All Comments on 'Big Mouth Ch. 02'

So she disrespects him, lies to him, dates someone else, doesn’t show up to mandated court sessions, goes on a date instead and he is wrong.

fFS

nobody's perfect and we all say stupid chit we wish we hadn't . sometimes we just have to know when we're wrong and try to fix it .

If you overhear your wife saying your not good in bed then of course your going to have problems with your confidence. It's not an ego thing.....it's just being human.

Thought a lot about this story. The only way to get her back would be to bad mouth her to his friends (and the next meeting and make sure she hears). Says she just lies there like a receptacle as a cum dump. No oral, no kissing, no affection, but what could he do, she is the mother of his kids so he is stuck. That would do the trick.

The lesson is quite simple. Never discuss your sex life with your husbands friends and the wives were also his friends. Probably shouldn't discuss it with anyone.

He was a horses arse and she was a stubborn mules arse.

But together they were one

5/5

This was a real good concept but I don't think that the author executed it very well. Heather was very clearly in the wrong and while she wanted to make amends to her husband, and while I understand her frustration with him, it was VERY CLEAR that she did not understand the depths of how she had wounded him, hell it didn't sound like anyone in the story really did - and this is a big problem.

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Look at it this way - she had so utterly destroyed him that he couldn't even THINK about seeing another woman, or any woman for that matter, yet instead she was angry enough to go out on a date with someone FROM HER WORK and not only that, dress up (obviously) for a date at their counseling session. It's just like twisting the knife if you ask me. It was a real bad miss-step on behalf of the author and the story suffered GREATLY from it because it did nothing but make the reader further dislike Heather.

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In fact, by the time we got to the end of the story, my feelings about the situation had entirely changed - I went from wanting to see them reconcile (and wondering how they were going to do it) to wishing Steve had just divorced her and moved on. Also, for the record, any time I hear anyone say "fragile male ego" I immediately file them away as a sexist piece of shit. Having that sort of toxic behavior come out of your female lead, even if she was justifiably angry, just ruins her character. It's like if a husband would emotionally abuse his wife and then when she starts to cry and get upset just blame her for "being on the rag". It's disgusting behavior only appropriate for villains in a story.

The counselor Ann should loose her license, sheesh

ok story that focused on a lot of bad communication.

found this exchange infuriating... they just had a breakthrough at a critical time of their therapy...

"You have time for a cup of coffee?" I didn't want it to end just yet.

"I kind of have plans," she said sheepishly.

The mc really acted like a kid didn't he? And the wife was a bitch as well.. not burn the bitch level. And the counsellor fucked them, the wife missed one nothing happened, whereas the husband really comes out losing. The wife always wins counseling is a scam..the counseling husband and wife I bet the husband was a cuck. His first question how do you feel imagining other man with your wife like wtf? So much so for the wife loves. She started dating when their divorce wasn't even finalize. She said she had to stop seeing her coworker which means she was dating. Man talk about moving on fast with all the proclamation of her love.

Wouldn't personally 'burn the bitch'. But won't take her back. All this nonsense this days and some author's back it up saying it's fragile male ego, it's not. Sure the mc went overboard. But she disrespected him in the worst way possible. Even fantasising her ex lover,admitting to it boastfully. So after hearing all this how can the mc ever trust her again, even naming her vibrator her ex lover name. She's bringing someone inside their intimate moments, just get a divorce and part ways that's all. And by God the counseling they deserve to be the one that burns. What if it was the mc saying all that, that she couldn't satisfy her in bed? That he thinks about his ex lover who satisfy her more? The whole society would have burn the mc on the spot.

They are both scumbag cheaters, Steve knew her character way before he married her and she was playing the game of "I've had my fun so who's the best bet for a husband" game. PEOPLE DO 🚫 GET MARRIED

Heather is a fool! She should have hauled away from poor, (God. how I pity me) Steve and found herself a real man. Amazing how he brought all his pathetic problems upon himself.

Anyone that wants to know how psychologically damaging faking orgasms can be, try doing it to your wife. After a couple times she'll be beside herself thinking you don't like her, let alone love her, anymore.

The histrionics just got a bit much. The MC really was behaving like a little kid. The wife, like far too many women, said things that she'd never accept being said about her by her partner.

Should the MC have wanted a divorce? Well he didn't get dna tests on the kids, so that would imply that outside of concrete evidence he believe she wanted to be with him, he just couldn't get his head around the why. Ultimately a trust issue, but what kind of person doesn't understand and accept that women fake orgasms and that all sorts of things go through a person's mind while they're having sex, for men it's mostly things to put off an orgasm, but honestly I doubt many men don't think about sexy chicks when banging their aging, overweight wives.

