All Comments on 'Conversations 07'

She did the crime but I have to pay the time? No wonder she cheated on him! He’s a pansy, he’s one step removed from being a teenage girl with her first crush.

Get over your shit, man! Women don’t want done loser who’s all sad and shit because he was dumped! They want a man who they can go to as well, they want a man, not a pansy.

Brilliant

5-stars & Favorite

A well written story... it was sad she let work turn her into a cunt.

As usual, I enjoyed your story. Post again soon.

Many times, when she cheats, then when she’s caught, she lies. Whatever respect for determining the course of her life even if it ruins yours, is gone. So which is worse, lying or cheating or are they the same thing in the end? Well written. Good job.

Great read. No drawn out PI navy seal shit. He figured it out and took action.

I enjoyed this story although I wasn't able to completely buy in to the reasoning expressed by the German friend.

That was fantastic.... An ideal combination of reality and hopeful vengeance.

An unusual and original storyline. The sexual economics was different and an original explanation

Excellent.

that was good. the very end convinced me.

he is going to MAKE SURE other men and women know her value every time she decides to find happiness. he only needs enough evidence to prove how she left her first marriage. a liar, coward, and serial cheater.

it's exactly what she deserves. cheaters don't feel nearly the same level of torture the betrayal causes. they can usually move on very easily. but now she's stuck in limbo with him. her new friends will like her less. her own daughter will one day find out. that'll put a strain on that relationship. her new boyfriends will see her as party girl, not to ever bother exclusivity with.

and maybe he'll let her go, after he's fully healed. and he can move on towards trusting others and starting new happy relationships. but...until then....her ass is grass. and i love it. it's not even illegal. it's even virtuous. because he wont be lying, he'll be disclosing truth for others.

hell, if MORE people did this....cheaters would never do it. the price would be too high. the only cheaters that'd remain would be harmless party people that don't settle down and betray their vows of exclusivity.

There's actually another reason why a wife might put her husband to her friends: To make him less appealing to potential rivals!

Why the hell would she admit it The first rule of cheating: Deny, deny, deny!

"I could never do anything spontaneously anymore." - THAT old excuse! That's part of being in a family. Wasn't it the same for him? You want to be spontaneous? Stay single!

"There should at least be more punishment!" - Why, and who cares about those details? She's losing her family, the respect of friends and extended family and money, and she's going to experience her greatest fear, being alone. That should be punishment enough.

"A great husband. Just ... just not for me." - Not the husband for her? I thought it was just her need for "spontaneity," now it's somehow his fault?

This might be the first story that I have read in the BTB category that actually has a core of psychological truth to it.

I don't mean the psycho-babble explaining why the bitch is a bitch. I mean the two sentences that describe the so-called victims in this category.

"mistrusting all women from thereon out"

There it is, in one phrase, the impact of one experience. This is followed by

"I'd very quietly and anonymously make sure of that."

This is the relentless vindictiveness, the emotional core of so many BTB stories. The wronged man unable to escape from the hell he finds himself in: unable to put the past behind him, he lives in his hell, unable to escape and without success tries to ease the pain with stories of revenge.

Finally, a glimpse into the mind of the 'wronged' man.

he needed more revenge she was a whore that he didn't need

I've seen it so often over the years. Women cheating is so prevalent these days. No fault divorce and courts giving them custody have made sure of it. I have tried to raise my daughter better than that. But society is giving her different messages.

I pray she is a better woman than the rest.

I can relate. Anger, an emotional outburst, all the cards on the table, divorce, move on. No need for PI's, 6 months of videos/pictures/recordings and drastic revenge steps.

This was an absolute pile of horse shit.

Writing is wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing.

the point of these stories if you arent a cuck, or worse a RAAC, is to enjoy the cheating cunt's losses as her world falls apart

a ten minute conversation and half a paragraph about how hard it is for him to move on is not emotive

No meeting of the minds here. Just a fantasy, as a woman would never give up her reputation without a fight, or money, position, child, etc.

