All Comments on 'Dilemma - Lorelei's Story'

Is what I think you got us too this point and leave it up in the Air.

Maybe Chris won't have her as his Wife but He could want Cindys Babys to be with him.

I'm sure the author would not have wanted that. What she did was evil. The least she could do would be to leave the boy alone.

What a fantastic second chapter.

Dilemma was a great story and this was a much needed second chapter.

Beautifully tragic. Wish there was a way to continue the story. I'm quite tempted to give it a try. The frozen embryos don't need to be implanted, yet they can still provide a reason for Chris and Lorelei to talk again through their mutual love for Cindy. Chris has moved on and even managed to hear "Lorelei" without losing his mind. Lorelei's accepted responsibility and paid dearly for her mistake. She'll live with regret for the rest of her life. That's all one can ask for really. Time goes forward, not backward. And who's to say their marriage wouldn't have ended some other way had Lorelei not cheated? It would make sense for Chris and Lorelei to try to make amends eventually, because they grew up practically as siblings and best friends. They'll never forget the love or the pain, but that doesn't mean they can't be there to comfort each other especially in this time of grief.

So this is normal in the USA is it , sleeping with someone other than your husband only once is OK? no big deal? WTF have you no morals at all of course it`s a big deal , divorce is the least of the wifes problems.

It is way overdone. She has sex one time so it is no big deal. It is not her fault that Chris is like some religious fanatic and lets something that common and that minor cause him to go off the deep end.

She is lucky to be rid of the creep. Realistically she would have soon remarried to a normal and desirable guy.

A wonderful counterpart to the Dillema story by the very talented author who have left us with woefully too few stories to contend with.

I am putting this here because I've received several emails from anonymous that stated that this whole thing is a hoax because "my story keeps changing."

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I said that Joesephus' mother was being a problem and had rushed the funeral to make sure he stayed in the family plot. I wanted to retract that here.

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It's always difficult to get correct information when there is a tragedy. It is ever harder when there is great distance and a language problem.

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I initially thought Joesephus' car was hit by a drunk driver. If fact it was a single car accident after a wedding with an open bar. Joesephus was not driving and both men were killed. Officially, there is no charge that the driver was drunk.

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Second, it is local custom to bury loved ones within 24 hours. Joesephus' mother followed custom because there was no hope for an open casket. She did make certain that he was buried in the type of casket that could be used for transportation if that's what Critter wanted.

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Critter, who has been magnificent, has agreed to leave Joesephus there until she finishes her tour in Iraq. I have returned to Texas to make arrangements for a memorial service here. Critter will return to Texas next week after a traditional mass down there which marks the end of public mourning for the service here.

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Joesephus' mother has done everything possible to help Critter. She has considerable resources and has given Critter a blank check. Since Joesephus was her only child, and they had issues, I think she wants as close a relationship as possible with Critter.

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It's all very sad, and I've learned not to put off mending fences with family members.

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jonnyrebel82

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If you want more information or wish to comment, please send them to jonnyrebel82@gmail.com

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I have Joesephus' passwords to this and other sites, but I do not have access to his email account.

It's a terrible tragedy, he will be sorely missed.

So Cindy was sneaking around behind her husband's back plotting with someone she knew he was right in hating. Wow-she turned out to be pretty bad afterall. No sequels please, unless its a short story from Chris' perspective where he has his lawyer tell Lorelei to please find a highway to go play 'tea-party' on. There just isn't ANY reason for Chris to have to interact with Lorelei again. That Cindy was demonic! Her behavior toward Chris was just so cruel and rotten.

I am posting the latest information in the forum Author's Hangout. Joesephus' father has a friend who is a high official and he said not to worry about exhumation. Critter will arrive from Berlin tonight and needs all the support she can get.

Joesephus' ex-roommater and Best Man.

You will be sorely missed. Your work has been that of the gifted, because it has been well written, but more important; you caused us to ponder, wonder, and think. That is the gift of the truely talented. Your spirit surely rests in realms on high, and I hope that in future days we shall meet in that Celestial House Above. Thank You. Ronnie W.

