All Comments on 'Separating Factors'

I've seen hundreds of movies and every time the wife says "I have to find myself" Usually finds another dick. It's a very old cliche. As others have said, this bitch would be dead to me the minute she closed the door. The husband in this story was a total wimp. I could see why she treated him with so little respect. His immediate reaction should have been to hire a PI. I guess his brother had all the balls in the family. This marriage is so over,because she eventually will fail him as a wife. Your a very good writer C2C. Thank you Luis

I have to agree with a coupla people. When she gave him all of her rules he should have filed for divorce; forget the seperation papers.

I loved when Carl smacked the hell out of lover boy boss i wish there was a way that i could view how lover boy face looked like after Carl beat his face in.

Pat.

Atlanta,Ga.

Terrible taste. This story just leaves a bad taste.

She wouldn't talk with a counselor - but she'll take the advice of the hens that she works with?

I think that the commenter who said that the husband should have filed for divorce when she wouldn't give an explanation was correct. That might help her 'find herself' as well as give the husband some 'hand' in the words of George Costanza

Comments are almost as interesting as the story. Harry, Risq, et al do have some good points in their comments, however...

However, we guys usually do flip flop around and make mistakes when put into the kind of situation Carl was put in. For at least some of us, not only does getting a divorce result in losing somebody that we love (even though they may not deserve it) but also represents personal failure. It is very difficult to maintain self confidence. It is easy to think that you'd never react the way Carl did (throw her silly ass out; good riddance), but IRL many of us would (and did) react with the same bewilderment and make the same mistakes that he did.

In fairness to Carl (and the story), having been there and done that and having the benefit of hindsight, I would do pretty much what he did - protect myself with a legal separation, and try to salvage the marriage if possible but without letting her remove my dignity. I will concede, though (as implied by Risq and Harry), that her lying and dating el slimeball, though, would most likely precipitate a divorce. Great story, curious2c!

On one hand this story had quite a bit of passion and I felt for Carl's position. However, given how he felt about Paige and his marriage I thought he wimped out in the end.

Here is what Paige did:

(1) Deserted him without cause. During a normal separation the husband knows what the problem is and if the wife needs some time to sort things out then he can ponder the problem also.

(2)Paige allowed others so-called friends and co-workers to disrespect Carl, her marriage and ultimately her by allowing them to put him down. It got to the point that she had replaced Carl with Charlie the Stud in her sexual fantasies.

(3) She went out on a date. She had said to Carl:

"What? I won't be dating or sleeping around Carl, there's no need for a lawyer to be involved.

She cancelled her usual date with Carl (I guess she forgot about Carl when she agreed to her date with Charlie even though she had decided to come back home) so she can go on her second date. Of course, she allowed herself to be pawed and felt up by Charlie. Would she have went along with Charlie if he had gotten her high sex drive going (she had been masturbating nightly)?

(4) She disappears when he is arrested only to show up the next day (Did she spend the night with Charlie trying to nurse his wounds? Carl did not seem to wonder about that possibility.) If she had decided to come back when she met with Carl the day of their date was she going to keep her dating secret from Carl? If she left because she thought Carl would divorce her wouldn't she believe that Carl would divorce her if he found out she had broken her agreement?

In the end what was her problem? She was neglected by Carl? No, she argued that she could not agree with her friends about that factor. Was they in a rut? Probably, but what would she change in their life? Carl was close to that semi-retirement change but she could not wait?

Carl was the biggest disappointment. He agrees to the separation but after 2 months it is not working out so he acts like a child. Of course, Carl never questioned why she had already decided (she rented a place) even before their discussion on separation. Then his brother must hire a detective even though Carl suspects that she may be seeing someone else. The detective had to convince him to let her work things out.

Lastly, he acts like a voyeur at the restaurant getting more and more upset (he should have been upset that his wife changed the day of their date so she could be with Charlie). He was just glad that she had not fucked Charlie. Happy Ending?

SleeplessinMD

First off, I wish that I could write as well as this author. And usually, his life like reality closely parallels mine - usually.

Here, I understood his picture of the wife in large part. Didn't like it but I could see the possibility of it happening in life.

Where I am lost is him in the world and then in this scene. He is pictured as a manly man in life and business until she ghosts out. Well really even after that but sporadically.

The lawyer brokered separation made sense, but what followed was a tainted man who didn't respect himself as much as he did her [the meanie].