Its somewhat hilarious that in LW the wives are all statistical outliers, toned - or recently gym toned, within 20lbs of bmi and cellulite and wrinkle/double chin/leaning jowlers free.

Strange, considering we're going through an obesity epidemic and most women that have given birth have wider hips, saggier tits and are lucky its only 20lbs extra.

I guess it wouldn't be much of a story if he'd said 'So you think I'm not as good as Brian in bed and I think you're a fat cunt, so bye'.

If I had been the protagonists in this story I would have fired the counselors. While they seemed to be making good progress, the wife's short bitter statement that she wanted the marriage to end followed by the husband's statement of love, etc. should have evoked a much more perspective response from the counselors. All that was said to her was she should go home and rethink her statement. This gave the husband no hope. The women counselor telling the wife to make up a story about leaving him and taking the kids to Florida to start a new life and remarry in order to get a rise out of her husband ? He was already close to thinking the marriage was over and the "going to Florida" statement pushed him to the conclusion that reconciliation was hopeless because his wife had already made arrangements for her move. The counseling process was good. The implementation was badly flawed.

I would have been devastated if I found my wife was fantasising about her previous lover for TEN YEARS!, used his memory to get off while I was making love to her, and had even named their toys after him, so she could feel his size again. Anyone who cannot undertand the MC's state of mind after hearing that little lot, or thinks that's just 'fragile male ego' has no imagination!

Comparing the above to the MC masterbating to porn or what-ever, its very far from the mark.

To be fair, no man thinks he gets his partner off every time, its just not realistic (as his wife pointed out actually, time, kids, etc) - this is however not a problem in my experience as every single long tern partner i've had, did not require wall-to-wall orgasms every time, as they get satisfaction in a way a man doesn't, by taking you into their bodies and having that emotional connection - and of course, taking you orgasm! - so that part of the story feels too stretched, but I suppose on top of the main revelation, its kind of understandable.

I think overall, the MC went too far, particularly with having small children - but I really do wonder how you could get back to 'normal' if it was me.

I thought he would fuck it up forever. Otherwise a good story.

Women compare as well aware. Professions,work type,etc only makes it more or less explicit.

Some men do also.

Minority of believers that privates are named correctly

Hmm so, why was she dating?

Great story, very realistic. 5 Stars

Great story. 5 stars

I, personally, wouldn't 'burn that bitch', but I could never take back such a disrespectful woman. A woman who thinks of other men when fucking me. That's just unacceptable. I'd like my woman to be on my team supporting me--as I support her--not tearing me down in front of everyone.

Phenomenal. Realistic.Full of emotions. Snarky dialogue.

One a more serious note.....stuff like this can happen in real life and judging from the comments below, many men would choose to burn the woman rather than reconcile. Many woman across all world cultures have a tendency to bash their own husband's when in the company of their girlfriends. I say this with conviction and experience.

It was a roller coaster. But good ending.

More ups and downs than a Duncan Yo-yo. LOL! Thanks for your effort. I know I make light, but, I'm sure 98% of we readers couldn't write anything close to this... Thanks.

Yeah, no

In so many LW stories, the husbands angst is always written off as "male ego", or pride.Fact of the matter is Heather DID cheat.By badmouthing her husband, by fantasies involving ex boyfriends she made it plain she didnt repect him.It could be argued his reaction was excessive, but her transgressions were real and almost overlooked by the counselers.Also what was that dating bullshit on her part about?

Massive Femdom agitprop taunting men with their legal advantages and ease of getting another man. Court ordered counseling is a Femdom outrage against men and a giant overreach by courts. BTW the kids are happier when their parents are happier, even when divorced. A. I wouldn’t stay with a woman like that, prob never would have married her. B. Counseling does NOT work. Nothing works when the marriage doesn’t work.

Taking on Brian… naw. Just record what he said that Heather was a lousy lay and gave lousy head. Then play it for the group, and tell the guys that Heather was a lousy lay, never swallowed and never gave him her ass. Steve then told them about his male masturbation toy and how much better than Heather’s head job, … oh and he named it Barb…

Many reads. Remains convoluted.

I noticed a dichotomy this time.

Brian humiliated and slapped Heather. With that, she would never fantasise about him to get her atop the hill. And name the contraption Brian? Impossible!

Dating another guy while supposedly trying to save her marriage? No way do you take her back.

Great story! I love analyzing stories!

It's not about 'bruising his male ego', it's about having respect for your partner. It's about defending them in public not tearing them down. It's about open communication and helping your partner have confidence, self-worth, and self-esteem, not taking them away.

She didn't view him as an equal partner deserving the same respect she expected, she was a bad woman.

There are truly good women out there who are honest, and make their man feel loved and special, the same way their man does for them.

I wouldn't stay with her.

Good story. The theme was very interesting to me. I am realizing this author comes up with some great and realistic themes. Not great writing and often poor endings, but excellent ideas, and truthful ones .

