All Comments on 'Lyin' Eyes Ch. 05'

I know people are just going to be mad for whatever reasons they have (hate reconciliation stories, hate psychology, just like being dicks, etc) but this is pretty much how shit works.

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When I was a kid, my mother basically abandoned me to my grandparents when I was in kindergarten. She was a very aloof and distant person, in fact, I can not to this day, ever recall her saying she loved me. I'm certain she must have at some point in my life, but I can't remember it. I thought I was fine. I had loving grand parents and a warm extended family, but somehow my mothers neglect imprinted on me a deep seated uncomfortableness with being emotionally vulnerable. I didn't even know I had a problem. I just thought I was kind of a "tough guy" like my grandfather that I admired (1st Sgt, USMC) - It wasn't until many, many years and many failed relationships later when I finally managed to find a woman who loved me enough to put up with my bullshit that I figured out I actually had a problem. I almost ended us over it, but she forced me to get help and I did.

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It seems trivial now and obvious as well, but my mothers rejection of me when I was a baby mortally wounded my sense of security. I was constantly afraid of being emotionally hurt, so the best way to avoid that is to just not allow people to get into a position where they can emotionally hurt you. I kept everyone at arms length, including my wonderful wife who wanted nothing more than to be one with me.

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Anyway, this is how the subconscious mind works. I had a behavioral/emotional problem that I didn't recognize as a problem. It led me to do a lot of stupid stuff, to hurt myself and to hurt other people. It took a combination of someone caring far more about me than she had common sense and some professional advice to get to the root of the issue and once I was made aware of the problem, it took many years after that until it was 100% put to bed.

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So, at least, on that front, I am giving this story pretty good marks. Been there, lived it, experienced the life altering change, everyone benefited (including my 2 children which were born many years later). No joke here - my wife's insistence I get help and me following through on that saved our 3 year old marriage at the time - we've been married almost 20 years now with two wonderful children that would never have been born without the help of a little professional insight into my subconscious.

I’m not sure what this chapter contributes to the story other than laying giving vent to ridiculous excuses to allow a RAAC. Like I said before this author is not good enough to make that believable but no author would be after the shit the wife pulled⭐️⭐️⭐️

Sorry...let me say this in a vernacular you'll understand.

All.of this is absolute excusist horseshit.

"Oh...my dad was fucking my aunt right under my mom's nose...and my mom didn't care I guess. So that makes me a serial cheater as an adult...who feels nothing for blatantly fucking another man for months. All while demeaning him and lying to his face."

Horse-Shit.

Justifications. Excuses. Nonsense.

You caught her. You can prove her to be an unfit mother. You burned her, her BF, and their company.

This ends in only one acceptable way. Only one way that isn't big steamy pile of fairy tale horseshit. And that's just simply cutting bait.

Divorcing the whore. Moving on with your life. This stupid bitch just isn't worth the effort.

If she is damaged by some childhood trauma? Why would you want a damaged bitch full of drama?

this chapter really dragged until the last few paragraphs. bit too "cerebral"

After that massive info dump, I expected a Quiz at the end instead of Comments!

Just fucking inane. Psychology is a farce embraced by the gullible.

In a weird way, it makes sense to me but5 she is still a bitch. 5*****

So, IF all of this psychobabble is true, then why hasn't my wife had an affair on me? After all her mother had one on her dad (years before we met, and was still going after we married), and she was just a self centered bitch (my mother in-law). My wife and I have been married for over 40 years and we've had two children. I call bullshit on all of the psycho shit being spewed in this part of the story. Don't get me wrong, I like that it was explored and brought out to light. It helps the reader understand some of the crap that happens in daily life, and in a cheaters mind.

He's right that's utter bullshit. I'm a psychologist,I work in a state run psychiatric hospital on the east coast. Imprinting does exist and it does color our views on relationships ,right/wrong, and our opinions on life. What it doesn't do is force you into action when you perceive inaction where you expect it. Our rational brains do that, and while it could be a factor to why she wants an affair, that pull would not be enough to trash her whole life. This is an attempt to put reason onto the fact that she cheated "because she could". If the reason she cheated was because of her dad then she wouldn't have treated her husband the way she did, because she woulda been "imprinted" that her dad stayed and respected her mom. He didn't go out every night and yell at her when confronted like Laura did, and that's why that analysis is garbage therapy.