I think that I could have been more realistic but that's just my viewpoint.

Tolerance can be both a virtue and vice as we see here. This story points out that if you want something badly enough you can probably get it.

The problem from my viewpoint is should you want it in the face of her disrespect and his self disrespect.

Most of all, would you be able to deal with the aftertaste - and likelihood of a repeat.

Opinions are like - well anyway author I hope for more from you.

With High Regard

When she tells him after a week she wants to separate for six months, she in the same eve announces she already has rented a place to stay and will move out tomorrow. This not a spur of the moment action. This is a planned calculated action with obvious intent and goals, not a confused woman trying to find herself. It would seem she already knew bosses son was out to get in her pants and she was just deciding when and if she would with no interaction by the husband. She so carefully eliminates the husband from her life except when it is time for thier monthly sexless "date". Husband at this point is rated below her friends and at best an acquaintance with whom she has really no intimate interaction.

Had I been her husband long before the PI, just after her actions the first month, and the first "date" divorce papers for abandoment and failure to perform her wifely duties would have been served. It would have then been her actions that would have led to divorce court or reconciliation as per my choice not hers. She is after all the one who abondoned her mate and left the martial home without even having previously discussed it with her husband. She refused counseling and any other type of reconciliation. Such a nice woman.

She even stayed with bosses son in the restaurant being manhandled without making a scene or attempting to depart and would have in all likelyhood be "seduced" that evening not so much by consent as refusal to really object in a meaningful manner and to afraid she would lose her job if she did.

By going on the date, after signing papers with lawyer that gave up property rights in the upcoming divorce, she acknowledged divorce would be the consequence of that action. Seems she was planning on divorce at this point and wanted to insure her place as bosses son's girl, remember how well she planned the intial "seperation" already having the apartment rented. Only the unplanned arrival of hubby and the public humiliation forced her to abandon her plan of action, can't imagine why she ran of crying can you?

No the gentleman would be much better off divorcing her and marrying someone he could trust as this one can never be trusted again in anything. She just doesnt really care about him.

Hope I have not upset any applecarts........... You cant forgive and forget with a cheater, it just doesnt work, and the same game will come up again.

This is a story not about misunderstandings and lack of communication, but rather a story of deceptions - self-decption, deception of a spouse, and the deceptions outsiders practice to speed the undermining of a marriage. Other commenters have touched upon the discrepencies in the wife's story and actions, and I agree with them. She responds to a question about what is bothering her with a declaration that she is demanding a trial separation, so that she can "find herself" and "decide what she wants to do with her life." In fact, when she makes this announcement, she has already leased an apartment, and has a term of separation worked out (six months.) No matter what the husband says, she's determined to separate, and yet she's oddly hesitant to make a binding agreement with a lawyer enforcing marital chastity. No matter what the husband says, she's gone out of his life, insisting that only by having alone time can she decide what to do, reassuring the husband that it isn't anything he did.

There's a lot here in this confrontation, but in some ways it rings true to me, as if the author had either experienced this at first hand or had found out about it. The wife has made a completely unilateral decision, sprung it on her unsuspecting husband, and is out the door long before he could mount an effective counterattack to save the marriage. She clearly intends that nothing get in the way of her self-made lan to escape her marriage. I put it that way because while she says she does not want to divorce, she will not explain herself to her husband, will not consider alternatives, accepts legal mediation of the separation, and insists on no contact except "dates" once a month (with a promise of sex.) She insists that once a month contact will be sufficient for both of them.

If such a thing happens in real life, I assume that the wife has decided to trade her husband in for another prospect, and is just ending the marriage in a way to ensure maximum security while she gets a commitment from her new man. I came to this cynical-sounding assumption from listening to my wife, who always says that women who divorce mostly have their next guy all taped out before making a move. It's deceptive, and this is one place where the wife is deceiving herself as well as her husband. In the "her POV" parts, she makes it clear that she isn't consciously planning to dump her husband for another man, but the signs are all there - she's nearly completely detached from her husband, she's much closer to her work friends than him, she's willing to forego physical closeness with her husband, she's cutting him off from sex altogether. The fact that she shuns all forms of intimacy with her husband puts the seal on it; the wife intends to find a new man. Her later revelation of the change in masturbatory habits was no surprise, since she's already made it plain that she's available and looking. Her acceptance of a date with the office wolf (and the owner) sets the seal on what her actions will be. She had made it plain that dates and sex with others were out during the separation, and yet she submits to an "unwanted" date with this guy. I don't for a moment believe that her job was really on the line, but it makes a good story to tell yourself when you're doing what you shouldn't. The fact that she had to cancel a 'date' with her husband to go out just makes her real desire and priority all the plainer. She may or may not be thinking this guy is good husband material, but she knows she's burning her bridges in her marriage.

