, saying, smiling in a sorrowful way, "You can't say a woman didn't try." to his credit, Chris actually had the wisdom to acknowledge that she deserved someone better than him, someone who would love her deeper than Chris was willing or able... <p>

but to me, that's real love, real friendship, real trust: a person who cried and laughed with you, who nurtured and loved and gave you trust, fedility, and hope during your darkest moments.....<p>

to me, Molly was a very SHALLOW person, even if she was the first woman Chris loved and the mother of his two sons. <p>

if the "logic" is that by sleeping with Chris she was punishing Pete for breaking up hers and Chris's family, I don't what planet such a logic got started from.... <p>

how's that "punishing" Pete? was that supposed to make Peter jealous and love her more? LOL! she didn't learn from her first set of mistakes: sleeping with another man didn't make the one you're currently married to love you more or deeper!!!

Great work Gary! It seems that neither Chris nor Molly wanted their marriage to end, but neither seemed to sufficiently want to keep it going. Chris became convinced that Molly truly preferred to be with Peter. My original thought was that Molly had been somehow coerced into leaving Chris, but I'm beginning to wonder if she didn't just become somehow equally convinced Chris was looking for a way out of the marriage. Who could do such a thing, and why? Well, Susan does have that overpowering need to keep the grandchildren close and she is certainly in a position to exert a great deal of pressure on Molly. Just some food for thought.

Congratulations, you write a fascinating story. I wish I could follow the plot machinations a little more clearly, but it is too confusing for me. I do notice that Chris may be broken hearted but he sure is not celibate. I hope that, at some point , you will clarify the plot line . I'm looking forward to next chapter.

60 year old George

Seems I'm about 1/4 through the story. Still enjoying it. The only problem is that Chris hasn't figured out Molly wants to talk. Hard to belief in a professional like Chris that he hasn't picked up on this. Still looking forward to the rest of the story.

Yet another idiotic comment from "devildog" !!

why the hell can't they TALK??????????

As another comment says why can't they talk. For an MD he is so stupid. A lowly filing clerk would have more insight than him he is such an idiot.

You write well but your logic is flawed in this chapter.

Dragging on and on

There characters are setting world records for non-communication. Hard to imagine that happening. All-in-all it's a hell of a story though.

At times the differences between British English and American English are interesting and I enjoy reading the British version. At other times the differences annoy the hell out of me. I don't know why. I do know that I'm really tired of reading "collect" and "fancy" in this story.

You warned us of flawed characters. I am fascinated by this story. Every time I think I know what is going on the trajectory curves.

Thank you for sharing this story.

For your next twist. Is Peter going to be Gay or on Wednesday is he banging somebody from work?

Lots to await for in the relationship between Peter and Molly...

Has Molly been playing around for years...? still doing it?

On the first read, I was disappointed in this chapter.

Chris still cares about Molly and is not over her. It's also painfully obvious that she bitterly regrets the divorce and is in an unhappy marriage. By seducing him and deliberately getting caught, Molly was nuking her marriage with Peter to give Chris some payback... all in the hope that he'd reconcile.

I expected Chris would forgive his ex-wife and offer her a chance to be a family again with their two boys... but no!

Subconsciously, Chris isn't done getting payback on Molly for cheating on him. Now that she desperately wants him back... he starts an affair with Myra!

Molly's now stuck in the ruins of her incinerated marriage with Peter, while Chris is getting his balls emptied by the hot younger assistant. At the same time, Peter gets his heart ripped out by Molly's betrayal and is desperate to hold onto his wife... but she's now mooning over her ex-husband like a lovesick teenager.

It's actually a brilliant bit of prolonged mental torture on the cheaters. A slow-roasted BtB... that they both richly deserve.

Peter is feeling a tad insecure and Molly has never really been happy with him and feeling guilty about what she did to hurt Chris? Me, I'd be thinking Myra, but he's got two sons with the woman who he still loves and who still loves him so I know whom I'm betting on. Signed: BTW

After six chapters there only seems to be one question thats relevant ‘is molly some sort of demented psycho bitch?’ It would explain much.

Detective stories

I'm curious, but he's beginning to remind me of bad mystery television. You know the ones - there are three questions the investigator HAS to ask: where is the dog? Whose jewelry is this? Why were the lights turned off? The detective asks one, but never gets to the other two. You're watching, and you shout 'Nooo!' Twenty to thirty minutes later, he asks those very same questions. Aargh!

For fuck's sake! Just ask her: why did you leave me?

Four or five chapters, tops.

Yes, this is building to a good story, I suspect that there will be unexpected twists before the end. But for this top of the range company executive he sure is handling it badly, from day one when he shouldn't have lost the love of his life. Now instead of moving on with the lovely Myra he continues to bother about his wife. Like a similar comment below (although this is far more course) he should take her to bed, give her the best fucking of her life, tell her how much he still loves her, put his arms around her, slowly, sensually caress her body and when she is at her most vulnerable ( that's when I would be, so I am talking from experience - if you ever meet me lol) ask her bluntly " how the fuck did we get into this situation, why did you divorce me for someone like him". I suspect the reason will be far more complex than any of us imagine, that's why the story asn't really got going yet.

Pretty much every MC here is morally bankrupt and it’s only chapter six, sixteen to go by the end of which…well who knows.

Getting a bit confused.

The boss is definitely exposing himself to some corporate wrongdoing.

The children seem to be more mature and complicated for their age. Elsie is a difficult term for them to coin.

Starting with the previous section, I feel like I am reading a different story by a different writer. I liked it better before.

Still Here! Quagmire for sure.

What kind of man wants his woman to keep hair under her arms and on her legs? That's disgusting. Sickening. Body hair is more a masculine feature. If he wants a hairy body why doesnt he fuck a dude

5. stars

@anon. Some men don't want little girls. Much of Europe doesn't share the hairless fetish of Americans and their secret or not so secret desires for the underage.

Personally I have no problems with armpit hair, not such a fan of the heavily hairy elsewhere mind you. But you do make an interesting point, or rather prove an example, of how easy it is to control people and make them think things that clearly don't make sense. As all women have hair, it must be a sign of being a woman. That you think it makes them male, makes me wonder how aroused you get over shaven males. Tbh like the little cuck you obviously are I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were completely shaved yourself. Nothing like those microcuts to help spread disease.