The wife destroyed him. Pretending he was her x to get off!!! Naming her toys after her x. MC focused on the lieing, but the behavior was the problem . She cheated on her x with MC. Big red flag She manipulated him thru out the marriage, demanding oral and refusing to return the favor. But she did seem to not withhold sex atleast. It is interesting on how much slack is always cut the female, and how the man is always a wimp/cuck/coward in the comments. I mean your wife lie's by ommission for 10 years, names her toys after her x, and fantasizes he is her x to finish. Loudly and viscously tells all their friends at a party... Friggin yikes. As an aside, is there a more hateful phrase than fragile male ego? Or men's fragile little ego? Rarely are female thought so demeaned. Sure they make bad choice's, do mean and dumb shit and are criticized for it harshly in many stories, but but never as cruely and as hatefuly as that phrase.

Stupid husband. Jealous of a dildo. Talk about fragile ego. He was the the perfect example

Her defense is that she emasculated and humiliated him in jest? How is this a jest? This is something you do for fun?

"if I persisted she would get her own lawyer and take me for everything I had." - Wow, that really sounds like someone who wants to get back together.

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"I hope they will hate him until he's dead and buried for it." - I assume she'll try her best to make that happen.

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"The reason I wasn't here last Thursday was because I was telling Adam I couldn't see him any more." - "Any more" means that she WAS seeing him, and she couldn't just call him to tell him that?

Can I give stars to people's comments? Wow some very good points.

I was once married to a Latino. Her latin clique would discuss their husbands. One person discussed, my boss, apparently he liked to masterbate a lot. My wife felt the need to inform me. Now I am the type that particularly doesn't care what another man does in the privacy of his own home, however since most of the women's husband's also worked for the man. I thought a whole lot less of the woman that spilled the beans. It did set me off though. I inquired if I had made it into their discussions. She was reluctant to tell me.

It made me very uncomfortable when her friends were checking out my junk. Of course I am not an idiot she had to also tell them not so nice things about me as well. I informed her that from here on anything about us was off limits. Marriages are not the only thing that is on the line.

The Anonymous commenter from. 2 months ago with the post starting with "Lot of back and forth..." has an excellent analysis (though long) of the two main characters. Well written but exhausting with a lot of histrionics. Agre thatbshe really fucked up emasculated him and not realizing how bad she hurt his confidence, but part of that was prejudiced by the fact that Brian didn't get her off all the time either. But then the MC overreacts, can't trust anything she says, lie detector test helps on certain things and not nowhere and he goes ballistic becoming angry aggressor in the divorce. She fights a successful holding action trying to derail the divorce until the judge gets in and orders counseling. For most of the counseling she is more mature but also was hiding important things that could help his self-confidence. However the St Augustine bed and breakfast ruse was idiotic and could get the counselor in hot water with her certification. Really stupid. Was said to see her letter where she just wanted it to end, but she had been through the wringer fighting the divorce. I know so many people get pissed that she casuallybdated a guy from work several times (with no sex), but he is the one who filed and pushed hard for divorce and it has been a.long, stressful 6 months. Objectively that is on him. Heightens the melodrama though. Still don't get why she thought it reasonable to skip.the one session to break it off with Adam. Expect they were emotionally connected prior to dating and she felt she had to break it off to fully commit to reconciliation. Of course her biggest issue is she took forever even in counseling to really apologize. But she did love her husband, never cheated, and was except for the St Augustine hoax, picking a Thursday night to skip counseling to break up with the new guy who was probably getting more serious than her, and her lack of true apology til late, for most of the story past the opening salvo, she was way more mature than the MC.

Wife was silly but she loved her hubby. Husband was truly ass

Second reading, it earned 4 stars. Whew, it took a while to do so.

Hated this ending.

Didn't make sense. This wife character's an unlikable cunt.

And the wife tells him that Ann told her to say that shit about taking the kids to Florida to get a rise out of him? As in Ann the counselor? She told her patient to lie in the exercise to her other client in order to get a reaction?

Uhhh...doubtful. That is the stupidest thing a therapist could have done.

Do you know what happens to fathers/men when they lose everything? Lose hope of being in their children's lives? Her telling him she was going to take the kids and move to another state after she had already shredded his life? Bad reactions can happen when all hope is lost.

Extreme reactions happen a lot of the times. Suicides. Murders. To the extreme.

But even less extreme. What if he simply quits his job, loads the kids up, cleans out his 401k and takes them to Mexico and disappears with them?

What if he just disappears himself? Leaves before anything is decided. Since he's paying for most of the living expenses...she's fucked. She can't divorce him until 3nough time passes for abandonment. He's not there to sign off the deed to the house in order to sell it.