This is where the story should stop, with perhaps a coda describing the outcome of the divorce.

The only thing that will make me enjoy this even more is a ice pick to the eye.

Confusing. Is the subconscious so strong as to overide the conscious behavior and acquired logic and mores of a mature adult? Does that explain why adults act like hedonistic juveniles?

I've enjoyed several of this author stories, but this I just wont finish. It stopped making any sense to me. I get this is fiction and fiction can be anything, but to me it seems that the author is trying to make the therapy process look real and come up with a good reason of why she did what she did. But daamn it just seem like nonsense to me. First of all the therapist wouldnt be accepting calls from him asking questions about her process, much less "keeping him on the loop" and the "replicating the teaching process" or whatever he called it, just NO. Maybe it all would be clear at the end, I'll never find out but I really really doubt it.

Biggest bullshit excuse to have an affair I've seen. Sounds like the 'therapist' is making excuses for her. In the real world this would NEVER get the couple back on an even keel.

Nope

Losing interest fast, everyone knows where this story is going and have done from chapter 1⭐️⭐️⭐️

Psychobullshit!

Couldn’t read this any more.

This is the very first story that Longhorn has written that I did NOT rate a 5, but let me say that this is BS. I have several advanced degrees, have been all over the world, and consider myself very liberal, but this is pure BS.

I wish the affair between the Aunt and the father hadn't been telegraphed so early on, it kind of made the pace towards it disclosure painfully slow.

I don’t like where this is going..,

Why do I feel like I just watched "The Addams Family" when uncle fester returns and they're at the part where they explained uncle fester's "Displacement" issues...??

Oh the excuses get into mind bending,….. not sure how good this is now

"There's nothing here but some crap designed to give my wife a free pass for screwing around and betraying our marriage, not to mention me and our daughter."

This is exactly how the character of Doctor Jamison is used by the author to promote and force sell an unrealistic reconciliation to the cheated upon husband. The good doctor is practicing "quackery" . Regardless of what Laura "believed" consciously or not she's still personally responsible for her bad choices and self destructive behavior. In none of the good doctors sessions is Laura ever held accountable...the good doctor goes to great measure to manufacture "excuses" and "justifications" for bad choice and bad behavior. Shameful misrepresentation of the purpose and goals of therapy.

Even more Mumbo Jumbo.

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2 **

Great turn of the screw - to coin a phrase!

I took the author's advice and didn't reread these last chapters (I have read them in the past, but don't remember very much), but did peek at it a bit, and I see there are some excuses for her cheating. These MIGHT carry some weight if his discovery of the cheating was a singular event. But it wasn't - he suspected, then knew even before the big reveal, and all along he was begging, pleading with her to stop. She was dismissive of his concerns, even as she knew they were true, even threatening to do what she was already dong!

Has NO ONE realized that your parents and other adults in authoritative positions truly FUCK UP YOUR MIND during you formative years in ways you and they don't understand.

HUMANS ARE THE WORST SOFTWARE EVER PROGRAMMED!

It IS a load of bullshit.

Next he'll be apologizing for not fucking someone else.

This whole thing with her dad fucking her aunt with her mother's blessing is a justification for her to have an6 month long affair? Come on. This is an adult woman...with capabilities of reason.

Lots of teenagers see and experience promiscuity with regards to their parents. It doesn't mean they are so damaged as to go crazy as educated and reasonable adults and betray everything they love and cherish!

And thats what this loving mother and wife did. She didn't just cheat clandestinely a few times. She was blatant. She rubbed their noses in it. She emotionally abandoned her own infant daughter! Not just cheating...but reviled and rejected her daughter. Do you know how damaged a person has to be?

Like she would be a danger to herself in order to get the level of loathing she expressed towards her own child.

Let alone her husband that she claims she loves?

Yeah. This whole thing has reached a level.of ridiculousness as to boggle the mind.

Freud would so proud of you, my dear Longhorn. Such a brilliant explanation of the reasons of the affair! Are you in some way related to Dr. Freud, Dr. Longhorn?

You need to actually reed the story, not skim it!