An extremely talented young man who let me read what he was sending to post when he first started. I was not as close to him as many of you but I considered him a friend. Our texting was always light hearted and that was what our small communications centered on, a love of people and the power they had if they used what God gave them. His story “Christmas Alone” will always be one of my favorite stories in my life.<P>I pray for understanding and strength for his family and celebrate his joining with God as he believed. God Bless you all as he was a gift from God shared by so many.<P>Peggytwitty

If true, 'tis unreal. He was so lively no more than a few days ago, telling us how he tried to juggle posting the various chapters to this story of his.... <p>

And now he is gone? Forever? <p>

Surely you guys are joking here, right? <p>

But, then, writers like The Wanderer and Long_Horn could not have been joking, alas! <p>

Why? <p>

Why? How is it possible, that someone who was so alive, so great at writing, a few days ago, will never be again, in all of eternity?

Farewell my friend.

My condolences to Joesephus' family as well as the Literotica community. He will be missed.

My heartfelt condolences to Joe's wife and family at his untimely demise. It's even more tragic when death takes one so young and so full of promise. I will remember his talent and his kind heart.

Like a lot of people, I counted Joe as a friend. I know he hoped eventually to earn his living writing. But now all we are left with, are the few works that he did post on the net.

I do hope that one day his wife will find out just how good an author she had married. I know that I - like many other people - will miss hearing from my young friend.

My sincere condolences go to his wife, family and friends.

Dave Charles

The Wanderer

<p>I will miss Joesephus. We struck up a long distance friendship before he posted his first story a couple of years ago. Every time I posted a story here, I knew I would shortly be receiving an email from Joesephus with constructive remarks and friendly commentary. These always led to conversations about his family, the woman he loved (and married not so very long ago). I valued his remarks about my work and enjoyed the glimpses of his family life he shared with me.</p>

<p>My prayers are with him and his wife as well as their extended families as they deal with this tragedy. He would have been 26 next month. </p>

<p>LH</p>

Joesephus, died in an automobile accident. We grieve for his family, and for ourselves. We will never again have the pleasure of a new offering from a wonderful talent. Hold your loved ones close.

You will truly be missed.

work is because his characters seem real. I don't think Lorelei knows why she allowed herself to be seduced. I think that's why she keeps beating herself up. She spent a year in therapy and it didn't help her find her answers. I suspect it was tied up with her father, but I'm sure she'll never get over it.

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I agree that Chris moved on, but yet when Cindy died he wanted Lorelei, not as a wife or lover, but as his friend. How awful it must be to lose someone who spent all that time with you. The person who knows you better than you parents. The person who knew all your secrets, frankly someone who is more than most sisters are because they weren't related.

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Lorelei's betrayal is much worse than a one time slip by a wife, that's what Joesephus is showing us. I think that is why Cindy was trying to get them back in relationship. It would be like your mother trying to kill you, it's so wrong that you can't be "normal" until you can get past it. If your mother will betray you, can you trust anyone?

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I'm not sure those two should ever have been married. Twins know they can't marry, but these two didn't. With their "connection" they may have been too close.

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To be honest I hope that Joesephus does finish the story. I think that Lorelei should not carry the baby. Reading between the lines, I'm not sure Cindy thought it was a good idea. However, I do think they need each other in their lives. Not as husband and wife, but as lifelong best friends.

I agree that the professor was a slimeball and he deserved what he got. My point is that her revenge on him was worth about a paragraph because if Chris thought that he needed to get revenge we would have seen it in the first story. Chris had moved on but Lorelei cited her need to get the professor as to why she had not yet reconciled with Chris. Come on! If Cindy welcomed her with open arms and she loved Chris so much it should not take 4 years for her to make peace with Chris. Why do she have to wait until Cindy's death and to show up at the fertility clinic? Anyway, on assuming responsibility for her cheating "she professes too much.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The author did a very good job in redeeming Lorelei's character. In the first story, she is a self-centered and controlling bitch. In this story you can be sorry for her but she never got to the real reason (other than that is what she wanted to do) for her cheating. I do not require these deep psychological reasons because one's actions speak for themselves. It is nice to know that she was thinking of Chris during her last phone call not trying to first control him and then lie to him. Bottom Line: She can cite 27 minutes to complete her cheating act but this action did not occur on the spur of the moment. She allowed this seduction to occur over weeks amd months.

The Prof was a predator because he traded grades for sex and he harrassed several of his employees. His behavior with other women cost him his job and his fortune. Lorelei didn't take a dime for herself but she made a predator pay for what he did to others. She flat said she was gulity of being a slut and didn't sue him for that.

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But, during my "sensetivity" classes (mostly a waste of time) I did learn that some courts rule that anyone in a "power" situation who has sex with a subordinate is guilty of harrassment. Lorilei said she wouldn't use what he did to her as a basis for getting him fired! She wanted revenge for what he did to Chris and because he was a creep! He had a pattern of using women.