The house is foreclosed. She can't pay any bills. She's fucked. He's in the Philipines...living off the 100k he took from his 401k. You can live a long time under the radar in the Philipines. And she's totally fucked. What does he have to lose? He's losing everything anyway. Right?

All because Ann...the therapist tells the wife to lie to him about taking rhe kids and moving far away...

Yeah. That's a stupid premise. No therapist is gonna tell a patient in couples counseling to lie about something so important just to get a reaction. Sorry. That's just a dumb plot point.

I hated this ending. Ridiculous. Who wants to live with someone who at the drop of a hat is willing to tell the entire neighborhood that you are worthless and a pathetic fuck with a tiny dick? That's not a woman that loves you. That's That's woman who has zero respect for you. Divorce her. You are still young enough to start over.

She still ain't worth it.

Maybe if Heather had acknowledged the fact that she basically eviscerated her husband's self confidence in the bedroom and not just told him he was wrong to take it the way he did, most of the weeks and months of strife could have been avoided? Not to mention the belittling remarks about his fragile male ego. I found her insulting and callous throughout 90% if the story. I couldn't like her.

Uhh just re-reading this and caught something, that obviously could be a mistake by the author, but if its not its a cool subtle hint.

In part 2 with the counselors she says:

"He never heard me tell the girls what a great time we had on our anniversary and how I thank my stars every night I married him instead of that ass Brian."

Claiming that this what was she said before he came in

But in part 1 he overhears the following:

"Brian?" Rhonda asked with a puzzled look on her face. "You named your vibrator Brian?"

"An ex-boyfriend, but by far the best lover I ever had.

If she had actually told the other ladies "I thank my stars every night I married him instead of that ass Brian."

The why would Rhonda be confused about who Brian is?

Seems this was yet another lie...

One star, a real let down and not what I expected from slirpuff

ABSOLUTE TRASH STORY!! HEATHER IS A BITCH AND STEVE IS A WEAK WIMP WITH NO BALLS

Why the hell does she skip a session to tell Adam she can't date him? Call him on the phone. And why does she get away with skipping a session? No justice!

Lot of back and forth. She takes forever really apologize. He has all the right to feel publicly humiliated but then he overreacts and doesn't believe anything she says. And yet she holds out really important information until the counseling sessions. His ready use of the word hate and not loving her anymore is over the top. And no having dildos (while he masturbates twice a week) is not a form of emotional cheating. And yes it is not cool to hear that a spouse sometimes fantasizes about someone else to get over the top, but it happens. Also love isn't only about orgasms. And people rarely marry their best lover if they have played the field before. Best in a physical sense. Tehcnical proficiency can readily grow over time (she admits to the ladies hr got better with time, see the beginning) and with experience with your partner. He has some serious ego issues. Buck up if need be yo get better in bed. She has been faithful and her answer about thinking with others is inconclusive on the lie detector. Means a partial truth most likely. She should have told him what she wanted him to do. But also at times she comes off as more mature in the counseling sessions talking about she need foreplay but with kids and jobs, that isn't always possible. So she doesn't always get off and she fakes it then. Buy instead of saying not in the mood or a headache like many wives, she never denied him. On the other hand her letter where she just wants it over was hyper bitchy. The plot with Ann the female counselor to threaten a move to another town in Florida is crazy. Counselor eould never advise that. Her going out with a guy from work is not the end of the world. She had gone months without her husband, they are in a vicious divorce and though she wanted sex (this fiasco had gone on for six months, with no sex), she did not skeep with the guy. Hey the MC filed. But then the session where he wants to admit he wants to make it work, she doesn't show. Why? To tell Adam she needs to break it off? How the heck is that a valid excuse to get out of court ordered counseling? Then the car standoff. Ok interesting imagery. All he wants is honesty and an apology. She never did a true apology until the car scene because she never thought what she didnwas terrible and she though he escalated things. He did exacerbate things in his midn and the lie detector test did not heal things. He puts a ton of work into fucking her brains out and she said she liked it. He flips out she didn't LOVE it. How mature is that? Yet she holds key things in. Why even Brian didn't get off all the time and he was selfish liver and she prefers Steve's tender lovemaking. She doesn't need to get off all the time and she wanted to spare his feelings. It sounds like vaginal penetration is a bit difficult for her to let go and fully enjoy to orgasm. But she does like it. Brian pounded her like crazy and she still didn't ways get off because he was selfish and little.to no foreplay. Yet she is greedy by not giving blowjobs with her husband. It takes the final session to learn why she left Brian. How he derided her and attacked her insecurities. How though Brian may be the better physical lover with nine inches, she loves what cherishes her time with her husband more. This can be a big hangup for us guys, but seriously? Man up and get better. And when they get back together he does and they sre both happier. Wss she a bitch with the other housewives. Yes. Yes she was. But after being angry for a couple of weeks and if she had really apologized sooner, this should not have escalated to Defcon 2. Interesting tale, but a lot of back and forth, with a lot of hidden stuff that should have been communicated sooner. The St Augustine gambit was just hurtful and ill advised. What did she expect about her dating? He filed, they fought, and she was a stressed yo the gills with no husband, thinking it is over. He became the aggressor in the divorce and only her fighting it so it went to a judge gave them a chance. Then henis butthurt when she swing back angry and wanting to move on during counseling. Complex characters with communication issues. She clearly loves Steve. But she was stupid to emasculate him at the beginning and not truly apologize earlier. She kept trying to downplay it. A lot could have been avoided if she came clean about their sex and Brian and her insecurities early on. But then again he didn't trust anything she said until the second counselor session with the husband/wife team. Good story. But exhausting lol.