In the context of this story, remember the wife gave the doctor permission to be as forthcoming as needed with the husband and during the last session both husband and wife were present, so if the wife wanted anything withheld she could say so, of course any holding back would probably make the husband end the whole mess of a marriage.

Thanks a lot Longhorn_7 read this made me STUPID!

I was more concerned with the fact the counsellor/ psychologist was openly discussing his wife while he was saying wot he said is confidential where was the safeguarding for his wife shes vilolating so many laws an codes of conduct she shouldn’t be discussing things his wife’s disclosed without the wife present

Total Utter Horseshit.

Have any of you every been? Psychiatrists don't do talk therapy unless you're rich. Psychiatrists are MDs who specialize in mental disorders. They make a diagnosis, prescribe medication, and do medication management. That's pretty much it. Therapists, councilors, whatever you want to call them, get degrees in psychology or social work, then undergo special training to get a license to do counseling. They are not medical doctors, they cannot prescribe medication (only an MD or a nurse with special training can do that), and talk therapy is what they do. Just like anything else, they can be good or bad. A bad one is, at best, a waste of time and, at worst, can lead you astray. The good ones can help you change you life for the better and might be instrumental in saving it. You have to take a chance, see whether they are smart or full of shit, and whether it possible to establish a good rapport. You have to be willing to take a chance and to move on to someone else if it isn't working.

Oh by the way, anyone who uses the term "psychobabble" is just identifying themselves as being willingly ignorant (or perhaps afraid) of the science of psychology. Try taking a class or just accept your ignorance (or fear).

I wonder when one of these so called writers are going to do their job and investigate about how therapists really work. None of you have portrayed a shrink resembling a real one. The rest is stupid psychobabble used to as a cheap resource to make us readers react to it.

Yes, always the Male's fault. LOL, never go to a Female shrink

Absolute shit. Started good, turnd to crap at cp 4. But he did warn us the husband would turn into a cum sucking piece of useless shit with no backbone. So we were at least warned. It still sucked. BAD!!!

This chapter was a load of absolute rubbish. My God u go to extraordinary lengths to justify your RAAC story. Even you appear to be embarrassed by it.

Your excuses are truly pathetic.

Scores 1/5

I love the psycho babble! It you twist it around you can justify anything which means man's (and woman's) ability to justify anything is unlimited!!! It was good up Ch 4 but the psycho analyzing is entertaining also and for those complaining our author did warn you back at the end of ch 4!! Keep going Longhorn!

What an excuse for an affair BS!

Please put a bullet in Longhorn's brain so he will stop this psychobabble. I did stop reading after #4, and hoping I can find a way to rate these ALL a ZZERO.

You do know ALL people are basically INSANE.😁 and usually made that way by their parents.

She can tell right from wrong or not. If she can - and could- tell. Then she is guilty and she decided to do everything she did. If she can¡t tell right from wrong, then she is a deeply disturbed person and shouldn't be allowed close to her daughter and her should be careful till he finds out if a cure is possible.

second time around for this one, I'm a bit like Mark to able to accept what the doctors analysis of the situation has come up with. We don't know how well the author has researched psycology, imprinting and learned behavior. The conclusions of the hypo session seem a bit stretched and that was covered by him walking out. He certainly was being a wimp there. The wife's actions and things she said show quite clearly she had some deep seated issues, causes for cheating? Who knows. Still, you need to do what's best for the child.

The pseudo-science in this one is a bit much. I have engaged in some untoward behaviors, actions that I regret, but I can tell you exactly what I was thinking at the time, even if I wouldn't do it again. The responsibilities lie with me and no one else. (And "Dr. Jamison" is not a believable character.)

Bah, bah, bah, she's a slut. and she's blaming everyone but herself. He had to push her to look for a reason. Not good.

I don't get why is he so understanding and behaves as a wimpy cuck.

Kick the slut to the curb and stop eating the psychobabble you're being fed as if i were her lover's cum.

Why is the Husband getting blamed for the wife Cheating ? This Chapter is below this authors Style .