The question that readers have posed is valid: can anyone really be this silly and self-deceptive? I maintain taht it does happen, and probably more frequently than we know. Most of the time, the self-deception is less destructive than this. We do it all the time, mainly deceiving ourselves that we're not dreadful people and that everything is OK. She's doing little more than that, and it's only after the fact that she can see that she really had little to complain about, and that she was putting a pretty good marriage in danger for no good reason. She doesn't appear to ever quite acknowledge the full scope of what she was doing - not surprising given the depth of her illusions, her willingness to blame others for her problems.

Now criticism of the husband is on perhaps better footing. Here's what happens: he realizes his wife is pensive and asks what the matter is. In response his wife tells him:

They should get a trial separation.

She won't tell him why.

She won't see a counselor about her "issues."

Contact with her once a month will be fine - he won't need sex any more often than that.

She's already rented an apartment and wants to leave ASAP.

and the clincher is.....

She resists having a formal agreement to remain chaste.

What should any man say to all that? In fact, as a card-carrying husband, I think I know exactly what I'd say. It would go something like this:

You say that you have to get away from me in order to find yourself and decide what you're going to do with your life. You've cut me out of your deliberations, refused to explain what's troubling you or the nature of the decisions you're making, and you've refused to go to counseling, with or without me. You've rented an apartment, decided on a contact frequency, and assured me that I'll be fine with what you've decided for me in this separation. You've ignored all my objections and requests for information, and you were offended when I requested that, given your stubborn insistence on going out on your own, we draw up a binding agreement of chastity while we are separated as you demand. In short, you are treating this marriage as one of convenience, a one-way relationship, or as already dead. I do not understand why you insist on setting aside the fact that we have a life together in deciding to do this without my support or even my opinion. Therefore Monday we won't be drawing up separation papers at all. Get a lawyer of your own. Though it tears my heart up to do this, I will move forward to initiate a divaorce as soon as I can decide how best to protect my business from the wrecjage. The way you're acting, we don't have a marriage anyway.

(In fact, I might say instaed that I want no contact with you until you have provided me with grounds for divorce. In either case, I would not want to have any contact with her while she was behaving in this high handed, unilateral way.)

I think it likely that they could have a worthwhile marriage, but probably only after divorce and reconciliation. She really needs to have an understanding of how decpetive and untrustworthy her behavior is, and he'd now need some time to rebuild his trust for her. For me, the killer came right up front - renting an apartment without talking to him. That makes it a dead marriage. As she's drawn, I don't really think she's worth the effort, but HMMV.

The husband's odd interference-reconciliation is a whole different topic. Discussing how he responded to her would require more time & space than I curently have.

not just bad; not just mediocre; not just irritating --- it's mediocre-ly AND irritatingly bad!

thank god we know curious2c as an author is actually a good writer.

if it's one of these "I love my wife with a big black man" writers, I won't even comment on it; THAT'S how bad this is! lol

a good story with a lousy ending. wife didn't give him much of an explanation for separating and then treated him very poorly in the end. many marriages survive rocky times and this one should as presented. but this wife lied and cheated at the very end and the husband oh so okay with it. cream puff ending to a good story.

don

I had to think a bit on this story. Mull it around and kick it around with some friends of mine...conclusion?

The wife is a selfish hag.

Now hear me out.

Why did the wife separate from him?

It’s actually in the story and let me quote:

Our dates hadn't been anything to write home about. They weren't at all what I had envisioned in the beginning and I was becoming certain that I had made a mistake …

Our date night hadn't been anything I had hoped it would be, but I should have realized that Carl would be at a loss as to why I had felt I needed to move out, and then the underlying tension added to that mess ... I had hoped that he'd be trying to bend over backwards to please me … Stubborn as I was though, I ignored that little voice in my head and pushed for what I selfishly wanted. MY time. MY issues. MY needs. Like some little schoolgirl I had started to push Carl away.

