All Comments on 'Visiting Richard Gronier'

5* for the old Ohio style. I always enjoy reading an Ohio story especially his earlier ones. I wish that there would have been a conversation when Richard was in the paper to see how wife was taking realizing how much of a fool she had been. A recurring theme for Ohio is the power a secret gives the person who has it over the other person. I am not sure I get this since the other person is not aware of it.

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Dont agree with some comments,he is a first class arsehole.She should have taken the girs and left him.Not seeing the girls everyday would give a taste of his own medicine.

Excellent!

Ohio has been gone from the site for years or I would have written directly to him.

I see stories like this as educational and of great social value, thus I must comment.

Guilt when unresolved is destructive. The wife could not talk to her husband because she feared losing him, so she was basically a prisoner unable to act. She needed to confess her affair and deal with the consequences. She would have either been forgiven or divorced, but there would have been resolution. From the husband's side, once he learned of the affair, and certainly after driving the seducer away, he should have confronted her with love assuring her of love and forgiveness. Then the could have discussed everything openly and found resolution, instead of leaving a fused bomb ready to explode by a minor disturbance.

Now, there is another problem. When people an imperfect feel that another person needs to earn their forgiveness it becomes the power game Sebastian explained. As and imperfect man I need to have forgiveness freely given by grace from those who love me. When I have that, then I have learned also to freely forgive the ones I love.

Confession and forgiveness are essential to a happily ever after partnership.

Good counsellors will lead struggling couples to accomplish that end.

THC

What really happened... Liz laughed her ass off since she had fucked Tom Bernardo, Richard and Dr. Sebastian every week while pulling the wool over her idiot husband's eyes. Alan was a complete fool sissy wimp cuck without even knowing it. He was dumb enough to trust a cheating skank slut and take her lying for honesty. Then one night when Liz was letting all three men gang bang her there was a knock on the motel room door. When they opened it, nobody was there but there was a package addressed to Liz. When she opened it and read the note she was puzzled until Bernardo yelled out NO!!!!! Right before the explosion. The note read, "Bang, you're all dead, love Alan"

The husband is too easily and quickly mollified

This was a very engaging story. I liked how Alan handled the affair - he was able to take a huge measure of revenge against the man who seduced his wife as well as put her to the test to see what she would do on her own without his direct influence in confronting her. I think that provided him with a measure of certainty that she was indeed invested in their relationship and marriage and it was what was able to sustain him for the next 8 years.

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However, the problem with that is since Liz thought she got away with it, she never evaluated her own behavior in a way that meant being sensitive to the emotional harm she HAD done to Alan. This was the huge downside of Alan's plan - he was trusting on Liz to learn her lesson about cheating, or essentially he was trusting in her nature to come through, but he never expressed his hurt to her so that she could understand fully what she had done.

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I really liked the concept and I thought it was pulled off really well. I'm giving this a 5/5 from me, not something I do a lot. The only real complaint I have is that I would have liked to explore Liz's feelings a bit more around her affair fog (it's a real thing, people look it up).

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In case people are wondering - affair fog is basically limerence or an intense OCD like feeling of infatuation with another person. It's not real love because there is a shit ton of projection going on that is reinforced with a sort of euphoria many people get from committing adultery that is often tied to the illicit or secret nature of the affair. Liz was absolutely in this state of mind, there are a couple of major hints here. The first one was when she recognized that her feelings of friendship and emotional connection were not being returned - she was projecting a deeper meaning on their affair than what actually existed, likely because of the vulnerable state she was in and in the way that he seduced her. Then later, when she describes coming out of the affair fog - it was like a fever broke or a switch flipped. This doesn't happen when people are legitimately in love - if your wife or husband goes away for a week you don't suddenly just lose all emotions for them. Rather, with people in an affair fog - once the affair partner is taken away, it typically breaks pretty quickly.

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This may sound very convenient, almost like an excuse - but it's not, it's more of an single explanation about why people can do shitty things out of a lot of explanations. It just helps you understand better why people do stuff. Anyway, the point is that it's a lot different than someone who has a genuine "love affair" - because once that fog has lifted, the cheater can have a wide array of reactions. Everything from depression, to shame, anxiety, etc. I personally know of an instance where a cheating fiancée had a severe mental breakdown and a self deletion attempt - not because her affair ended, but because the fog lifted and she was overcome with shame. Her poor fiancé had no clue until he read her "goodbye" letter.

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Anyway, extremely excellent story - a mix of the fantastical and the real. 5/5

its like how i met your mother episode where barny and robin start to fight someone gets naked and have sex.

good solution if ur hot and can do every he wants

Thoroughly enjoyed the story again.

One "Anonymous " comment" mentioned being weak and going after the other male and not talking to her.

There's a huge amount of satisfaction sussefully defeating and tormenting the smug interloper. When they're looking over their shoulder all the time... they are preoccupied w/their own safety. When the dangerous angry husband is in sight... flight or fight. It's been my experience most run. Those that don't run, have backup. But there IS always another day. AND YES, She suffered comments and anger. Until I was Done. Several years worth. Then I put her on the street and got child support from her. Court ordered.