But the story simply wasn't very good. He assaults a man. And lots of witnesses will testify that his assault was unprovoked. How is he going to take care of a child while sitting in jail? What Family Court Judge is going to grant custody to a violent felon? So he loses his job while he does jail time. He ends up divorced with very little because of the jail time. He gets neither custody, child support or alimony. What's he going to do with his life? The ending of this story was both unfinished in that you left out a LOT of the details in their divorce and because what you wrote was both improbable and unbelievable. The ending ruined any chance the story had of being an entertaining read.

2 stars

about gossip lol thats a new one. i liked how the wife accepted her fate, all the LW stories always makes the women beg and plead a lost cause, makes the look dumber than their cheating did

How on earth can anyone think this mess was 'excellent'. The guy is certainly going to gaol!

Very public divorce, big legal action to their employers.

Make life as unpleasant as possible!

Lots of social media! Cut them up and make them bleed.

I'm really enjoying this series, please keep them coming.

A lot of the lead up to the confrontation was vague. Speaking to the German Human Resources guy was convoluted, and confusing. I never saw what the signs were that she was cheating. Was it the way she tore him down in front of the other wives? I don't see how that could indicate cheating. Most of the parties I have been to end up with groups of women complaining about husbands, while groups of men are complaining about wives. I would have rated this story a 4 or 5 for scenario and plot, but the story telling problems only rated a 1 or 2. So I give the a 3 Star Rating.

Yawn! I skipped through this 'conversation' very one sided, with unnecessary filler bullshit I skimmed through. No wonder she cheated on the ass 1*

Very well played plot and interesting ideas.

Top ratings from me.

Which is why she was ultimately able to admit to him so easily why she denigrated him and cheated on him: she knew for a long time that she wanted out of the marriage, and decided to blow it up with a meaningless affair, so that there would be no discussions, no arguments, no counseling, no hope implied for him. Apparently it's not an uncommon strategy for ending a marriage.

I finished this one. Can’t say that about 5 and 6. This one was entertaining

Another very good conversation . SBrooks and Kalaximos both made good observations. I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, so thanks for good story.

I hadn't considered the sexual economics aspect before. Makes good sense.

A little different from the norm but I’m not devoted to BTB stories . I like both those and RAAC stories. To the reader who thought he would go to jail. Just tell Moustache if he files charges, he will eventually get out and next time he will disappear.

My wife has never ever said anything negative about me to friends. Shit, shit, shit, she wants to get rid of me to one of her friends.

Hmm, can I pick which one?

she has to pay to for her freedom, about time some put the female on alimony and child support with out all the cuckolds coming to her rescue.

SleeperyJim, you have not failed to impress.

Thanks for refreshingly different, complex and entertaining work.

While I sit in the BTB camp, even your reconcile stories were so well delivered, and your lead characters so insightful, that I just had to give them a flying pass.

It's just that those characters are better examples of humanity than I am.

Special mention goes to your protagonist in Conversations 5, the paramedic. He is trying to make the world a better place than the one he started with. In doing so, he has given his marriage a chance, his wife a chance, and made his son into a better person to boot. If it all works out, he's a hero.

Very brave man, and you are a very good author.

Until it wasn't. I don't know if you intended it or not, but you really had me set up for it all to have been a big mistake, and for our Hapless Hero to have to kiss all kinds of derriere to haul himself out of the soup. Which would be amusing, and give Dear Margot even more about which to trash him to the Ladies of the Club. At least now we know why she suddenly became comfortable with them. Then came the sad ending, and it was sad, especially for poor Bethany.

Very well imagined and written. Thank you for writing and posting.

GA

First of all, I see housewives sit around and talk shit about their husbands like that all the time. It's fun for them and nothing is seriously negative. They do it to bond and vent. What I don't understand is if he heard her talking shit about him, and it wasn't true, why didn't he just ask her about it?

So the super-wise explanation of why she made up lies to bad mouth her hubby to the other hens was if she degraded him, they would understand why she divorced him. What? But, she was planning on leaving him. She also said she never really got on that well with the hens anyway. Why would she care what they think? Why would their opinion matter at all??? That makes no sense? Once she divorced, she would most likely move and not even hang out with them anyway!

Plus, what are all these horrible lies? He beat her? He molested their daughter? He cheats at backgammon? No. He makes funny noises when he cums. Who cares???