Yes there is some removable of stuff there but this is the main jest of the story at this point.

She didn’t want him to reflect on her; she didn’t want to think things out. What did she want?

She wanted him to ‘bend over backwards’ to get her back. Or as we have talked SO many times friends, she wanted him to fight over her.

No there wasn’t some other man to war against, this time he was warring against her selfishness AND her Cinderella dreams.

He was to wine and dine her, he was to romance her and make her feel the queen.

Not any of this “what is wrong with us, what can we do to fix it” TALKING crap.

It wasn’t that the wife COULDN’T communicate… it was that she WOULDN’T communicate.

She was doing the “we’ve been together X number of years, you HAVE to know what I want, now do it” bit.

Now being ignored emotionally and intellectually IS a problem in marriages, both men and women do it. The USUAL ‘reasons’ are for him the job and for her the children. This IS serious, many, many, MANY marriages break under this.

And it should have HERE.

Another key? The date, here are the facts:

1: she ‘forgot’ her once-a-month date with the husband? The time she is suppose to be looking forward to each month for her dose of romance?

Right. Seriously, if she WAS going to end the separation, why go out on a date period? Hecks just tell the boss that you and the husband are going to reconcile and she is not going to go out.

Either this woman is totally lying to him and us, she is one of those “can’t disappoint ANYONE (remember she was doing what her friend said irregardless of the results and pain to her husband and marriage) or she is about one diagnosis away from the ward.

2: when she is in the restaurant, she lets the guy paw her. Ok girls; let’s talk turkey here. How many of you would let a first time date walk into a place with his hand on your ass, fondle you while waiting to be seated and even more while seated?

Hands? No one, no one…no you don’t count there the back.

Now what about this… how many women if they are out with a man they love and are already worked up about, would let him do the same. A man that you might be willing to bed that night?

Yeah slowly some more hands come up. Not all but some.

AND notice how HER perspective STOPPED before the date. We never see the story at the point ‘from inside her head’.

So here is my final wrap up on this and I KNOW that someone will have counter point to mine.

The wife was totally selfish in wanting what she wanted, the romance and Cinderella story dates. She wanted to FORCE husband into a set of actions BUT was unwilling to tell him what the actions were to be.

Then we have this mysterious and really unreliable and very suspicious ‘date’ that she went on. Totally puts HER in a bad light. I have to agree with another reviewer, what if the date HADN’T been caught/an ass?

Oh and finally, yes risq is right that the husband was a wuss. He flip flops around, reverses himself on his ‘don’t cheat on me’ stance, and TEHN in my view take FAR too much blame on himself to get her back.

I mean, seriously when she was really pulling away from him, he suggested counseling and was BEGGING her to tell him what to do? Does anyone actually think that if she said she wanted more romance he wouldn’t; have rallied his personal forces and hit her with the full charge of he rose and LUV brigade?

So why did she really go on that one date? I have my idea. She wanted that one romantic dinner that one romance before she went back to the ‘drab’ life she was in. She wanted her one shot at her dream.

And screw him or anyone else if it hurts them.

Harry analysis while coarse and somewhat vulgar is essentially correct. It seem clear that the author never saw these huge holes in the story like this

they are having a date -- 1 a month--- after 3 months she still has not said a word about WHAT is bothering her so deeply

they are married ow many years ???? and after three months she STILL will tell him NOTHING?

from the story

I was surprised when our THIRD DATE night came up and realized that it had been THREE months now. I called her up, thinking that if she sounded at all like she had over our last two dates that I'd just call it off. I was about to give up trying, having exhausted myself with work and worry.

"Hey...it's Carl. You all ready for our date Paige?"

"Oh hi Carl. I'm about ready. Are you going to pick me up then?"

"Well, should I?"

"What do you mean?"

"I mean, should I even bother? Our last two dates were obviously nothing to write home about Paige. You seem a million miles away and you refuse to talk about us. I'm your husband...remember me? Carl, your husband?"

"I know this has been hard Carl. I need just a few more months though. I have figured out some things...I just have a few more..."

"Yeah? Well, figure out this...I can't take our separation any more Paige. I've about hit as low as I can go. If you're just going to pull my chain, we might as well call this all off and call it quits. I've tried to be as patient as I can, and YOU STILL WONT GIVE ME AS LITTLE AS CLUE AS TO WHAT IS UP WITH YOU. I've tried everything I can...I have no other things to do...no ideas, no tricks...nothing. I want you home with me Paige. I need you. I love you. Please...come home."