Oh... it's been 40 years and the interlopers that are still alive turn grey when they see me unexpectedly.

Angry...? You fucking bet! Getting shit on all your life can make a kind man very bitter and dangerously resentful.

He should've said something to Liz your not participating in the love making it seem like a blow up sex doll.. Your mind doesn't seem to be here. Then should say if we can't talk about the problem maybe we should separate to see what her reaction is

A well-written tale of how a man with no self-respect deals with his wife's affair - by going after the guy she cheated with and not her, then suppressing it in for years before he can't take it anymore and he gives in and takes her back after getting enough sex. Every cheating wife dreams of a husband this foolish and gullible.

1 star for the protagonist. 5 stars for the writing.

When she was having the affair and they were having sexyes I said sex. She wasn't making love to him with her thoughts on Rich. He picked up this. This is when he should've confronted her about not being fully involved like being a sex doll. Why did her bosses have them not at least say something to there spouses to help them understand what was happening. They should've known this would create friction in their marriage. If not they weren't very inept. Why didn't Liz get out of her car after Alan confronted her about her affair. She should've calledcin sick and addressed the issue with Alan then instead of waiting for it to fester. Not very smart on her part.

Well written. I wish Ohio would become a regular contributor again

Did he go and tested. Did she go and get tested. Since he was hound you don't know how many women he banging at this time. He could have all kind of diseases. She put her husband in jeopardy along with herself. After he put stop to this they should've went to the doctor for test. This would have embarrassed her and exposed her affair.

He should've confronted her with more determination and not let her skate the issues. She should've come clean about what was happening. Then they both should go into therapy. After whet he went through the first time I can't imagine what he was going through the second time. He also should've made him pay for the PI.

Hooray.!

Initially Liz's affair was presented as just two people boffing yet later in the story it became clear that it meant a whole lot more to Liz than that as demonstrated by how badly she took it when her boyfriend dumped her.

I also couldn't work out why a man as devastatingly attractive as Gronier was married to a '250 pound woman who sweats'. Yes, I know she was an heiress but surely a man with Gronier's pulling power could have found himself a prettier heiress?

Still, it was a compelling read, as is customary with ohio's work and I thoroughly enjoyed it. JR

Interesting dichotomy here. She lied during the time she was being seduced. That was a conscious emotional betrayal. She lied to him every time he asked about Richard and asked if anything was wrong. She lied to him while she was recovering from the end of her affair. She basically lived a lie for the eight years afterward by not coming clean about the affair. He on the the hand lied to her for eight years allowing her to believe that he did not know about the affair thus allowing her to be believe that she there were no residual effects on him that she had to worry about. That of course was the foundation of his being about to resume the emotional side of their marriage. What was the bigger lie ? My problem with her if that after she realized she was being used for sex she did not end the affair ! She clearly was emotionally involved in a way not really clear from the story. He on the other hand made a clear premeditated attack on the the affair with a clear well-thought strategy for coping with his knowledge of the affair.

My gut reaction is they should have gotten therapy when they had the problems with their daughter's cancer. He got relief by working she got relief by both working and drifting off into a dreamworld where she could forget about her real world and spend her time fucking and daydreaming about fucking Richard. I she was a short-term winner during the affair and a long term winner when he buried the affair. He on the other hand was a huge loser when he discovered the affair and a long term loser when he buried the whole thing in his subconscious. Sorry but the whole thing was inititated by her actions. He was the bigger loser.

Author is a cum eating faggot

This was both sad but realistic. Yes she made a terrible choice until the affair was ended after six weeks against her wishes. But she was floundering and vulnerable with her child fighting cancer and in the crooshairs of a predator. She felt emotionally drained and disconnected from her husband because all she had in common with him at that time was pain and worry over her child. That is most likely why she was upset when the asshole was forced to break it off. She thought the asshole was her emotional lifeline.

As we learn later it wasn't the sex being better. It was escapist fantasy for her after seduction by a gifted predator. How long it would have lasted without intervention? Dunno. But any self respecting husband never lets it last unless plotting some over the top revenge. Should always confront and intervene. I personally couldn't do it that way. I would certainly threaten the asshole and burn him down the line, but would not let sleeping dog lie with the wife. Would have it out then. Probably would blow up the marriage but no way could keep such a long term secret.

The counseling was good. Sebastian was on point, though several missed opportunities: (a) explain he was on other side of that phone call and why she was so distraught to have asshole tell her it was over, (b) how long would it have likely lasted, (c) how to have defenses going forward, although she already proved years of faithfulness and being a good wife afterwards, and (d) why she never confessed ever. Those are tough questions but should have been dissected in counseling. Still 5 stars.

A very deep and seriously intriguing piece of writing. You certainly managed to take us on an emotional roller coaster ride which had some seriously realistic scenes that had an ending I didn’t care for although it was an open and honest answer to a complex problem that had all the feelings and emotions of someone dealing with an embedded case of PTSD which I found disturbing that Sebastian didn’t bring up that fact since it can manifest itself in any number of ways of which some can be quite violent and deadly. It’s still undoubtedly a five star piece of work.