I was following the story ok until the psycho-babble nonsense with the German HR dude. And there seemed to be a huge jump. The only comment I could find that she related was he made funny noises when he cums. How did it go from that to accusations of her being called a slut? He never related a conversation where that happened. So, I really could not find any reason for him to suspect anything other than paranoia.

The other thing is there was seriously 0 reason for him to have known it was Mr Mustache. His figuring it out was just the writer working magic. He said hello to her last. They smiled briefly. He MIGHT have had a smirk. And he had an itchy shoulder. So what. That is just too easy.

This guy must be the world's greatest expert on body language and human behavior! He is better than Sherlock Holmes and Hercule Poirot combined.

So, there was no reason at all to suspect cheating in the first place. Then, there was no reason to suspect Mr Mustache. He assaulted the guy and lo and behold he was right. Yeah, only because the author made it work, not because there was any logical reason for it.

So, how much time did he serve for assault and battery? What happened to his daughter while he was in prison? Did mr mustache sue him?

So, at first she denies it. She doesn't even acknowledge knowing the guy. She asks, "why did you hit that guy?" That is how you refer to stranger. Then suddenly and unemotionally she admits the affair. She is as passive as possible. She does not seem at all concerned she destroyed her marriage and harmed her child. But, that's ok because the author turns her into a cold, heartless, self-absorbed person, when there was never any indication she was that way.

Her reason for the affair and everything made 0 sense. She was afraid of being alone. She wasn't alone. She had a family. Then it was she couldn't be spontaneous. But it sounded like she never tried to be spontaneous. So, her logical plan was... Fuck a coworker.

Why?

Because she was afraid to be alone? She said she knew she didn't want a relationship with him. She just wanted to abandon her family. And she was going to leave hubby. What???? So afraid to be alone. Leave husband. Not be with lover..... Uhhh doesn't that mean she was choosing to be alone??? None of it fits together.

You were a great husband just not for me because I suddenly decided I don't want to have any relationship (but am afraid of being alone.)

By the way, when the hell was she fucking Mr Mustache? He said she never worked late, never traveled and never had girls nights out or went anywhere unexplainable. So they had to be doing it at work. Don't they have JOBS to do at work.

There is no logical reasoning for how she changed from being a loving wife and mother to a woman who is afraid to be alone, but wants to be.... Alone. And this huge metamorphosis took place in what, 3 weeks?

The lame excuse of I became a manager... Means nothing!!! What does that mean? Being a manager means you don't want a husband and kids? Being a manager means you want to have clandestine sex at work and nobody to go home to??

So, point by point the story made no sense. Behaviors have no justification. Conclusions are made with no evidence. It's all just impractical, illogical and imaginary.

So, her punishment is.... Uhhh... She gets what she wants??? Oh some veiled threat of telling every guy she dates that she is a cheater. Huh? He is planning to stalk her for the rest of her life just to cock block her dating????

I don't get it.

KB

The stuff of greatness, Thanks so much, for a fine little read after an exhausting and challenging day!

This was one of the more introspective stories written rather than simply suck and fuck approach to being unfaithful. It doesn't make simple sense but then, that is the point, isn't it?

Well done!

T.T.

Excellent insight and writing. I did note in some of your stories that the central character's damning information is almost magically attained. (hard stretches of reality)

The author seems to be making a case for not letting women into management because it will ruin their capacity to love and nurture. This subject needs to analysed in MBAs' at least so the gals know what they are getting into.

You think the Germans are in fact funny and the claim of them being as a group painfully unfunny is not true.

I take it you have never been to Germany.

There are some very funny Germans........and they are incredibly rare.

Write what you know, not what you want to be true,

There is no better way to pick this story up than "KingBandor"! It is a single assumption and not a single proof! Even the assessment of German virtues doesn't work! A bad job! Normally your work is better!

A little different from the first few, but just as good. What a great series of stories.

Didn't like this much, in spite the insight into the conversations of a group of females meeting regularly.