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Lorlei didn't whine about being taken advantage of. Although I think she was, she DID NOT claim her cheating was the result of anything but her own weak character.

There was nothing in the relationship between Lorelei and her professor that was wrong other than her martial status and her status as a student. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In the first story Dilemma we read that Lorelei was "impressed by him that she'd signed up for a fall class". "Lorelei had been bubbling when we got home. She positively gloated about the opportunity to pick his brain on the three-and-a-half hour drive". So Lorelei was taken with the Professor which could have been read by him as sexual interest. Was he wrong to pursue her? Yes but so are other men who pursue married women.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I hate to break the news to some people but men do try to seduce available women by relating to their past struggles or future dreams. The fact that the professor proposed continuing the relationship indicated that this was no different than any other extramarital affair. So how did the professor become this monster worthy of destruction? Because Lorelei needed someone to blame. It does not matter if she admits to being at fault four years of her life was spent in getting revenge for him fucking her. Can you imagine if every weak married woman who is caught in an affair spent that much energy "getting" her lover?>>>>>

The point is I have no sympathy for the professor who got what he deserved but her focus indicates that she left the funny farm a little too early.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Chris should stay away from this woman!

but I think you miss one very important point about Lorelei. She never claimed <b>SHE</b> was the victim of a predator. In fact she refused to be party to the action to cost him his job. Most unuversities today take such a broad view of sexual harassment that just sleeping with a student is enough to get you in trouble.

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Lorelei didn't use that she found other students who he traded grades for sex to get him fired. Personally, I think she wanted revenge as much for Chris' sake as for hers.

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I think she agrees, based on what she said, that no one is to blame for her cheating but her. She says she could hav stopped him at any point.

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That doesn't mean that he wasn't a predator and it doesn't mean he did hit her at all her weak spots. Still, she said if she'd had better character she would not have cheated.

Its good but incomplete - it needs closure. Whether they are together or separate it needs a clear end, please write one.

<p>Lorelei wasn't preyed upon in any real sense that made her innocent of cheating</p>

<p>Lets be honest a second. Is this character upset she lost her husband? Yes. Is she feeling used? Yes. But could <b><i>She</i></b> alone have prevented what happened? Yes</p>

<p>Lets do something for a second, ok? Follow this line of reasoning. A woman goes to a party. She meets a man. The man walks up to her and starts talking to her. The woman has a choice, keep talking or tell the man she's not interested. She keeps talking. The man ask her out on a date. The woman has a choice, accept or refuse the date. She accepts. The man takes her out and she enjoys herself so he ask her out again. The woman has a choice, accept another date or refuse. She accepts. The man ask the woman out on a series of dates. On one date the man ask the woman to come back to his room. The woman has a choice, accept or refuse. The woman accepts. Now most <i>reasoning</i> adults knows what happens if someone invites you back to their room after a couple dates. They get into the man room. The man starts to kiss the woman. The woman has a couple of different choices: kiss the man back, break away and tell him he's moving too fast, or pull away and leave. She decides to kiss him back. The man starts to undress himself and her. Again she has a couple of choices, stop him or keep kissing him while he's doing this. She keeps kissing him. They have sex. Afterwards the woman has a case of the "Oh noes what did I do" and she leaves the room. Then she later tells everyone that this man preyed on her from the start of their relationship and he manipulated everything they did so that she felt <i>comfortable</i> enough to have sex with him and for that sole reaon he should be punished somehow. At what point in this question does the woman share any blame?</p>

<p>What I'm getting at in the above question is this. The woman at any point could have stopped this chain of events by simply saying one simple word, "no". Trust me, I've heard it a lot growing up, and to this day my wife has no problem saying "no" when it crosses her mind. But if for some reason she makes her wishes known that she doesn't wish to continue, and the man continues, then this is what the world calls "rape" and the man goes to jail. If a woman is married and she allows another man to do all the above, and after the fact calls him a preditor, then she is more to blame. She should have said no at the first offer to be alone with the other man. While the other man should have respected her marriage, she was the only one of the two that maid a "vow" to be true and only be with another person. Not the other man who is interested in her.</p>