I’m not sure the author intended to make the MC appear overly sensitive about the situation but I can’t help but feel the wife and the married counselors believed it. Heather NEVER really admits she was wrong wrong wrong, both by her humiliating comments at the party but also by not communicating with her husband about her needs. The counselors are the WORST! In no way were they objective about the situation.

1. They immediately “diagnose” the problem as her embarrassing Steve in front of their friends, not the years of Heather lying.

2. Equating his masturbating to thoughts of other women to her getting off during their lovemaking by thinking of Brian was WRONG.

3. Ann helping Heather “cheat” during the one exercise also showed the counselors had no intention of getting Heather to understand the damage she’d done. Only getting Steve to “get over himself.”

If the wife of an average sized man is stretching herself out regularly with massive dildos she's never going to be satisfied with him. It's a form of cheating.

Great story about the value of honest and open communication in a marriage. Some good marriages hit the rocks because they never got the chance to do what these two did. 5 stars.

Ed

Wrong ending,she should have dumped him.He is nothing but a whiner and a loser.

I can relate to this story. This is as realistic as it gets.

I must have read this story more than a few times.

You are are one good writer as the number of comments illustrate.

I think this is a prime example of pride turning men into monsters, even looking at the cesspool of some of the comments.

He nuked his entire family because he couldn't rock out 15 O's for his wife everytime, total shocker here but the vast majority of men aren't studs in bed, women lie about that stuff all the time precisely for this reason.

I enjoyed it, it dragged on a little bit more than it probably should have, but overall I think it was good.

Should've divorced the bitch. Go back and look at all their conversations. After the incident, she couldn't have one conversation without insulting him in some fashion.

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Ole Slirp doesn't know men and apparently can't stand to be around them. Her men are always wimpy and indecisive, the women always strong and aggressive. 2 stars.

Bad story started ok but Heather was a self absorbed bitch. Divorce the slag and move o n

The epitome of "Women always right".

She can badmouth him all day,fantasize about BBC 9in long when having sex with hubby and still manage to make him the bad guy in the end and the wife gets away with some sympathy and wrist slap.

How would the wife feel if he'd have to think at a porn actress to get off with her or if she cought him slut mouthing her as "bad in bed,usless,etc" to everybody?

Bullshit full on

Femdom agitprop: those damned male egos again! But, it does show how quickly and unexpectedly our lives can spin out of control and we only think we know our spouses.

Great LW story. Strong plot, and you could practically see the characters in your mind as they fought it out. That being said, everyone in the story sucked.

kinda a bs ending for such a great peice

Good aet up but the wife is fucked up...fragile male ego horse crap she opened her big mouth and he did not like what she said. What did she expect? Ot seemed like a cop out on the writers part as if this explained his reaction. You lobe someone amd she basically spit in his face. That has nothing to witch at o amd everything to do with respect for you partner and marriage

This is one of the best setups for a LW story I've seen. No slutty wife or cuck hubby, but rather an average man who faces questions about his ability and comparisons with past lovers. I'd guess most of us can probably relate.

Great story as always. Damn, Steve sure was a crybaby pussy. He had a right to be upset about the comment but took it way to far

Liked the story 5*

A well written story, however, Steve comes across as immature and quite honestly a complete waste of space

Started strong … ended lame. Heather is a lying, manipulative bitch, who said and did things that no man should tolerate, let alone forgive.

Steve screwed up for playing the “pick me dance” when they first got together. She showed him who she was and he saw it thru lust goggles.

1/5

An interesting variation on the bruised ego theme. People can say stupid, hurtful things at times but it takes a very special kind of pathetic, insecure dickhead to allow a few drunken remarks to completely destroy a marriage.

A clever piece of writing and, although I usually lean towards reconciliation, I can't help feeling that someone as insecure as Steve would be a liability in any relationship.

LA

What gets me is forced counciling sessions by a judge... It undermines individual rights regardless of the greater good for the family. This wife I would have left and started over .