NOT YET .....

"Not yet. I just can't. I need just a little more time. Just a few more months."

"Paige, in a few more months we'll be in divorce court. I can't take it anymore. It's been three months..."

"And you've been wonderful giving me the space I need Carl. I'm begging you...I need a little more time...just three more months ...please."

"I'll see you next month then...if we still care at all. Goodbye Paige."

I hung up before she could respond to me. I just didn't want to hear anything she had to say at that point. I had tried to understand, but with no information or even a hint as to what was bothering her, I just couldn't figure anything out

No matter what problem she is having after 3 months she cannot and will not tell him in person or by phone WHAT is wrong???

this story makes NO sense

who can wife talk too.why leave and not talk to doctor,plot sucked.to me the wife was a dumby.hubby was to good to her.what would come up next in her weak mind.

Average quality writing. The basic premise of the story makes the outcome seem unlikely. The marriage is fundamentally flawed. Why would they stick it out?

I love your last one curious 2c... and made it clear WHY I did and how great it was

wow this is soooo bad and so warpped dont know where to begin. This is nothing but Man bashing story and the underlying idea or moral is a wife can do anything at any time in any way to her dumb fuck Man and he will accept it

For the author to assert that this was some sort of COMMUNICATION problem between a husband and wife is a sick joke and just Bullshit. Thats like saying we need another 20,000 more troops in Itaq when what is needed is 100,000+ or a pullout....

Fudamentally this mariage cannot possibly survive.

Suppose a year from now the wife CLAIMS to need ANOTHGER break... another round of MORE time alone?

Based on what happened here why would CARL obejct?

on what basis COULD he possibly object?

The wife is vile and self centered like most but not all woman. She is also a BIG time Liar. She lied to him many times.

Fiust lie -- this one by omission -- She let others at work smear and drag her hsuband through the mud and Not one time did the wife ever say anything to defend him.

Not one time -- according to the wife's verison -- did she speake up to say "hey Carl isnt that bad...".

if the wife is going through some sort of Mid life crisis that is one thing. But how does shitting on her spouse help her? How are those actions justifed?

even then Carl whose "CRIME" was working too hard...

(oh my god what a bastard!!!) TRIED to get her to take an intermediate step ... such as seeing a marriage counselor she refused.

Even more amazing in this moronic story is that even after she realized how badly she had hurt Carl and that he was NOT trying anymore she went on a DATE-- which she was NOT suppose to do... then LIED to him AGAIN about it the day before.

Think about it.

The ONLY reason the wife came to her "senses" is b/c the Date was with a asshole-- her leacherous Boss -- and she was caught by her own husband and friends.

****** It is bad enough to go on a date while separated... but in THIS story the wife KNOWS how badly she has hurt her husband... how she never defended him... how she never wanted to talk things out ... all b/c of her own self centeredness. she admits this in the story.

THEN after realzing all that the wife AGREES go on a date with Another man?!??!?

my god how can anyone accpet that?

Suppose the date was Great? suppose the wife was not caught that nigutb? suppose Carl never found out that his own wife stood him up?

they would still be separated...

BTW why is it that whenever a woman wanst to work hard at their careers most men accept that but If the husband works too hard it is always a form of neglect?--

There wasn't any consistent theme in this story that I could find. Other readers have alluded to that same discontent. However, other than the confusion in the story line, the story was well written without any of the glaring grammatical or punctuation errors that plague most of the writing on this site. Other than that, I’m stumped for any way to analyze this. Unfortunately, it was just too bland.

It was an ok story but I think the wife was too obtuse and the husband was too understanding. It was nice that she didnt ask for a separation in order to facilitate sleeping with other guys but I thought the guy was kinda emotionless. He said he was starting to get angry once but it never amounted to much. He sure didnt act angry.

The point form summary below basically summed him up. He was just a lump in this story. He he was just there to hang around waiting for the wife. He said he got angry but the scene outside the jail was pretty quick and he didnt seem to have much in the way of hard feelings or doubts.