<p>Yet all I keep reading is: Poor Lorelei, how this guy preyed on her, and how he needed to be stopped and punished for his part in breaking up her marriage. At what point in this chain couldn't Lorelei have stopped him and walked away before the end result ended up with her on her back in his hotel room? She didn't want to, and that lack of control cost her, her husband Chris. She gambled she could play around with him and it wouldn't cost her anything. She was wrong, and because some of the readers like her character they are willing to make someone else, who they don't know all that well, the villian. Because lets be honest a second, someone has to be responsible for the breakup of a marriage. If it's not Chris who found out his wife cheated on him and tried to cover it up, and it's not Lorelei, who everyone feels bad for because she so broke up over it, it must be her professor for going after her knowing she was married. Why? Why is it solely, or at best primarly, his fault? Because she didn't have the will power to stop him it should have had it?</p>

<p>The only two people that have to respect and honor marriage vows are the two that made them. At anytime someone else is allowed to step in by one of the marriage mates, the marriage mate that opened that door to that other person owns the lion share of the blame. Period. And looking to make scapegoats out of the person they cheated with makes them look less likely like marriage material than anything else.</p>

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<p>I'm still not sure I'd call him weak because he didn't date and/or Sleep around with other women before and/or after Lorelei.</p>

<p>There are still some guys who want to wait for the right woman, or even if they've found them wait for the right situation to develop. To me that doesn't make him weak. Not knowing how to handle her cheating on him, again to me doesn't make him weak either. Just unprepared. Like you said if he had dated other women and had this happen maybe his character would have been better prepared. But at the end of the day I probably would have done the same thing. Because other than letting her tell her side of what happened as she saw it, I probably would have just walked away once she was finished rather than get a bright shiney new jail record for assult on the other man. <b><i>Both</i></b> of them knew she was married. Not just him or only her, but both. And to me fighting over someone that willing cheats on someone they claim to love does nothing but produce something that will hang over their head in every civil or criminal suit that might come up they may be involved in.</p>

<p>And I've always felt if someone's husband or wife decides to cheat, then they must have decided to do it with someone else regardless of the reason. What else needs be said? Walk away and let them cheat, and later, if you feel the need for your own peace of mind, you might ask them why. But to be honest, the only reason you would meet with them is to let them convince you to take them back. But if you've already decided you can't accept them sleeping around on you, then your really just wasting both of your time. Your's listening to someone who has hurt you and your living in the moment of that hurt still. And the person who hurt you, who is probably having what may later be false hopes that you will take them back and pretend it never happened. Some people can pretend it never happened. Some of us can't. But that is what makes me different from the next guy I run into.</p>

<p>So to me when Chris crashed, it took more strength to walk away than to run up and punch the other guy in the mouth. And when his family decided to side with his wife (ex-wife) instead of trying to find out the story and just support him as their child, to me again it took more strength to walk away from that situation than to try and convince them when they didn't want to be convinced. Sometimes you have to walk away from a losing battle, than to scorch the earth trying to prove your right at all cost. And if his ex-wife was preventing him from joining the human race again until he found someone that helped him get over her, then he needed to find someone to help him heal the great hurt she caused him. And to me it takes strength to open up again when that happenes, because the easy thing would be to bury yourself from all friends and family who hurt you and never come out again.</p>

<p>So for me I really didn't see him as weak, as much as I saw what strength it would take to start all over, alone, with no one supporting you, and all the people you knew trying to make you see how wrong you were for being hurt over casual cheating, as what Lorelei did. That's why I said I didn't see him as weak.</p>

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I enjoyed this story. It's a thinking story with many angles. It can go in many directions. Should they bow down to a dead woman's wish? Even from the grave she has certainly orchestrated their future. She might have been a minister, but she was manipulative in her actions and desires. She wanted those babies born. Forget that maybe he did not want his ex-wife to carry them. Maybe he did not want to have anything to do with her. It was too painful or he had no desire to do so. But if she carried those babies, he would. Forever. Perhaps he had all the children he wanted. He didn't want to raise more children alone or worse, with the help of his ex-wife. And in he did, it would be out of guilt or the manipulation of his sainted, dead wife. Makes you wonder if our hero will ever be able to assume control of his life or will the women in his life dictate his actions from there on.

I worry about Lorelei. She's fragile. She doesn't make excuses. She knows she did wrong and how much it cost her. She carried her guilt as a mantle. She went through a dark period in her life, even ending up in a psychiatric ward. Is this woman strong enough to carry those babies. Is she strong enough to be a mother? And if need be, is she strong enough to give them up? Would she be able to look at the man she loved or loves as a brother? (I found that Cindy had been completely unreasonable in this assumption or request) If she couldn't look at the love of her life as a brother would she fall apart out of guilt?