Story is well written, but the reasoning behind the affair is still unclear. As I stated in the last chapter I will reserve judgement until the end. 5 stars for the writing

The story is good and I'm no marriage counselor and don't have much understanding of psychology but that late counseling session sure seems to have some convoluted thinking and reasoning in it, What did I just say? Not sure I understand it maybe the author does. Don't know how much research he put into the psychology thing but its still an interesting story and premise.

After two years, and reading again, I have to agree with Torgau.

I agree with hubby's line: "This is bullshit."

After having been thoroughly debunked as long ago as the 1960s, the old Freudian psychotherapy is being presented as the "key" to understanding and forgiving the slut wife. This is nothing but a Golden Corral-quality buffet of psychbabble garnished with the overused, gullible, weak LW husband character.

...to think about a subject far from my reality. Look forward to the rest. As for this author's stories that involve flying, it is painfully obvious he/she is not a pilot. Exactly backwards radio procedures as well as control column input upon flaps deployment are just two 1 examples...suggest author go to nearest pilot coffee shop with applicable excerpts and buy someone a coffee...inexpensive editing!

He has been patient and "loving" throughout Laura's therapy. Why does he blow up when a prognosys that does not fit with his narrative is brought forth? He has already admitted that he really only knows enough about this stuff to be dangerous. His actions are out of character. Still 5 Stars.

This is Bullshit!!!

psychology helps us understand the WHY

but it does NOT forgive. it does NOT make anything okay.

people have choices, people are not programs with pre-determined outcomes.

psychology is only a tool to spot problems, and solve them. it does NOTHING to forgive problem, to sooth those hurt by those problems, and people either put too little....or too much weight into what it actually is.

bottom line, she cheated. she abused. she neglected. if others react negatively towards her...she's a big adult now...not a lil' girl. she just has to accept she's a shitty person, and try not to be one.

There's psychobabble and then there's this trash.

If you need to pull that level of mental gymnastics to make your intended reconciliation work, that should tell you all you need to know about the relationship you've laid out.

"She screams and attacks anyone trying to hold her back from getting to me if I have to leave her somewhere for an unexpectedly long time," I said quietly. "She's terrified someday I won't come back to get her. Can you imagine what that fear must be like to a little girl not quite four years old, Laura? Can you?" Try it with one that age and one a couple of years older. Still don't see a BTB happening unfortunately. My ex's phyciatrist was a duck; quack, quack, quack. Signed: BTW

MY WIFE CHEATED FOR 15 YEARS AND COVERED IT UP WELL BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE CHEATER HAND BOOK SAYS.

SHE had an affair because he didn't have the one that her subconscious thought he should?

And what ever messed up psychological reasons you might want to scrape up for HAVING the affair, that doesn't explain her attitude toward him when he tried to talk to her!

Such nonsense, I know a couple of 'psychologists', one is a clinical psychiatrist I have copied and pasted this garbage and will have them read it the next time we share a bottle of wine! From a readers point of view the whole messy diatribe was unintelligable to a normal person. I, like your character 'Mark' am an engineer having dealt with all things mechanical from plant equipment to high speed racing cars with about 30 years in the mix dealing with aircraft support vehicles and computers. I would be aggressively hostile to this ' doctor' and agree with 'Mark' when he offers"crap designed to give my wife a free pass for screwing around and betraying our marriage,' If you write this kind of psychobabble then either make it real, or interesting. This whole section is nonsense verging on insult to the reader. It is truly a ridiculous story. I see there is a Ch 06 !! I can't wait! I shall read it , BUT I AM NOT ON YOUR SIDE!

His daughter...needs her mother. Other than that, this marriage for intents and purposes is over.

Who when betrayed to this extant would make the hard decisions. I'ts over without mystical author intervention.

THis character is a shark, decisive and most importantly he has self respect.

THe counselor will talk him into it ,but the man as written would not buy into something so silly no matter how repetitive.

The entire thing is his fault for NOT having an affair. This is all psycho-bullshit to blame the husband because she wants more dick. I can't believe this story is rated above a 2.0. The bullshit is so deep I find it hard to walk.

Improbable BS. If you are forcing an absurd reconciliation, try and base it on something other than a fairy godmother sprinkling fairy dust on everyone to make it all better. 1*

This is going down fast. Using psychobabble as an excuse for cheating. He should still finish the burn.