I like the story. I would love it if the author did a rewrite and during the therapy sessions answered the pressing questions highlighted by the readers. Namely:

- why did she carry on the affair for 6 weeks? The “Fog Defense” might explain 1 or 2 instances in light of their daughter’s cancer fight but 6 weeks indicates conscious choice. And there would still be a deep hole for her to work out of even then!!! Why did she continually make the choice to keep going?

- Why did she resist ending the affair?

- would she eventually have ever ended the affair? What would have had to happen for that to occur?

- After the affair was ended against her will did she feel she was settling with her husband? If not why not?

-The PI said there didn’t appear to be any feeling on their part but what feeling did she have for the predator? Any.? What? Why?

- what defenses could she employ in the future? Perhaps bringing up her husbands positives and how much she loves him whenever a predator tried to establish a cocoon of intimacy with her. Just saying I’m a married woman’s or showing her ring is just a challenge to dishonorable pricks like that!

If trust is to be rebuilt to truly prevent a “next time” these questions need answers. There is always going to be another guy trying to get in her pants and another life crisis so she needs the insights to be prepared! I don’t believe she necessarily has to be worn down in the future should such a situation occur.

Richard preyed on her during a time in her life when she was extremely vulnerable, dealing with one of her daughter's having cancer. He's an experienced pussy hound and kept at her for quite some time and eventually her defences caved (every women does in the end; it's only a matter of time sadly). Given how loving and devoted she seemed to be outside of that whole affair window, I'd like to think the only reason she faltered was because of the emotional turmoil of dealing with one of her children having cancer - that would play havoc with anyone's emotions. And no doubt that bastard Richard capitalized on it to secure the kill. And once she was in his web, well it was game over for her. It's a shame but it seems to have worked out in the end. I couldn't have put up with that shit personally. You cheat and you are dropped. No excuses.

I was afraid she would explode in anger when she realized he had blitzed her love affair, coming between her and her lover. Whew!

I wou0ask for compensation from him to keep it quiet. Maybe a $100,000.00 dollars. Or at least what I paid the PI.

He thought it wasn't any worse than he had aleady imagined. Well, that should've went out the window when be heard the convo of Richard calling off the affair. His wife was devastated by the news and wanted to know if it was because of another woman. She had obviously fallen for her lover and did not want it to end. If Richard wouldn't have ended it, she would've likely ended up leaving Alan, or at least wanting to. After the affair was ended, she basically just settled for what she had.

Have to say I would be on the fence about divorcing this wife. He ended it with Gronier lover, not her. That implies she would have continued, either out of mental instability or what-ever doesn't matter really. The fact he acted that way years later suggest some sort of emotional PTSD. So how could he be sure she would not trigger it again with inappropriate actions? Particularly if it was instigated by a continued mental vulnerability on her part. And the children were smart enough to get it had he followed through on a divorce. A separation at the very least would be in order to drive the point home before any counseling. Albeit separation is one of the big factors in finishing off a marriage.

She turned to face me. "I would never have jumped into bed with him just for the sex, Alan—not with him or anyone. It wasn't about the sex for me."

I think that was what caused Alan's problem. He stopped the affair, she never would have stopped it.

Terrific story. Great tactical plan by Alan. He didn't damage his soul by staring at hurtful photos. That would take tremendous self restraint by a person. I think this is what hypothetically saved him. The rest was just hard work.

Well written

This is quite the good story as you captured the emotional turmoil a man experiences when he discovers his wife's affair. An affair rips the foundation out of a marriage and it cannot ever be fully mended. Kudos to the author.

This makes no sense. He's basically accepted his cuckoldry the first time. Yeah he went after Richard but then never says a word to his wife? That's acceptance, He's a willing cuckold. Why is he soo upset this time? Especially since nothing happened. You can try to spin it as repressed feelings but that's a cop out. Someone like this MC should never get married

So she hops in the shower, screws him, and everything's just peachy keen? I don't think so. Weak effort from a usually good author.

I would love to read an alternate version where the husband immediately fries both of them personally and professionally.

One of the only plausible reconcilliations that made some sense from beginning to end.

Generally it's about a strong person who will never accept other than fidelity until the last few paragraphs when he turns into an eager maudlin whiny cuckold.

This character was wrong (his life experience screwed with him)but it was explained in a way that made it feasible.

Well I read the comments and your either a colossal cuck dumbass or an insightful mature author who knows how to convey emotions. I vote for the latter. You did explore your MC's feelings in a way in which the reader should be able to feel his pain. I find you to be an excellent author. Completely worth the price (subtle wink). KUDOS and 5 from me.

It's a great story. Five stars! Thank you Ohio.