Did I say I love this story?? There's nothing like a "thinking" story...

I love the way this is written. No one has it all together, but they're so young. If my math is right Lorelei and Chris are 29.

I don't know what they should do, but unlike some, I like both of them. I don't see Chris as weak and I don't see Lorelei as evil. I do think they need to talk. Oh, and I think Cindy did the right thing. I'm not sure about the baby thing... although I do understand why she didn't want to leave the embyro frozen. I'm not sure she would have let Lorelei carry them either. It might have been a ploy to get the two talking. She did say she wouldn't consider letting Lorelei unless Chris agreed. I also do think Cindy was schemaing she is a minister and she helps people. She was doing what she thought her husband needed.

Lorelei is too ready to accept blame for what is done to her. She blames herself for her father's death and she blames herself from being seduced by a predator.

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To her credit she takes down the bastard, but she still doesn't feel that she's "atoned" for her cheating. I don't think she ever will.

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I am really amused by the burn the cheater at the stake crowd on this one. Lorelei sounds exactly like one of them. She has a one time slip, and she's ready to declare herself a whore! She has flaws, but anyone out there without them?

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Her real problem is that until she can move past what she's done she'll never make a wife for anyone else. Chris was lucky, Cindy found him. Lorelei is in danger of a very lonely life.

Is Chris weak? Why? He was closer to his wife than most, and when she cheated it broke him and he left her rather than killing one or both of them. I love the knife through the professor's front door. I think some of the weak crowd miss that.

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He wasn't running from weakness, but from rage. He's basically a nice guy, so in the first story he doesn't talk about his anger much, but it was there.

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He was able to build himself up from penniless to a very successful career when he was cut off from family and all support groups. Working in a burger place and living in his car shows character to me.

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He was over his ex-wife at the wedding at least with her as a wife. He didn't think he had friends because he measured friendship by the bond he had with Lorelei. Still people were urging him to run for the school board. So he had friends. It's not uncommon to think you're alone when life as shat on you.

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He is not yearning for his ex, but has moved on in a healthy way with a new family. He has been hit with tragedy. But it hasn't destroyed him.

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What he does have is an unresolved relationship with Lorelei. They have a special bond and it isn't going away.

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His new wife thought that the way to resolve this was to have a brother/sister relationship, but she tended to see the best in everyone.

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Lorelei accepted responsibility for her actions, and I agree the professor is a predator and had to be stopped. The thing that Lorelei never does do is to make a change in who she is. She is still susceptible to a strong men who acts as a father figure. If she meets another, she's liable to cheat again. Note that men in authority who use that power on subordinates are probably liable to sexual harassment charges. I think Lorelei shows some character when she rejects that route but finds women who meet the quid pro quo standard of harassment.

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I wouldn't take her back as a wife. I don't know that I'd let her carry the babies, but if these two are linked for life (through the "bond") they need to get things worked out. I don't know how they're going to do that without Cindy.

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I think Chris sees that, and the danger. I'm not sure Lorelei does. I do want to see the story finished. Josephus has created some very real and interesting people. They are human and they have flaws, but they also have strengths. They're both smart and successful. I think they both have a sense of justice, I loved what Lorelei did to the pervert.

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Still, should these two people be married? I don't think so.

If one wants resolution don't read this. If one requires violent and final retribution... go write your own story!

I have to give the author the liberty to write his story,

while I have the job of apprectiating it.

I admit that it is slightly irritating that after years,

Lorelei still does not understand why she dropped the ball.

Is she really a victim of having "caused" her father's death?

You really can not get into another's persons head, though in this story wonders why, if she has this ability to understand everything about her husband, why she decided to

inflict such pain on him??

are mentally ill and so self centered that we let them ruin the rest of our lives. He got over the hurt his wife put him thru and had a successful and loving life. His new wife in her self centered role as champion of the world decided that he needed to reunite on some level with a woman who had almost ended his life by her mindless actions. And his exwife in trying to get revenge upon her husband for leaving her goes after and ruins the life of the man who she willingly hed sex with and even when her husband came up to her to talk to her, walked away with the other man and danced with him in a confortable way. This woman is mentally off, no question there. That she has no real morals or ethics helps explain her actions and her vocation. Yes over time we can forget the pain and suffering people we love and trust cause us to have, sort of remmebering the good and forgetting the bad. Does that mean we have to go back and open ourselves to the same sort of actions again by a person who professes to love us but at the same time, betray, disrespect, and humiliate us, no it doesnt. Only a person just as mentally ill would go back to such an exspouse. Sometimes it seems the forgive and forget folks dont realize that are talking from an irrational and mentally unstable position. Consider this, you have a legal contract with another person. That person wilfully violates the contract breaking it. And your actions are to be expected to forgive the person breaking the contract and reestablish the prior contract. Nope folks that is called bad business. Once a cheat always a cheat. A thief is a thief, an adulterer is an adulterer, and a mentally ill person can be very sorry and convincing but is still mentally ill.