Whose paying for Laura's treatment,there is no mention of having got a job,no mention what happened to the law suits against her boss and the V.P.Things should not be mentioned and then ignored.

There is NOTHING in SCIENCE to justify this kind of talk show crap as IMPERATIVE for cheating, or any other perfidy. Impetus, yes, IMPERATIVE, no!

T he reason for her to have an affair is poor and does not explain her ranting and raving.

Given the wide variety of comments the writer must be touching a lot of different nerves. Only way he could do that is the readers are invested in the story, well done.

..... to see from the spread of comments how deeply and differently this story has hit the psychological "nerves" of so many readers -- both those personally accepting and those in absolute denial.

This sounds like absolute BS. Nothing here explains here indifference and, more to the point, belligerence toward her husband and child. She might be nuts, but that doesn't translate to her behaviour towards her family.

Why did it take so long, after all those years of a good marriage, for this bad behavior to manifest itself??? ...And why with the kind of asshole she took up with???

The story is lengthy and wordy. You attempt to excuse bad behavior by some psychological claptrap. Dad was wrong, mom was wrong, mom's sister was wrong and.....Laura was just plain WRONG, AND SHE KNEW IT! The way she treated her husband and daughter over the course of her affair cannot be excused by her mind being in some sort of fog or shutdown! None of the story really makes any real sense!

Her father and biological mother stayed together while dad fucked his wife's sister.

HOW FUCKING PATHETIC!!! Dad should have left mom, if he was going to fuck around! Or he should have kept it in his pants if they didn't want to divorce! Mom "giving" dad and sister the "OK" to fuck each other so there wouldn't be a divorce and the pair could get their rocks off without bothering mom is just plain PATHETIC! Dad and sister were/are pathetic asses cause they couldn't control their urges. Mom was/is just a freaking bitch! NO love in that family AT ALL!!!!

Having grownup with a mother who suffered from serious mental illness, I have to say that this is a powerfully written story. I got teary-eyed while reading the descriptions of the wife's behavior. I saw my mother clearly doing these same behaviors. Regardless of how you feel about the content, the way it's delivered is outstanding!

I also don't condone the wife's behavior, by cheating on her husband, even if she was mentally disturbed by her father's ongoing affair with her aunt. It's NO excuse and I don't see a means of rebuilding trust demonstrated so far in this story. Why wouldn't she do it again? She's still responsible for her actions!!!

That doctor and his whore of a wife are full of shit.

I'm not against reconciliation, in fact, when kids are involved, that would be the preferred outcome - assuming the parents can love each other again. Anything less than a true loving relationship will harm the children as much or more than divorce. Trust is implicit, it must be there for love to exist.

This hypnosis stuff is not to be trusted in any way, shape, or form. A psychologist should know that. Does anyone remember the Day Care Center child abuse hysteria back in the '80's? All those day care workers/owners went to prison because the kids "remembered" being abused, raped, satanic worship, prostituted, forced to eat babies, etc. All that came about because of the coercive interviewing techniques used by the psychologists to determine what had happened. The memories were implanted into the children during hypnosis conducted by child psychologists. Look it up if you don't remember it.

If they don't give the husband something useful, something based on fact and not some psychobabble from a frustrated shrink - there will never be trust in that marriage again. Personally, if it was me, I could not even consider reconciliation.

Has been debunked beyond reasonable doubt. Just like a lie detector, it is a faulty pseudoscience method to determine information. She would have known the information she gave the therapist already, she simply needed the false crutch of hypnosis to give up the facts. This means she is still trying to hide her thoughts.

Authentic.

Ok. So she was going through some kind of a breakdown (simplyfied).

He told her, he warned her. And she denied.

She cannot have been living in her subconsience 24/7.

Surely at some point her real life would come to the fore and she would be aware.

I'm enjoying this read and appreciate the heads up. I am also all for people reconciling. But it is on the author to make his writing support that outcome. On multiple occasions she got a heads up that her husband was suspicious. Why the guilt and sorrow now? Why not when he begged her not to go or came right out and asked her if she was cheating or when her friends said they were questioned? She stopped meeting him for a week so she knew she was worried and knew she was doing wrong just didn't care enough to stop completely. Not the actions of someone concerned for her marriage as she was acting quite contrite right after getting caught and before her therapy started. I feel the author has failed to justify the happenings at this time.