To pay support to me for our two young daughters but of course she never pony'd up the money and no one connected with court system gave a damn. My ex-wife that is, a dead beat mother, they do indeed exist. As for the way he finally figured out who she was cheating with in this story being not realistic, women aren't the only ones with spot on intuition, somethimes the fog lifts and the sun shines bright. Signed: BTW

She lost a loving husband and daughter because she needed independence, but then wants someone to keep her from being lonely? She has a world of hurt ahead of her. Good story.

Her actions and attitude are difficult to fathom, but plausible.

Pain, humiliation, and being a despicable mother into the info packs also. Then allow only very limited exposure of his daughter to her parents to keep their anger at their daughter fresh, very fresh. My only criticism is lack of serious payback.

is in direct proportion to the cost and price of what was lost. TK U MLJ LV NV

Hypergamy

Of course, hitting a guy who sneered at you could have meant he was just a douche bag. How embarrassing. The wife is a composite of the standard cheating wife model: not motherly (willing to dump the daughter on him), drawn into infidelity at work, etc. He never figured out where her trysts were: the washroom at work over lunch break? The remarkable thing was that the guy could actually stomach listening to the girl chat all that time. Who’d want that?

Didn't buy or whatever!

No

Made more sense than some ramblings I have heard but not by much

jtwheels

He should have just hired a P.I to know more rather than wonder

I certainly wouldn’t have he patience to hear lies over a span of weeks, and say nothing to her. As far as her admitting her lies to the other wives, I’d have to witness it; and I’d insist that the other husbands witness as well. It’s ok to bitch about laziness, sloppiness, and skid marks, but lies about sex lives just doesn’t sit well- and they’d deserve to understand what may be said about them.

Sadly this is a way more realistic situation. Not the slagging off the husband to other wives but the staying in a marriage because the partner it to scared to leave and admit that it has failed. I think in real life there would have been other signs not necessarily cheating but growing distant with each other. The problem with this sort of marriage is that although the love might have gone it becomes like a comfortable pair of slippers that are hard to throw away.

Unfinished at the end. You sucker punch a guy in front of a ton of his peers and you're probably going to jail. It's a felony. No way he would get custody in any court in the land with a felony on his record. Especially with a violent felony. So what happened to that MOST important item in the story???

After reading 8 of these conversations I Mr. Sleepery is one of the very best writers on this website

Sad... I hope she wakes up one day, sad, lonely, unloved by her daughter, and old.

Actually know not policy of the author, but this story deserve another chapter.

Is all the moral outrage in the comments, asking how could she be so low and horrible as to walk out on her child? Declaring that she should stay in a loveless marriage for the sake of the child?

Or is that faux outrage reserved solely for male characters that leave, rather than being trapped in a marriage they don't want?

It is not realistic as this author, even though being imaginative, is not writing realistic stories. As pointed out here, the violent outburst would put him in jail with felony record to boot. All the rest of "evolutionary psychobabble" would be secondary to that fact - jailtime with criminal record. The author is very fond of this "pseudoevolutionary" nonsense as he keeps on repeating it in other stories.

Female character is unexplained either since author did not bother to develop that character at all. Women become disillusioned with their status in marriage but it is always motivated, for example husband losing physical appeal .... Unfortunately, the author is spending a lot of time on psychobabbling instead of developing characters. Nevertheless, the story is better than standard garbage in LW.

-JT

A very different plot line and outcome from so many stories in the LW category. Most cheating wife stories don't use the affair as a means to blow up the marriage by goading the husband into violence.

Most of these "Conversations" seem to be the framework for more extensive stories. Ones where character development and plot holes are not left up to the reader. Are you self publishing also?

Interesting story but I felt the ending was incomplete.

The revenge was left hanging in the wind and at times it seems like a necessary thing. You want to cause the cheater as much pain as they caused you. You may want yell about it or you may want to keep it quiet. Then you remember the line from Karate KId: "If you wish to seek revenge, start buy digging two graves, one for you and one for your enemy." Early in my second marriage a young man was causing my wife pain because of his abnormal pursuit of our daughter. I wrote him a short note. Well, everything in that came true that I warned him about. It took a few years but it all came true which proved to me there is Karma out there and the old phrase "What goes around comes around" does usually happen with out any help from us. Good story, another one of those dumb smart women. Proves the old adage we (men) lost control when we have them (women) birth control pills and tennis shoes!