What an interesting dynamic. Please continue this story as it has so much developmental potential. I don't see Chris as a wimp, rather a man caught in a flow of circumstances with so much history of the relationship as to direct his position. As for Lorelie's actions, she delved into such narcissism that even though they are "bonded" ( I was a twin so I understand), she still doesn't deserve his children, although a quiet peace betwixt them might exist, I would not project a future, brother/sister, with any hope. She pulled back and life proceeds onwards. JMHO.

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If for no other reason, it will give more people a chance to vent at these two weak people. No matter what is decided, many will cheer and many will vomit. So what! You are a good writer and wrote the story as you saw it and so you should end it as you see it. I also think if anyone else thinks they are as good as you they should get off their high horse of opinion and write their own ending. You stirred the pot with this one and boy did it bubble over!!!

I'm not a lawyer and I've never played one one TV. I do know that if Lorelei was able to bring forward several several students who proved he traded grades for sex, he would would be fired. If she were able to find several employees who could prove sexual harassment (not easy but having several claimants makes it easier) the man could be ruined financially. To be honest, I don't know about being disbarred.

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The point was that Lorelei didn't claim she was a victim, just the opposite. She did want revenge but she went about it the honest way and she didn't keep the the millions in fees she earned.

You have written a wonderful story. It was a great pleasure to read both parts. Even if I wanted to smack Chris upside the head and say "get over it". Those that have said please no more... are completely wrong this is one story I would like to read to the end. So, please if you are so inclined put fingers to keyboard and type type type. I am sure there are many of us that would look forward for the rest of the story.

Women who cheat in a marriage do not fuck someone and think, "I don't know why I did that." Lorelei is a smart, educated woman who was not angry with her husband, who was not getting even for cheating by her husband (since he never did), and who was not bored, drugged, etc. etc. etc. She was seduced? Let's face it; despite her denial, she wanted to be seduced or it would not have happened. I'm no psychiatrist and would not have a clue as to why a woman would do something so hurtful and illogical (what man understands women anyway?), but in this story, it occurred. She then must punish her lawyer lover for seducing her (he should have known better and it's all his fault her marriage is ruined). His punishment is to be fired, sued, financially ruined, and disbarred. As if this would ever happen! Lawyers are almost immune to being sued; they write the rules, after all. It's quite difficult to sue a lawyer; I know, because I tried, and I had an excellent case (according to other lawyers who reviewed it). The lawyer in question committed fraud and guess what he got after I complained to the Bar? An "Admonishment!" Translation -- a slap on the pinkie. Now maybe a few women's complaints might result in some discipline, perhaps the lawyer would even be quietly asked to leave. But financial ruin? Disbarment for seducing a married lady or a client? I think Hell would freeze over first. Only doctors get their licenses pulled for having a relationship with a patient; in many if not most states, such rules don't apply to lawyers. Although I kind of feel sorry for Lorelei (people make mistakes; hers was a big one, and she ruined more than one person's life), I am even more than ever convinced that Chris should not permit her to carry the embryos. He needs to move on, not have Lorelei back in his life.

Chris may not be a wimp (yet) but he is a pussy. If he has anything to do with his "Ho" of an ex then he would definitely qualify as the "Holy WIMP du Jour."

I dont know whether to give this story a higher value b/c I dont if this author is writing from the perspective of someone who has several severe character flaws and / or is mentally ill... or trying to justify what the wife character did.

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The scariest thought of all is imaging this cunt as a mother... God please no! I'll take anything but that... even President Hillary Clinton...

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<b> WHY did she go after the Professor???</b> Lorelei never says she was raped. She says

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No, I wasn't drunk. No, I didn't want to have sex with him. No, he didn't force me. I did decide that for some reason I've never been able to figure out that I shouldn't stop him, and I didn't.