I don't think I commented on this story before. It is uneven but it has some great lines in it, like the letter from the assignment. I think the female character lacks empathy whereas I am sure most women would have that empathy.

Disrespecting and belittling your spouse in public is playing a dangerous game, especially on that subject and I am sure that some couples would have divorced over it. If I said that my wife is a dead fish in the bedroom in front of all our friends (I chose that because she is not at all) we would sure be close to divorce (or a sexless marriage).

So it is OK that she goes Luton a date? She did not "sleep" with him but for some period of time there had to be something going on.

Guy has to move on. Let her have Adam and hopefully they get-together and any payments he has go away.

Does the author of any of these stories know any male who is not a feckless whimp?...including himself.

Good grief! She. Is. Trash.

Wow. That really escalated. The first chapter had some story too it. The first counselor was a disaster with the poorly worded (fifth) question(s) on the lie detector test. That did damage. Their inability to talk things out was stunning. Then they did the separation and the husband decided to just move on. Really? I am a guy, married 29 years, and despite the When Harry Met Sally meme, there is no way that the MC would be so clueless as to be confident (most of the time) that his wife is having a real orgasm. Otherwise he is just clueless or really is a terrible lover. Besides don't they also do oral? Did he notice any difference then? His major claim was he could not trust anything she said about him satisfying her. Does he really think their 9th anniversary was bad for her pleasure? I know he was humiliated and disrespected. The wife screwed up bad but did try to apologize. But when it went to a 3 month separation, the husband was becoming psychotic. Wtf? Then the bitter divorce with the Deus ex machina of the judge to send them to competent counselors (though I think there is an ethical breach by suggesting that the wife intentionally lie about moving away; a really big deal). The later counseling sessions were good. The wife's missing a crucial session after big reveals about the past and how she loved her husband and felt he was a better lover (contradicts the polygraph test, but seems actually genuine given the context) was really appalling. Then I felt for the MC. I don't begrudge the wife having a guy she dated because they had been separated and then going through an ugly divorce. She was honest when she said she didn't sleep with him but wanted to but still loved her husband. One of the big things was her admitting fault that she SHOULD have talked to her husband about how she felt with their sex life. That it took a Mexican standoff in the counselors' parking lot was a bridge too far. Of course at that point neither trusted anything they said. It was good to see they got back together but the wife was also quite stupid. If she really wanted to get he husband back especially with the separation, she needed to be honest about Brian, her not being in the mood, the foreplay requirements, what she liked and didn't about their sex life, etc. But also the MC was so emasculated and had so little self confidence that he could not listen. Of course all ends well at the end but how did it really escalate nto a situation where a couple of different missteps would derail everything. For example her not showing up for counseling and then the MC being a no-show next session, if the male counselor had not exercised his authority to force the MC to be present on the next session, they would be divorced. Wtf? What if she had been a couple seconds late and not done the Mexican standoff with the car, when the MC stormed out. Honestly, at the start I empathized with the MC, but when deep into the separation and divorce, I really empathized more with the wife (except skipping the one visit, and lying about moving and uprooting the kids) than the MC. And no I am not a wimp or a cuck. I peel my wife off the ceiling just dandy and often. The MC had serious problems with trust, communication, and his ego. Glad he finally got his head out of his butt.

What a shit story with a shitty, cheating, feckless, faithless, no good, honerless wife.

Why did you have to make him a wimp? What she did is mental abuse, cruelty and slander. If he had done that she would of dumped him in an instant.

"You still give a horseshit blow job, and if you expect me to learn what pushes you over the edge, you're going to have to meet me half way."

This sort of quid pro quo frank discussion back during Chapter 1, could have fixed all of this fast..

But I guess both sides had insecurities and anger and trust issues (especially the MC for the anger part). By the time of the incident (which sounded intentionally mean and hyperbolic; i.e. if he was merely adequate then what happened during their two sex sessions near the end of chapter 1?).