Great story, so well thought out, the emotions so well depicted and so realistic. Certainly Ohio is a very talented writer who understands human emotions, both from the male and female perspective. I wonder if part of Alan's problem was the fact that he forced Richard to break off the affair and that Liz did not want that at all. He had to wonder, at least subconsciously, if he had not done that, would she continued the affair and possibly leave him for Richard. Along with that of course, he had to think if she really loved him or preferred to be with Richard, and only accepted to be with him because her lover dumped her. Plan B sucks. Anyhow great writing by a very talented writer. 5/5

Another whiny, petulant, angry little passive-aggressive man. Does he think an attorney representing the medical center would risk his career by lying for Liz? These men run away, ghost, make catty remarks, and feel sorry for themselves. Am I the only man not wired like that? I analyze, confront, and deal with what I can control. Sheeesh.

I wanted them to talk in therapy about the wife's crying and begging on the phone when she was being dumped. To me that made it so much more than just sex.

Another great story. Keep up the good work. MtM

Good story. The only thing missing for me, was the revelation during the counselling sessions that he was the instrument of Richard Gronier's undoing.

That would have been a great moment and a powerful message... the bastard did NOT get away with disrespecting his marriage. Hubby brought the pain.

One of the few reconciliation stories that I actually like.

I really liked the story, I wish you could just move on. You can't. He didn't, he buried until it came uncorked. Just a better version of cuckold story that was ignored and fixed with sex

Just an outstanding story. Two loving, intelligent, and mature people, who have a crisis, get off track, and put it back together. Really well thought out.

This doesn't make sense. After the first disaster, his trust level would be zero, or should be. His tolerance level should be close to zero. And you have him waiting and watching and waiting and watching and not doing anything? That's too stupid for words. It's the author intentionally making the husband look bad, intentionally trying to convince women that men will be able to bounce back from something like this.? Seems pretty stupid and pathetic.

The Reliance on the professional counseling here is disturbing, most counselors out there have very little idea what they're doing and rely on a little bit of book learning and a degree to make themselves sellable. They charge horrendous rates for creating a process that is self-fulfilling but never produces wisdom or enlightenment. And most of them stand on a college degree in Psychology that is sold as a science but is far from it. Science is based on experimentation and repeated verifiable results finding truth. Psychology is not. Most of psychology is a lie, and some of it is just promoting another big lie repeatedly. Many times it's just being used to promote somebody's agenda. And the courts often order it because they are too stupid to see that, or too corrupt... because it keeps their lawyers and their friends in the psychology business charging more per hour, on and on and on.

Sorry, not really believable here again. While the retribution against the scumbag predator was appropriate and necessary, for both of the sets of retribution, that still doesn't solve the problem. It's never addressed in counseling or any other time about her closing her eyes and not looking at him after the affair is open while they're making love, thinking about the other guy apparently. Never any admission or apology, just left hanging.

She suddenly changes, but people don't do that. This woman was self-absorbed and stupid enough to commit a marital felony, and having been turned down by the predator later, is upset by that. But there's no point of the story that changes anything in her heart. And all this selfish,twisted garbage in the mind basically comes from the heart, when you get right down to it. The heart doesn't change by itself.

While the idea of keeping the family together is right, there's more mental baggage to it than that and that was never really addressed how he handled that for seven or eight years. The anger against the Predator could be diminished, but it wouldn't be against her. No way he would take her back that quick.

Or does the author just like making weak husband main characters to make fun of them or belittle them? Seems like that's his agenda a lot of times here.

Or are these written by a woman? (A lot of times it seems like it, the writing pushing a women's agenda, trying to spin an excuse for females to cheat....)

And the shower scene is equally unbelievable. A mental roadblock of that sort cannot be moved by loose sex. The loose sex is the problem in the first place and the evil that is the roadblock in the relationship. Sorry, it just seems silly and foolish.

In a previous story, my comment addressed the stupidity of men, in general.

Here, I take the opportunity of pointing out mens' biggest blind spot - other men. More specifically, the predatory male. They are everywhere, usually in positions of power or authority (1st stop - your wife's boss). They are most likely psychotic, having no compassion or morality - right or wrong are foreign, meaningless concepts. It is no concern of theirs' whether their actions hurt people, destroy lives, families and marriages. The only thing of any significance is satisfying their own desires - by any means possible. Truly the singular case of the ends justify the means.

So gents, sole responsibility for protecting your woman from these predators falls entirely on your shoulders. Not a day goes buy that you can relax your vigilance.Its not a matter of trusting your woman - its a matter of recognizing the nature of the beast hunting your woman. It really is a jungle out there.

Another cuck writer justifying the need to be a cuck! Staying in a loveless marriage for the sake of the kids is a big no-no….

Then I went home, quietly packed a suitcase with my toiletries and a few days worth of clothes, and headed back to the hotel. Fortunately Liz was a heavy sleeper—she didn't stir at all while I moved silently around the darkened bedroom. It was all I could do not to shake her awake and shout at her.

Seriously?… your husband has just shocked you with knowledge of your affair…..and your are deep in sleep the same night?

I'm thinking the help of a professional is something perhaps Liz should have sought before falling into a relationship with such a known louse. Still a happy ending is a rarity when we're talking about the loss of intimacy between a couple. I write that because the intimacy I believe is what's lost, giving of one's intimate emotions is most devastating.