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Yes... Knowingly going after a Married woman IS wrong. But it is Just as wrong for Her to say ..."OK fuck me".

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<b>How can CINDY as a religious and spiritual Person... after spending all this time talking to Lorelei think she would be a good Mother??? </b>

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consider Lorelei statments

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<i>I'll no more understand why I agreed to dance with him than I'll understand why I let him fuck me. </i>

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Ok so she has no idea why she fucked the profesor and

why she ruined her marriage to a person she loved more than life itself

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if that doesnt speak of mental illness what does?!?!...

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Even Lorelei says she is unfit!!! From ealrier this chapter...

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<i>Besides, even if we could somehow work past that, even if he was misguided enough to trust me the way a husband should trust a wife, I could never trust myself. </i>

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and this

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<i>I'm a cheat and a slut. I broke the most important vows it's possible for a person to make. By doing that I broke the finest man I've ever met. Chris needed healing and I knew I couldn't-- I didn't have the health in me to heal him.</i>

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so what has changed? She still has No idea why she fucked the professor and why she " OK do me..."

because I agreed with pretty much of what he/she said about your Chris character: I feel bad for his kids, who have to grow up with a man not mature enough to really handle things. <p>

He immediately severed the former wife from his life, his parents, too... (and that's DECISIVENESS, yes) and yet he goes through his life, HE WILL GO THROUGH LIFE, thinking about her! I mean, WTF! <p>

I have no patience for such a stupid man. Lorelei, at least this woman know she HAS FUCKED UP big time and decides to do something about the person with whom she agreed to work with to fuck up her life! She's a bitch but at least she's honest and knows she IS TWISTED! <p>

But this Chris dude?, he receives no sympathy from me. Social services should look into taking his kids away; this man is emotionally unstable... <p>

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""" Lorelei really needs to move on! She cheated because she was in the wrong relationship, Chris was a dangerously co-dependent man-child who used her to be another mother to him. Chris has not really developed all that much, and I really feel sorry for his children as they are going to grow up with an emotional retard for a father -but I'm sure the therapists will be happy to have an easy meal ticket from those kids when they finally look for help from real adults! lol Please let Chris grow up, or do us a favour and have him hang himself in an unselfish display of selfishness, or if you like, let him choke on his own vomit in his *sniffle* traumatized night-terror dreams. Dangit, somebody go over and bitch-slap that man-child and tell him to man-up for once in his life; Chris is a pathetic addict nursing and suckling on poor-me-isms. Please let Lorelei move on and live her life without getting sucked deeper into his pity-party. """

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how can you say Chris is NOT a weak man? His weakness is NOT in his reactions to Lorelei's cheating.. as you state clearly in that regard he was strong.

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The weakness is that the Chris character never grew up outside of HER. He never had wild days as a late teen... he never got shot down asking a girl to dance at the school dance or a Night club. In fact Chris and Lorelei connection... fron young kids into their marriage... smacks of immaturity and one sideness to the Nth degree.

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and his violent physical reaction Just from hearing her name speaks volumes.

There is no good side of Lorelei. She's right, she's a goddamned filthy whore, pure and simple. Cindy was a stupid bitch and I'm glad she's dead. She had no business playing God and letting this whore he put behind him carry the babies. The only fitting ending is if she dies writhing in agony during child birth. You are one sadistic bastard, you really hate the husband character, don't you? This story sucks. Don't finish it, you'll only wimp out more.

<p>When I first read this I hated it, pure and simple. It seemed, like the poster below stated, the Wife pretty much blamed everyone but herself and when the chance came she pretty much did everything in her power to publicly and finicially ruin her <i>willing</i> partner in crime</p>

<p>But as I was driving home after reading the story, I sat and though, maybe, just maybe, Joesephus wasn't trying to <b><i>justify</i></b> her side, but just telling how she felt about what happened. That it was everyone's fault but hers, and this was her way of finding a way to get her ex-husband back. When I sat and saw it that way, I could fully accept her character. I work with a guy that is pretty much the same way. If someone he knows steals something from someone and gets caught it was the fault of the person who allowed it to be stolen. If someone takes something of his, then that person should be found and beaten. But he can't draw the conclusion the other person has got to feel the way he does in the same situation. All he can see is how he feels about what happened.</p>