.. The PHYSCO BABBLE is how a CUCK LEANING, PISS POOR WRITER attempts to cover his/her WHORE WIFE APOLOGIST, wimp husband agenda!

IT DOESN'T WORK NOW and neither does your PIECE OF SHIT STORY! Now slink on back to your bedroom closet and try not to get your two inch dick caught when you shut the door .., and FUCK OFF CUCKYBOY!!!

In fairness I know the author warned me, the reader, and maybe I'm jumping the gun here but would it be acceptable if he beat her because of trauma in his childhood? Yes I'm comparing cheating to beating your wife - personally I believe both are abhorrent and I'm not sure which is worse - although I suspect it is cheating. Why give Laura such a bullshit out. I'm not opposed to happy endings but this is ridiculous.

Leave the mentally ill to the professionals.

He has enough on his plate raising a child as a single parent, which he is through no fault of his own.

Sometimes all you can do is cut your losses and move on.

at least let it be plausible and not be without have a shred of common sense in there.

And I quote - "This is bullshit". I think that covers it. Their divorce should be finalized by this time. The Court would have set a visitation schedule so that she could spend time with her Daughter and this story is over. Why is Mark still visiting the Doctor and hos ex-wife? He has a temper. He has seen the proof of her affair and now the good Doctor is trying to wave a magic psychobabble wand over Mark's head and convince him that he should forgive his wife because her Father cheated, she needed to cheat?

You're a long ways out in left field here Tex. Not sure you can reign this story back in and save it. We'll see.

Forgive your slut wife, take her back into your lovin' arms immediately. Let the Doc and your wife snow you good, maybe you should ask forgiveness for getting all the evidence against her, all the money and all the heartache cause to you and your child. It is NOT Laura's fault!

Of how the Psych majors were the most fucked up students on campus! It was clear they had issues necessitating an understanding of the human mind.

life does not always make sense , often things don't go the way we plan or expect them to .

so i am always baffled when people pick apart & dissect a work of FICTION ,

especially when it is so well written , so emotionaly captivating & entertaining.

with Fiction pushing the boundaries of what is possible -

- the likely & unlikely is what makes it so enjoyable , so engrossing & so much fun.

the expected & unexpected twists & turns ,

the full gambit of emotions that the writer uses

its a story & its a good story .

i love it

ty for sharing it with us

x

I don't know. The author has not yet convinced me that reconciliation is appropriate. Am I to assume that Mark has put the divorce on hold? Couldn't someone ask Laura's much older brother who was pregnant (Mom or Aunt Ruth) just before Laura was born?

I loved the build up and the character clarity. The story is wonderful. My feeling are completely turned around on this relationship and I'm pulling for a reasonable resolution.

I really get pissed reading the naysaying, myopic, nuckleheaded detractors that can't get passed the concept of a novel story for the pure enjoyment of a writer's talent. I hope you will share that talent with us again despite the stupidity of some commenters.

Thank you!

This is one wild ride!

Thanks for sharping this book!!

Regardless of the workings of her subconscious, Laura's conscious mind knew that she was being immoral when she had her relationship with "mr. pathetic" . Our conscious mind decides what we do, even if there MAY be subconscious reasons for doing things.

Author keeps throwing Alyssa's need for her mother out as a reason for Mark to accept the whore.

Divorce her, and give her generous visitation, problem solved.

Ok... Laura's clearly got some issues. That's been obvious throughout the story. I don't understand why her subconscious took over and overruled what her conscious mind should have told her was wrong. This explanation implies she didn't know better and with her being a reasonably intelligent adult, this just seems impossible to me.

She is still a whore. Except now just looking for an excuse whore...

Well, I don't think it is bullshit. I would tend to agree that this is exactly what happened and it explains why she was emotionless and unsatisfied by the tryst. However, it is not an explanation that could possibly lead to reconciliation. He does the right thing at the end, if not for the right reason. The marriage is over. She s deeply wounded psychologically. Knowing what caused that may lead to forgiveness and understanding, but it can't fix the problem. Those impressions are deep and she will undoubtedly struggle with them the rest of their lives.