I like this man!

Having seen two broken homes at close quarters, he was determined not to let his girls suffer through one. He shut down the affair, screwed the guy for satisfaction, and rebuilt the marriage.

His wife was ashamed and remorseful; I'm okay he didn't murder her or dip her in boiling oil.

A great story from a really good Literotica author. One of the top tier. My first impulse was to think not a chance of forviveness here, Especially after the husband heard her beg the lover not to end the affair. But the shower scene made a sort of viceral sense. She had said repeatedly how remorseful she was for the affair, and had tried for 8 years to 'make it up' to him. That in itself was a dubious proposition which he clearly doubted in the counseling. You can't make it up except through admitting the indiscretion and givineg the offended spouse the opportunity to accept the remorse and choose to forgive. But throwing herself into the shower despite his initial protests and begging like that exposed her own vulnerability hugely, taking a significant risk. She would have to have been a true calculating sociopath or she was genuinely in loving need of him and deeply remorseful. Certainly powerful enough to sweep aside the doubts of a husband who knew her well enough to recognize the significance of the act. Not talking about it, but a heartfelt demonstration. I am not a romantic sort myself, but would have been affected deeply by that demonstration as well. Unfortunately, I did have a cheating, manipulative spouse who didn't show such remorse and became my 'Ex'after 11 years of marriage because of a similar workplace affair. I only found out coincidentally from one of her workplace acquaintances and could not forgive since she pled neglect even as I worked like a rabid dog to build a professional practice.

...and as the cheating slut climaxed whilst masturbating, she shouted out:

"Fuck me Richard!!!"

and let the cuck know what she really thought of him...

Again, it's the man that must except the infidelity. Acceptance is another word for trust. Trust in a spouse or partner may never be given again. The call that Alan listened to was more than enough for him to never trust Liz again, how she was beside herself with grief and begging with her lover not to end their affair, that was the straw that broke the camel's back if you will.

Damn, it's clearly the White Knight Syndrome.

And everyone buys this bullshit.

To believe that there are only Disney children here.

In real life, the husband would have gone through fucking hell....unexplained anger, constant doubts, staunch dissatisfaction...how can you claim a good life when they don't hadn't solved anything, everything was hidden, everything was on hold.......In real life, the guy would be on antidepressants, would have developed illnesses due to stress, nerves, insomnia. His behavior would also have changed.

That's the reality.

Not that White Knight bullshit

Well... Ohio seemed to outdo himself on this story... he wrote one of the most reprehensible wimpy cuck eunuchs imaginable... the only thing I can think of is the old adage that "it takes one to know one."

His manner of handling her affair was pure genius. When he suspected the second set of events, he should've re-hired the P.I. again...It would've avoided the confrontation in the car along with her telling him before hand about the investigation into what was going on at work. Her, having gone through it the first time and how close she realized she was risking her marriage and family, when the next pussy hound showed up, she had enough sense not to fall for his come on's, It's like O.J.T. on the job training. She knew not to fall into "that" trap again. As for her husband, He saw all the same things happening again, Again, he should've gotten the P.I. And I'm sure the P.I. would've reported, those meetings were legit and she wasn't having an affair.

I don't really like raac stories, but this one works for me. All the pain and fear from their daughters cancer changed them, her the most. I think I would have been more violent with Richard, but the revenge the MC got was very long lasting. 5 stars

Awesome

I don’t know if I buy this story. Let’s break it down-

#1. She cheated with a boss, and was falling in love with him. If he haven’t broken it off, they wouldn’t have stopped.

#2. Since when does a company lawyer, have the right to tell a spouse, to withhold what she is doing, at work, from her husband? Regardless of what the setup was, they should have had a meeting with him, and got his “ buy in”.

#3. What wife, would stay out at work all hours of the night, and lie to her husband about the reason? This isn’t the “ Union of Putnams Soviet republic” . It’s the United States, and this shot would not be legal.

#4. Based on #3, I would have gotten my own law firm, and sued her company, for contributing to the dissolution of my marriage.

#5. At the very least, there needed to be a post nup. This woman has shown she has no problem cheating and lying to her husband, even when work is concerned. He needed to protect himself, and the author failed on that one.

3 stars.

Noone told the counselor of the change coming when she forced herself on him in the shower. That may gave helped someone else, but im any event, is an oversight. Ahem.

I guess you enjoy writing about wimpy soy-boys because about every story you write, the MC is one... standing in the shower crying everytime he takes one... takes revenge out on the lover but, lets her go scot-free... then stays married to her and when he thinks she is having another affair, instead of rehiring his PI, he gives her a heads up and tells her she better not be having another affair like the previous one... he could have hired a PI and found out the truth without triggering the previous affair in his own mind... this guy is just a perpetual victim looking for consequences and receiving them.

She is lying, she had another affair. Hubby realized it. She was fucking around again with the other guy, she fell for the sexual harasser and let him fuck her cause she missed the illicit action. The wife is a slut, 100% SLUT! Husband will NEVER trust her again. 5 stars for Great Story, Great Writing.