The story was interesting but all over the place. At the start the wife same some nasty stuff and really appears to twist the knife, but it does appear later that she was being intentionally hyperbolic. But then the lie detector tests backfire on the MC. Inconclusive is not good for him to hear. And yet it appears the wife does indeed often (not always) enjoy their love making and did indeed enjoy when he stepped it up a notch in intensity at the end of the first chapter. Meanwhile the MC's ego is damn fragile. If it is such a big deal, read a damn book and get some sex therapy counseling. Yes the humiliation in front of his friends is rough but not worth a divorce. At other times the wife was clearly fed up and in full bitch mode. Some of the counseling shenanigans were not cool. The lie about the bed and breakfast. The contempt if he doesn't show but she ditches to tell a boyfriend she has been dating she has to stop. As an aside that sort of talk doesn't take a long time to deal with unless they were getting pretty darn serious. Another sign the wife had was giving up on the whole thing. Oddly the session before her disappearance was a breakthrough. How she truthfully talked about Brian and her husband was a big deal for the MC to hear. Meanwhile truthfulness that she doesn't always get off but she still enjoys it is important. She confessed to needing a lot of foreplay and that she often does get off. The husband somehow after the fateful first incident no longer trusted anything she says. His letter to her his well written and from the heart. Her letter was the kiss of death of the marriage. Also notice how long it takes for the author's women to actually admit fault or say they were wrong. That moment finally came with the Mexican standoff.eith the car near the very end. Simple communication could have fixed a lot of this. The MC though his wife was faking it almost all the time at one point. Yet others he takes pride like when he really went for it at the end of the first chapter. So much back and forth. Lot of creative elements but also inconsistencies. And yes the MC was done wrong by the initial event and the wife tried to pass it off and then later belittle his fragile ego. But he stopped trusting anything she said, took the worst spin on everything: e.g. she says she liked the hot sex at the end of Chapter 1, she was gasping after all, laying in bed, having had her bell rung better than any of her three toys could accomplish, and the MC loses it when she says why was it different and was insulted she said "liked". Maybe the wife's emotional quotient is a bit low but he took something she liked and inverted it into a mortal insult. Yes the fantasizing about other people to get off hurt the husband but stuff happens and it didn't sound like she did that all the time. Sure that is a thorny trust issue but then buck up and get better in bed. Wth? Of course her lack of communication for years was a problem. She owed him that and like many (somewhat) unsatisfied wives she did not reach out across the divide. But then again when she talked to her former boyfriend about the sex not being what she wanted, they argued and he slapped her, so her perception about bringing such things up was a bad experience she did not want to repeat with her husband and hence the escapism with the three toys. But she still should have talked to him. That related to HER insecurities about their marriage. It all seemed to blow up a lot faster than it needed to, in order to get the husband out of the house and get the specter of divorce going. Again a lot of back and forth. And suddenly at the end she is giving amazing blowjobs and she is having to get peeled off the ceiling 95% of the time? Come on. Be a bit more consistent. Given time and effort, barring medical issues or mental hangups, loving couples who communicate can do a lot for each other while making love.

I liked the story line with that thought however the husband was a total dick head and I don't think any woman with her description would of put up with mister anger issues she'd called her husband and lover. My take a different ending would of been she was going out with Brian after the counseling session and the children would be staying at the grandparents.

You know, i really hate people like you that trivialise disrespect, cruelty and mental abuse as "fragile male ego".

If the roles were reversed the husband would have received a restraining order with a judge signing off on that without missing a beat, because it's not her "fragile ego", it's mental abuse.

I hope that you learn your lesson about mental abuse the hard way and after you've reached hell tell yourself that it's just your "fragile ego" (it applies to both men and women just the same).

counselor should be reported for allowing Heather to skip but not Steve. She is still a bit of a Bitch and wants things her way at least 70% of the time.

What total crap.

This was bad. In vino veritas. She said she was drunk, he did not think so. If she was drunk, she spoke truth. If she was not drunk, then her words had meaning. Counselor should be reported for acting in collusion and being unethical. No matter, it is always hubbies fault. Does not matter what she did, like dating, or what she said, it was his fault of course. This is exactly how the world thinks now, men simply do not count and are not in any way important. It was his fault he overheard her shooting off her mouth and it was his fault for taking offense, because she said so , right?

This guy has a serious inferiority complex. Suck it up, the woman obviously loves you. Worst case scenario, hire a surrogate for training or evaluation.

Thanks for your writing. I agree couples do not communicate very well or enough. Also, play to many games.

Wife is stupid and the counselors should be report reported for being unethical fragile male ego my ass how about the wife shuts her.mouth and stops.lying going out on date while trying to save your marriage really smart...then skipping g the season to break up but sending the cops to him afterward is just pure crap

What a two timing lying sack of shit for a wife. It's always the "male ego" not the lying, cheating, bitch of a wife! She even chose a casual date over him and flaunted it in his face, how much did she really value him as a person to be so disrespectful. 1 star. He should of recorded it and posted it online with the caption "a true and faithful wife" and have her family learn what a bitch she really is.

What a bitch!

This could never happen. First, if he was truly threatened for skipping and she was not, his next call should have been to his lawyer. The lying to the husband to create some movement is unethical and he should have filed charges...the two counselers were unethical and shoud have been disbarred.

The therapist told her to lie to her husband about moving away? What an unethical cunt.

Steve is just an MCP. He is also an ego maniac.

What a pair of unlikable main characters! The whiny, needy husband and the manipulative wife. When he accepted her skipping a counseling session to go on a date (no matter what happened during said date) she knew she'd broken him.