What's the implication for the "right time"? Right for what, to take her devalued self back?

Ok story, but deserving of a more robust ending.

What was there to enjoy in that story??? 1*

I feel sorry for her. She will realize that her love for her husband was real, and being a wife and mother far surpasses the emptiness of "freedom". But maybe, just maybe, she can find her way back. It's not impossible, but she better not wait too long

Ugghhh!

I suppose the lesson here is you will be lonely and broken if you stand up to your cuckolder.

Just love Sarahwithlove's optimism! But she is right. In a few years when the bloom of youth has worn off, Margot will find that her Freedom is not what she imagined! Then will come the regrets and self-examination, followed by self-recrimination. Good story.

To quote a country song

“Freedom feels like lonely “

Great story

With a better ending it would have been 5*. However it was truer than most stories you read on here. People's minds do become entangled, people do sometimes feel trapped like her. I feel sad for them both, he deserved better,,but according to her he was a good husband and father. So there was chance he would meet someone also nice, who could reward him with a happy life. Sadly for her, I could see no future happiness, she would avoid any meaningful relationships, frightened that she might get trapped again.

Well, I feel guilty for rating it lower than 5--which is what I've rated nearly all the other Conversations to this point. I'm pretty sure the reason for the lower rating lies in my inability to follow the convoluted psychological labyrinth that the MC followed to get to his conclusion. My bad.

But the style and substance, as always, were quite good.

On to the next.

I'm not intelligent enough to follow this, I'm afraid.

This was interesting but not to the caliber of the other Conversation stories thus far.

A sad one.

She seems to have given up her daughter without too much of a fight. Bitch. D

Very sad. What a despicable slut! Why not just be honest, doesn’t want to be alone, what the hell does she think is going happen, I would also let the bosses know why I decked someone

Insightful analysis of a woman's moral and ethical decay on the road to self-destruction. Her, actually a commonality of such women, rational is the essence of female logic. It is not rational which is one reason men can't understand them. This enables them to emotionally divorce themselves from any moral quandary and carry on as they please. That ability is one defining aspect of a sociopath; they know what they are doing is wrong but they, quite literally don't care. They have no moral conscience to cause them guilt. This is why they have no trouble lying and with deception. This enables a capacity for duplicity, and self delusion that is beyond shocking.

Don't see the purportedly obvious rationale that such behavior is solely the province of women. Men also fall out of love with their spouse. However, what really gets me is her abandonment ofnher child. She has real mental issues, possibly borderline NPD. However that is rare to just blossom out of nowhere simply because she got responsibility and a taste of power ans entitlement in management. Her actual strategy was stupid but then again he picked up on her adultery waaaay earlier than many husband's would. Would have been curious to know her plan. Obviously to get out of the marriage, but to go where, with who, and when.

This one could have been a little longer, but story wise it was excellent.

sounds like she'll need some intense therapy to cope with her obvious mental problems ??

It’s all limbic system that controls the instincts. Usually its common sense that we call psycho analytics.

One sad lady, even a beautiful young daughter doesn't enter into her thinking except how to be rid of her. She needs some serious therapy

I sometimes wonder if the concept of chivalry as set forth by women to cover just such situations as this. I applaud the husband for immediately standing up and knocking the shit out of the guy who thought it was okay to fuck his wife and then rub his nose in it like the husband had no recourse. But as we know the real villain in this piece was Margot so she should have been the one whose nose was turned up to let the rain in. But thanks to chivalry that kind of behavior just isn't done these days so we have to settle for the smirk to be spread all over his face. I am really enjoying these conversations again, thanks for sharing them with me. I have disliked some of the stories but never the set up and the writing.

Original -- I like original -- 5*

An epilogue a few years later would have been appreciated. How did they fare? He should have given her custody of their child and see how that interfered with her life.

A very good story but as I said I felt there was a bit more to tell. 4.

Too much psychoanalysis, not enough drama.

did you use much Oxygen doing this ?

This is sad and actually pretty powerful. God she is cruel. I dont like it but it is 5 stars.

So typical of today's entitled women. 5*****