A different spin, I definitely like it. We’re all human, we all make mistakes, or lose our way, many times for selfish reasons. The soul that has the courage to keep the family together is a courageous soul in my book. Nobody ever said it would be easy, it’s work but it’s worth it.

Thank you so much for sharing,

Good man with an unfaithful wife. I would prefer he should take his pride and dignity by divorcing her ass and tell the girls about it. They need to know if they cheat their husbands in future, they will be divorced like their mom. They will respect his father and support his sorrows. Positive or Mega I've, setting the examples to your generation is must. The wife should face the eternal shame for the Sin she caused. No forgiveness for the women cheat on their husbands or significant others.

Good grief! I never knew that we had to have rules for an RAAC. What is the world of Loving Wives coming to?

This was well done, the descriptions, the characterizations, the reasonable plot. Portrayal of the counseling seemed believable too. A lot of work, but you got it right!

5 stars - even though this story does not meet the rules for a RAAC, I let it slide because of the lengths to which the husband went to end the affair. The wife was just a total SLUT, as was the ASSHOLE - neither one deserved a second chance. The wife got a freebie and only because the husband went the extra mile to save his marriage - mostly for the girls. My parents divorced when I was 12 and I know what they would have gone through. My brother, sister and I all suffered because of our parents stupidity and selfishness.

bitch is just no good. would not have a car that i could not trust no mater how much i loved it . hate to get rid of it but junk and trash is all that it ever will be.

we got a project in my workplace, 85% of the job done in 3 months, but the last 15% take almost 5 months

this story have good start and plot, but abrupt ending

can't really blame the writer, formulating an ending is hard, some(most) time writer just take the shortcut, because that 15% is agonizing

but, that 15% is what make a difference

Good start, captivating development, happy ending. A nice emotional roller coaster of a story.

Thanks for sharing the inspiration.

The story is classic Ohio, but not entirely convincing. I'm not sure her contrition was completely sincere. More, perhaps, that she wanted to safeguard her emotionally comfortable domestic life. Consider, she sought consolation with another man when they had a crisis over the child illness. He was there for her, but not the other way around. Mental illness? Perhaps, but her ability to act and deceive the husband was apparently very good for an extended affair, so the later excuse about "waking up" doesn't quite hold water. His reaction to the supposed second affair tells me he never really got over the first one. Would I have stayed with her when the defacto PTSD occurred? Probably not. In the end, it still sounds as if he stayed primarily for the kids given his own unhappy childhood. And I suspect like many betrayed spouses, her 'making it up to him' doesn't really do that because she never really confessed to give him a choice to stay married or not. Maybe HE avoided it, but she still owed him the respect of choice. So I interpret her actions as ensuring her emotionally comfortable domestic life first and foremost, and contrition after the fact as just a strategy. It was a type of emotional blackmail since she would have known about his childhood after so many years of marriage.

Ohio's stories are often plausible character studies and this is too. But my empathy is tempered by the fact of her first affair, even with the child trauma involved. The husband's reaction to the second event was warranted either way given delayed trauma too. It would have continued the first time without his intervention. So the assumption that she would have 'returned' to the marriage without his intervention is debatable. The bit about her admission about "waking up" is suspect. His hesitation was understandable. Would I have taken her back the first time? Probably. But if it kept coming back to deja-vu like PTSD? Maybe or maybe not. Would her indiscretion be forgiven by years of supposed dedication later? The mere fact she was able to deceive him by omission for the second events makes her contrition and behavior suspect. The ambiguity of behavior and response is what makes Ohio's stories interesting.

CUCKCITY BULLSHIT from Ohio's CreamPie Wet Dreams

When you're suffering through a child maybe dying, the stress and fear tear at your mind until you are actually grasping for anything for a moment of stability. Stress between parents reaches monumental levels and it slowly turns to spite. She and I both found a moment of stability with others, something be still hate ourselves over. You caught the fear and every emotion so deeply that I remembered that I cried in the shower daily too. You presented this so well, and so creatively that I fear you may have gone through it as well. Fantastically done.

5 stars for s great story, and Great writing. I love a story of forgiveness. The most intense sex zi ever had was with my girl friend in high school as she confessed and apologized for cheating on me. Trusting someone that breaks your heart is intense. Love is risky business anyway, but once you catch the cheater they are much more careful about cheating again. These morons that are so quick to say divorce her probably never had a wife or a lover they really cared for. Hey. Everyone makes mistakes. Noone is perfect, anyone can be seduced if the right circumstances occurs. So unless your mr perfect give her mercy and forgive her when she confesses.