Good story. Both of the two main characters remained true to themselves all he way through. Way too much counselling for me and Ann totally blew it by siding with the wife in a way that emphasized the whole reason why they were there.

THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THE AUTHOR ARE INEXCUSABLE.

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you are a stupid man ,first the lie detector is not use in court of law for a reason ,and for some reason you deside to believe her . and her and the counselors told a lie also . you fell for it hook line sink . your a wimp all thought out your story you were looking for a reason to crawl back home , little dick wimp , what a fucking loser , and your wife a whore .

This story is only missing the mythical "BBC" to have checked the main LW idiotic cliche boxes.

1. "Big cock" stories are uninformed and suggest the author is uninformed and sexually insecure or closeted.

2. Only a feminized male would use the "male ego" cliche. It's a distractor promoted by feminists to shift attention from moral principle and justice to something trivial - emotion. Women are not as rational as men, on average, but there is no excuse for male authors allowing feminists to furnish their minds, thereby degrading the author's male character's rationality.

3. The hocus pocus of "counseling" is a lazy way to tell a story, and incorporating it generally indicates that the author is a credulous consumer of popular culture: "I want you to spend the next week talking to each other. Not just the surface issues but also the deep down problems in your marriage as you both see it. Please, have enough respect for the other to not say exactly what you think the other wants to hear because they'll end up seeing through it."

The "surface"/"deeper" rhetoric is just an echo of the long discredited "theory" of psychoanalysis. Because there is no scientific substance to "counseling", what passes for "therapy" is usually just some ideology du jour that oozed out of a faux academic department, and that ideology is nearly always some leftard/feminist bullshit. Writers who incorporate "counseling" as something substantial are simply victims of a modern superstition.

4. Courts getting involved in the substance of a divorce and ordering "counseling" to save the marriage is laughable. It doesn't happen. Judges just want to move their dockets. That means if there is a property or custody dispute, judges send the parties to mediation so that the judge doesn't have to go through the work of having a trial. Mediation is NOT counseling. It's just a process that involves the mediator going back and forth between the parties with different proposals to resolve the dispute.

5. The threat to run off to Florida is stupidly not credible. That would not be allowed except under circumstances that are not remotely present here. The bitch could move out of the county of residence to an adjacent county, and that's it.

6. This author seems to live in a world where educated people talk like trailer trash. I've never encountered anything like the women "talking trash" in this story, and I've been around a lot of women from different socioeconomic levels.

7. The return of the husband after the fight with "Brian" is condescending and pathetic. It's consistent with the author's feminized mind and it's fixation on the fallacy of "male ego", but it is utterly insulting to men. But, what can you expect from a site that is mainly dominated by cuck demi-men and feminized authors (with a few notable exceptions)?

this is a good read. But I am confused why you gave it an unrealistic ending..throughout the story, you made it so he really should have walked a way away if he had any pride or self esteem. Her

dating with a under court ordered attendance to repair their marriage surely put the last nail in the coffin. It was clear to him she was a size queen. How could you justify your ending. It is a good story ruined making the ending unrealistic.

Between the BLATANT disrespect and dating before the divorce is done, no way I would reconcile...

Was an interesting read, granted she shouldn't have said what she said, but then David was a stupid ass all the way along because he couldn't get past what she said, she did everything in her power to make it right. The guy from work was a bad move on her point and she should have never even had him around, if she would have slept with him. it would have been game over. In the end as convoluted as it was, they finally found their love again and resumed their hopefully happy marriage. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Story starts out very good. Wife tries the negate her feeling of sexual lameness...""I lost nothing, Heather was a lousy lay." which, at the least Heather buys into, Disrespect her husband to make herself feel adequate. Compounds the disrespect by using a 12" dildo to widen the "canyon”, On top of that she names it for a former boyfriend.... She first laughs off the comments. Then she tells him to basically get over the disrespect. Then it goes downhill for the story on some levels She runs in his face by dating and set up a ploy to take the kids out of state. Must say "why did he bother? Because he accepts the verbal cuck/disrespect.... Story should have ended in either living together for the kids but in apathy. Then divorce when she cheated...and she would have. One last comment. i have never been to a marriage counsellor, however the basic lack the ones in this story displays their failure to confront or at least discuss Heather's disrespect. Why in every story It's always the guys responsibility to "get over' This disrespect. And why does the wife mostly hold the upper hand when she disrespect/cheats? Especially with Alimony and child support/custody?

So lets get this straight. Ann believed that to fix a husbands mistrust that everything the wife says is a lie, she has her lie to him... right. got it.

She was dating and admitted that she wanted to have sex with the guy. the very thing that her husband accused her of in the first place. She just cant help saying dumb shit.

Its the disresect, that stuff should not have been said to the wives in the first place. meaning it or not.