I also dislike the fact that many authors who get shit for forcing a couple to stay together seem to think that everyone wants physical violence against the man. You seem to think that as long as the husband beats on the guy she cheated with (or dated in this case), then the wife's actions are irrelevant. 'People are going to complain the guy was a wimp so Ill have him punch the boyfriend. That will satisfy the hardliners.' Problem is, after you have him punch the guy, its back to the same old instant reconciliation, husband without doubts, routine. Nothing wrong with punching the boyfriend but that doesnt solve the real problems. He (other guy) was right that she was a free agent when the date happened. She left her husband and went out on a date with him. Whats he supposed to think? That doesnt give him a right to get grabby when she didnt want it, but he wasnt the one that asked for the separation.

Like I said though, it was still nice to see them together at the end. I just thought it was rushed and the husband could have shown more emotion than he did. Thanks for writing.

On one hand liked that they came out ok in the end. That they managed to stay together and seemed to work out a way to stay married that seemed to work for them.

But on the other hand I didn't like that the wife was running the husband down to others, left her husband and their house on just her friends advice, and let the owners son pretty much paw her in public, until they were seated at the resturant and it reached the point of no return.

For me it seemed to show a lot of disrespect to the husband left and right and that she didn't seem to have much of a backbone as far as her marriage was concerned. Like she was trying to discover a new life without the husband and see if she would like it. It was a safety net without the full worry of a divorce, all while in the story the husband had no safety net and was sure the marriage was over. It was a very selfish thing for the wife's character to do.

But the husband's character kinda wasn't much better.

While I'm almost 100% sure you tried to show a husband who was desperate to show his wife that he loved her, and was willing to do what ever it took to get her back, at times he appeared to display a backbone, only to almost do a complete 180 and appear to be whiney and desperate. Sometimes in the same conversation. But he only flopped around between those two extremes and never really settled on one or the other. There didn't seem to be a middle ground. And while I applaude him standing up for his wife at the resturant, to me it seemed to be for the wrong reasons.

He didn't confront the wife to see why she broke their dinner date/agreement at first or see why she seemed to put off their date when it appeared she was doing so to be with another man. He confronted the man who was with his wife because he wanted him to keep his hands off his wife. He was convinced, without hearing or her saying anything to him overtly, that she wanted to be rid of her dinner date. That just screams "stalker" to me than loving husband. Specially when they are in the middle of a trial seperation that she was the one to ask for.

She made/accepted the date as an adult, but he started thinking and acting for her, and she thanked him for it. Why didn't he confront them and let her tell him to ask the guy to take a hike? That seemed to catch me off guard. He didn't seem to be jealous for the right reasons or jump to the obvious conclusions when confronted with them.

Don't get me wrong. The story was a good read, but it kept giving me nagging thoughts. Like the whole purpose was to keep them together regardless of what happened. But the whineiness of his character and the lack of backbone with her character (willing to leave her husband because her friends told her to and even go on a couple dates with another man because they told her too) made her seem less than idea material to stay married too.

And the other thing that got me was you had the story told from two different sides of the coin, but Paige was the only one you defined at one point as starting her side of the story. I had to re-read sometimes to see who was speaking based on the point of view. That confused me at times.

-Risq

it's not another "you poor bastard" story and well written too! Great!

Just about everyone behaved irrationally in this story and the few paragraphs trying to explain the motivations at the end seemed like an afterthought.

"I have to go find myself, but you can't know why."

"Ok wife, I hate this idea, but I'll go along with it."

"Whoops, I'm out on a date with a guy just like I assured you I wouldn't be."

"Well, you seemed to be doing fine rebuffing him, but I beat him up anyway. By the way, I forgive you."

"Oh, hey, it turns out it was really your work habits that were driving me away. When you were begging me to tell you if it was something you were doing that was the problem so you could change it, I guess I just forgot that part."

Do these seem like human thought processes at any point? I don't think so. Seems more akin to puppetry to me.

As usual, I loved your story line and the characters that seemed so real. Can't wait for your next one...

The writing is so-so, but I became interested in the characters and what would happen to them. I liked the fact that it was not entirely predictable.

than a bit of "grievous bodily injury" to calm ones soul!

Well done in catching his pain and her confusion. I did like the story a lot!

Regards, Jack

Well written. I didn't know exactly where it was going but it got there! Bravo!

who is self centered and a ral bitch plus she sounds like she just postponed being awhore too. Good fucking luck.

No 15 inch black cocks, or whimp husbands, just a good story, I must be one the wrong site. Thank You!

my title says it all.thank you for a wonderful read.