<p>But this story supported something I learn in my Psych class. Men pick women, but women "choose" men. By that, I mean <b>*most*</b> men find women attractive, but there are lots of attractive women to choose from, so if a man finds one that isn't intrested he often moves on to the next one and tries again. And often he will spend time with any woman who will let him. But it's often the women will "choose" which man is allowed to spend time with her. She has a finite amount of time, and she choose what man to spend it with. And carry this forward in the story, Lorelei had a man express intrest in her, and <i>without</i> raping her, <i>she <b>allowed</b> him</i> to have sex with her. And for allowing that moment of weakness, where she made a split second decision to have sex with another man, she made him pay for finding her attractive enough to persue to have sex with. To me that was wrong. Pursuing a married woman is wrong. Having sex with a man not your husband is just as wrong. Making him pay for agreeing to it is over the top wrong on her part, but that's how some folks often view these situations when they happen to them with the "Bad things that happen to me are never really my fault" reasoning."

<p>But I disagree with Peggy that Chris was of weak character. Someone who you love desperately, and cheats on you, lies to you, and tries to hide it and only "appears" to come clean once caught, doesn't deserve anything but the chance to hear their side of what happens. If you find you can't live with that, its better to divorce and move on than stay in a marriage where you find yourself bringing it up in every fight. It's better that if you can't handle the cheating then to make everyone miserable in the end. And Chris's refusal to carry on the marriage to me doesn't make him seem like a weak character, just an honest one.</p>

<p>Nice demonstration of selfish person who never really saw the real reason "why" everything went wrong and spent her time ruining someone else for showing intrest in her, when it was something she could have easily shut down if she had really wanted too in the end.</p>

-Risq

It has been so wonderfully written thus far, and the conclusion should have your stamp also.

interesting story line. Well written characters, with all of their flaws. For anyone who actually likes this written word, this is no waste of time.

What a whole lot of verbal garbage. To say this story is a waste of time would be a waste of time... Please NO MORE !!

I liked the way the story was written, but I have to say that neither of the main characters in this little mini-series is functioning on all 4 cylinders. His thoughts seem a little disjointed and she is so bent on revenge that it's ridiculous. The only one who she doesn't take revenge on is herself. If she truly wanted Chris to be happy she would walk away and move on with her life, and let him do the same.

That wife of Chris' was a piece of work too. Once she knew who Lorelei was she should have distanced herself from her. This was the girl who broke her husbands heart, not a person she should be trying to be a surrogate mother for her . So even Cindy's thought process' were suspect in my book.

I know you have no intention of concluding this story...you told me so. It's still a cop out leaving it to the imagination of the reader.

Grant

Lorelei really needs to move on! She cheated because she was in the wrong relationship, Chris was a dangerously co-dependent man-child who used her to be another mother to him. Chris has not really developed all that much, and I really feel sorry for his children as they are going to grow up with an emotional retard for a father -but I'm sure the therapists will be happy to have an easy meal ticket from those kids when they finally look for help from real adults! lol Please let Chris grow up, or do us a favour and have him hang himself in an unselfish display of selfishness, or if you like, let him choke on his own vomit in his *sniffle* traumatized night-terror dreams. Dangit, somebody go over and bitch-slap that man-child and tell him to man-up for once in his life; Chris is a pathetic addict nursing and suckling on poor-me-isms. Please let Lorelei move on and live her life without getting sucked deeper into his pity-party.

Well Joesephus you have now given us two chapters of an unfinished story. You do a good job of getting into characters heads with your dialogue. You only miss on the fact that what is to come is left without any answers as it is a mystery ending not a white or black ending. There are so many things left hanging, not just if they get back together, but all the other people in the story and their dependency on what just one person in the circle does.<P>I still see Chris as a man of weak character as he only knows what he feels is black and white and no compromise for anything. A man of character is one who knows he is not wise of all things and others have worth and ideas.<P> Lorelei is so far out in her revenge angle and her gratuitous self-pity. She finds all things are her fault and she wants to punish herself and everyone she dislikes. This is just too much superfluous rubbish for me to take in. She really wants someone to tell her she is ok and a fantastic human being and all is forgiven.<P> It was well written but not my favorite of your stories. Thank you for the extreme effort you put into your stories. It was fine entertainment.<P>With true Respect<P>PT

i would also like to know how would you conclude this series.

very well written and great character development.

I still don't know if I would go along with the plan. It does make you go HMMMM you know.

Thanks for the entertainment and i am sure others will attempt an ending , I would like to here yours.

Mike from Texas

What happens next? I'm so glad you decided to let us see what made Lorelei cheat. Please continue the story! I'm a sucker for happy endings.