The problem with the husband easily forgiving the cheating in Ohio stories is that he creates scenarios where the wives have a total commitment to their infidelity and have transferred their devotion and intimacy to their lovers and the husbands are blameless for their wife's unfaithfulness. In this story Liz rekindles her love for Alan after her affair ends and apologizes to him for being distant and not all there for him over the prior several months. He asks her if it was something he did? She tells him, "No, no! You've been wonderful, patient, kind, supportive... You deserve better, honey." She is, of course, secretly apologizing for cheating on him when there was no fault on his part. Forgiveness for a wife who essentially moved on to another man emotionally and sexually for no obvious reason is a bitter pill for the injured husband to swallow. Alan was there for Liz the whole time and she chose someone else at Alan's expense. The hurt would be immense and for Alan it never fully went away. He ends up with post-infidelity stress disorder (PISD) as described by Dennis C. Ortman, PHD and thus the marital crisis years later. Alan granted Liz conditional forgiveness for the children's sake and she was lucky to have that. They did rebuild their relationship and were happy for years but signs of Liz possibly having another affair indicated she had violated the terms of her probation. Dismissive forgiveness would have been appropriate if he wanted to end the marriage yet move forward and have an effective co-parenting relationship with her. Unconditional forgiveness was rightly never an option. The nature of the affair plays a key role in whether there will be forgiveness by the injured spouse. Only 12.7 percent of couples stay together after the discovery of a long-term affair versus a one-night stand, so yeah, there's pretty much no cheating of this nature that a husband will forgive, which is normal, and if he does it will be conditional forgiveness at best.

There's pretty much no cheating that you won't have a husband forgive is there?

Another Ohio story where the unfaithful wife suffers no consequences for her infidelity other than feeling guilt at knowing her spouse is aware of her cheating, uncomfortable conversations that ensue, brief alienation from her spouse and counseling to magically cure the havoc she wreaked on the marriage. Notice how the author subtly makes the husband the bad guy. She said she was really sorry, and sure, you were entitled to be angry at first, but you need to get over it buddy because now you are just being dick and this sweet, loving woman doesn’t deserve that. Never mind that she gets to describe in detail the depths of her betrayal and how skilled a lover her paramour was and how unhappy she was when the affair ended. That’s all water under the bridge and the sap of a husband just needs to get over himself. Not to worry, the cringe worthy sex he narrates makes it all better in the end and they live happily ever after.

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Great story about saving a marriage.

11/10!!!!!

He'll Yes to more sex, at least being intament with more cuddling. Thanks for your writing.

Quite a restrained and intrepid husband. I don't see how I could have been so calculating and reserved. I get the making Gronier break off the affair. I get the taking revenge on him later. But not confronting her was just a huge ask. It was clear if he didn't force Gronier to break it off and call her, it would have gone on for months until Gronier kicked her to the curb. Interesting dynamic in the later years. Surprised he didn't fess up to her in private about ruining Gronier's life. A little fear and trepidation on her side might not be a bad thing though I guess the author intended us as the reader to accept that she was fully committed to her husband and family after that tragic summer and six weeks in the fall. Also the husband was smart NOT to listen to the tapes or watch the video or see the photos. That I can see being a deal breaker. I applaud the MC for his restraint but at the same time I think it completely unrealistic and not something I would have done.

I'd have gotten rid of her the first time around. No question.

Interesting premise. Different than normal because the wife was actually thinking of Richard as a lover

"He'd managed to make himself into my lover, somehow—as though he understood me, he was my confidant, my savior almost."

That is dangerous ... Much worse than a casual sexual relationship. She got manipulated into loving him and caring deeply for him as a friend, lover, and savior. Ironically I would have thought this to be more likely after a death or a miscarriage but I guess she went through hell emotionally till her daughter went into remission in June and the asshole worked on her all rest of the summer to get into her pants. Of course she pushed her husband aside.

I would have like to have seen more conversation between the two spouses outside of the counseling. The silent sex solution seemed a bit quaint and anticlimactic. Her husband who had quietly suffered for so long needed to talk about it to get some healing. Instead great sex heals all. That seems unbelievable.

Another great Ohio story, unusually for Ohio.it had a major flaw. Why didn't he use the Pi again with the hospital guy, it would have saved all the anguish, but no story could have been writgen.

The MC missed the opportunity to check out Liz and Tom

He could have hired the PI just for a few times but this ain't my story so it is what it is.

Well written.

Character build-up flowed seamlessly.

But...

I wrote the Anonymous comment 19 days ago. After re-reading Visiting RG it's still essentially my opinion.

Have read several other of Ohio's stories and am uniformly impressed with the fine writing.

Kudos and keep them coming...(the stories, I mean...).

Why dislike?!

Very beginning! Want facts pictures And audio!!!! Deal with facts not imagination!!! Friends are same. Can be far worse in my imagination. Also if I know and keep quiet my belief is I am at least partially responsible for other marriages ass hole ruins. I firmly believe that you Not only are responsible for actions but also inactions. Not all agree with me on this but I am one looking at myself in mirror and like or dislike that person

All too often those who write comments seize upon one or two aspects of a well-crafted character-driven story and focus their critique on them in what seems to me to be a knee-jerk and simplistic manner which contains--also all too often--an underlying belief that women are essentially sluts and whores if they have a sexual thought that doesn't focus on their lord and master. Not fostering adultery here--but this entire website is about FANTASY--and if you can't explore fantasies about different kinds of sexual relationships HERE...THEN WHERE CAN YOU? Come on guys, get a grip on something besides your dicks....

This is a damn good story which allows the complexity of marital relationships to come through--not always gloriously happy and sexually exciting but often full of the mundane and/or tedious details of living, working, and raising a family. And yes, also filled with glorious moments of happiness and over-the-top sexual adventures.

Loved it. Kudos on a tale well told. More, please.

stupid cuck gets back with cheating slut.

Quite a story! What amazing self control and discipline,it's almost superhuman. Despite her protestations to the contrary, eight years later, she definitely WAS falling in love with Gronier. How many men would be able to hold it in, even though he destroyed the Asswipe. Eventually he had to blow up; and what an explosion! Liz was incredibly stupid, allowing a recreation of the scenario of eight years ago. She really should have realized that she was enacting the exact same behaviour of her period of cheating, although this time she wasn't cheating! Great story, very well constructed. 5*s.

But btw she was falling in love with the Gronier asshole. If not why was she so upset, crying, and pleading with him when he broke it off. Plus all the pet names and telling each other how wonderful the other was. She lied about that.

I'm surprised it didn't turn into one of those situations on this site where she gets tired of him "not getting over it" and then decides to cheat again cuz "he won't touch me". I'm glad it didn't go there and was a. Believable RAAC

Ohio is one of the much better authors on the Literotica site. Like the commenter Hoary Cleric said, not much new to be said here. His (or her?) point is simply a belief in the liberating power of forgiveness. Can one imagine a husband NOT forgiving the wife approaching him that way in the shower? Nope. I cannot. Beautiful story. While I don't believe that religion is a necessary prerequisite for forgiveness, the moral teaching is an apt one. This is one of my favorite stories here.

Best ever if you like being ground into hamburger and then think it's the best steak ever.

With over 400 comments there is little to add. The story simply is 10+ on a scale of 5

The only only thing I felt unaddressed by the excellent tale of the counseling was why he stayed angry. The counselor touched on it in talking about transfer of power. Her guilt and fears kept her from confessing and it kept her truly seeking forgiveness.

His not saying he knew meant he was afraid to test his own concept of forgiveness and willing to apply it in the terrible circumstances. Ultimately, when love and forgiveness are not fully understood disaster is crouching around the corner. Only Jesus was perfect and never needed forgiveness. Unless we understand our own needs for forgiveness, the concept of forgiveness, is a tool or weapon of power.

The Hoary Cleric

Excellent story! Not too long and without the nonsense that this author and others have added to stories such as the husband fabricating a relationship of his own to hurt and humiliate the wife or worse, deciding to cheat on the wife in retaliation, as if that will somehow make things better and ease a reconciliation. Making the husband into a cad just diminishes any moral high ground the husband may have had and I lose all sympathy for him.

Alan was noble but finally snapped, which is reasonable. I don't think the author should have stretched out the resurfaced mistrust to eight years later as the tension and suspicion would have been more understandable and raw if it had been only two or three years after the affair that Alan discovered and forcibly terminated. Eight years of living happily would meet any definition of condonation on Alan's part.

I liked the aspect of the changed power dynamic with Alan knowing about the affair and Liz not knowing for all those years that he knew. He was in the driver's seat and had control over that marriage during that period. I don't know why divorce was really a consideration after the passage of all those years except that Alan flipped his lid after suppressing his hurt and anger for so long and some of Liz's revelations in counseling and her reactions to Alan's sharing what he did to end the affair.

I was surprised that Richard Gronier had not secretly reentered the scene, and that he was trying to blackmail Liz to resume the affair after finding out the she had never revealed it to Alan or that Liz was back to cheating with Gronier. Of course, if she were cheating again then Alan would had no choice but to divorce her and reduce her life to rubble.

Ohio has a knack for making the cheating wives appear absolutely despicable, thoughtless and cruel in their zest and enjoyment of cheating and getting the best sex of their lives. This story kind of glossed over the fact that Alan should have been outraged by love, affection and intimacy his wife had transferred to another man. Also, Alan knew how upset Liz was when the affair ended because he heard Gronier's conversation with her and saw how upset she was that night and the days following, and that should have clued him into that this was a betrayal far beyond mutual sexual satisfaction. When Liz said in counseling that all she could think about while the affair was going on was her lover, Richard Gronier, and her reaction in learning that Alan had forced the end of the affair and had photographic and audio evidence to prove the illicit relationship I think the idea of divorce should have been forefront in Alan's mind. After eight years he finally learned how easily his wife's loyalties had strayed and that she was still upset that the affair had ended the way that it did. I would never trust her again because she didn't want the affair to end and only came back to Alan because her new love abruptly exited the scene.

Fixing their marriage through lots of sex is kind of silly as I can't see it healing the loss of trust and overcoming the deep sense of betrayal that Alan had endured and the knowledge that his wife had secretly loved another man more than him during their marriage. A very good story none the less!