All Comments on 'The Envelope'

but hated what Susan did to him. Thanks for a moving story.

had he actually gone through the whole thing --- the showing of the video and everything else --- standing in front of everyone, who, were apparently all laughing, having a good time, cheering him and Sue on, drinking, having fun with each other, danching, talking, while pointing to the various montage being shown on the screen... <p>

the last image and his last words: --- showing her gapping asshole, with her lover's sperm, dripping from it... and reading HER LATTER to her husband, saying she's now ready to "give" him that precious gift that he's always been asking her for but she's never been able or willing to give it to him, by saying: <p>

"Would you, men and husbands, want to put your dick in that hole, not knowing whether or not it is filled with a stranger's bodily fluid, mixed with your wife's possible blood, from bruises and torns, if it is now diseased, with viruses from painful STDs to deadly HIV? Would you want to put your penis in such a hole? Well, my dear wife, Susan... Neither would I. Thank you for the offering, as if you're a virgin there, but no thanks." <p>

I mean, won't that have had a more astounding impact? The husband was taking no prisoner in this story,,, so why not that? Why do it via remote control from a moving-away limousine?, where you don't or can't see the real shock of the audience, including family members from both sides, and yours and your to be ex's close friends and colleagues? <p>

On the other hand, as Estella said, and as the husband said himself: he had always wanted Susan and him to engage in group sex anyway, so what's with all this vindictiveness and pretended suffering and bitterness? So what, if she's hung some horn on him! She, as Estalle said, loves him! <p>

Oh, yeah, the ecstasy and subsequent addiction to Estalla's husband, made sex with others dirty and more enjoyable... but she's now using her learned craft on him, the husband, right? So why not just stick with a wife now wh's willing to fuck, suck, and give him her ass all the time,,, including group sex now, now that her cover and pretense to modesty have been blown! <p>

My prediction? The wimp will, after all this Rambo nonsense, go back to her on his knees... as the story continues...

A great story.

If it's done than good job, I enjoyed it even if it was a very sad story, no one won. But if it has more chapt. I need to wait till the end. As friends of mine have found out, divorce doesn't mean death, both parties still wake up, still live, still go on with their lives. It's how you live the rest of your life that matters. Thanks.

This story had me locked from the 1st paragraph.

The pace and flow of the story, along with the strong main character added up to an superb read.

Well done.

Given the nature of this author other work... which is awful... a forced reconciliation is likely.

Whenever you read the old " will you fight for your maairgae" angle you know the story is in BIG trouble

Stella ...knowing what her hsuband and Sue have been doing for 6 months... knowing the pictures that John is about to see... asks John in the letter and in person if HE "will fight for his marriage?"

that is the most offensive thing I read this month. But it also lays the ground work for the reconciliation.

The anniversary party scene was well done. For a while I thought John would show the whole video.... so by just showing one picture it told everyone the truth and that John knew it all.

But this line was hilarious;

"What made you decided to suck me this tonight?"

Makes one appreciate editors.

Mmm, I enjoyed your story. It was well-written

and carefully thought out. As it was done from the male perspective, all energy went to the husband’s feelings and thoughts. You did that well – I liked the references to his father and family. On the other hand, this choice of POV often leads to making the male a saint who can’t do wrong and has to be sympathetic. It also often leads to neglecting the character of the woman, her motives, emotions and thoughts.

In your story this is very much the case and I guess most of your male readers won’t mind. I don’t truly mind either, although the woman tends to become rather flat and hardboard. But there is always one real problem with neglecting the wife, especially in stories where the husband is perfect and immaculately moral.

The problem is that we don’t understand WHY she did what she did. Her actions are like a thunderbolt from a clear sky. There is nothing in the story that explains the why of it. And because we know nothing about the woman (other than her actions), we’ll never know.

Explaining the why of adultery is often easy, as in most cases it follows from a bad marriage, spouses drifting apart, drinking habits, sexual discrepancy, money problems etc. But as we often prefer to write about so called perfect marriages in Loving Wives, the why of cheating is often impossible to understand. And just as often it stays hidden behind the save wall of POV – if we don’t know the woman, we don’t need to know her motives.

It is a pity, because for me guessing the female motive is the most exciting part of reading stories like this. Too often the (male) writers cover it up with overt or hidden suggestions concerning the lesser rational capacities of the female. Ah well, I don’t think that is nice, nor is it needed. At least be graceful enough to allow us to be as clever or as stupid as your male heroes.

Thanks, however, for an entertaining and thought provoking story!

Just a pretty sad ending to a marriage, 14 good years one bad one.

An interesting story of cheating and revenge. Yes she was seduced, Yes she had sex with another man. That was bad enough, but she also did it with another female. But to keep going back to him, WHY! Blackmail, Love or the love of cheating. We do need to hear her side of the story as to the how's and whys. I for one would have done the same thing as he did if i found out my wife was cheating. Wouldn't matter if it was with a man or women. She'd be gone.

I enjoyed it. For me though, I just have trouble with these drawn out revenge plans. I just have trouble buying into them. Also as someone commented, the wife was not drawn out very well. In this case we went from what people the was a proud and happy wife to taking X and then on to fucking and eating pussy over the weekend. I think there is a story there. But thanks for the story and best of luck in the future.

your in trouble all the sickos writers are mad at you for being normal and the ones who want to forgive a spouse no matter what he or she did won't like it either because you make to much sense. Thank you for a great story and a well explained ending.

However, I feel that there's a little lack of "comprehensive" retribution on the Holmes family by the jilted husband. I've observed this to be a trait in some stories publish under this category throughout. What I mean by "comprehensive" according to this particular story is, why only the cheating wife would go through all rigorous pain, humiliation and agony, why not financially ruin this other man (the lover) as well to the point where he becomes a broken man and begs mercy for his unjustifiable actions from the wronged husband. Since there should be two people available to commit such adultery, it becomes imperative to deliver the final blows on both of them at equal levels by the cheated or the hurt party. After all, the Holmes couple, through their stupidity and selfishness destroyed 15 valuable years of John's life, of which he had been happily contributing to a marriage that he thought productive and worthwhile. Therefore, it would make a lot of sense if John had sought a whole pound of flesh on them as well instead of meager $ 500000 compensation.

Assholes such as those that brag and try to steal others' wives for their amusement and spouses who deliberately betray their significant other in every imaginable way through infidelity ought to be taught a good lesson that they would never forget for the rest of their lives, even to the point of causing them to see nightmares.

StormX your story is great and I think that your writing ranks with the very best of American authors. But I need to ask you why there are two writing styles exhibited. In the beginning there is a style in which words are regularly left out of the text, although the text is still understandable. Then, after the introductory section the writing becomes perfect in every respect. It's almost as if you had someone extremely knowledgeable of English text proofing your story in sections 1) at the summer home and 2) in preparation for the "party" and also the story's ending and Finale. There is nothing wrong with doing that, though you did not acknowledge a proof reader. If you wrote the story together with another person you should probably also have that person as a second author on the story. At least that's the way I learned it back in graduate school. RAG

Actually I agree with angiequesophie's post here. I mean let's think about the story as we know it to be.

According to Stella she and her husband met Sue at a restaurant or bar one evening... and became friendly. Sue may have had too much to drink and she decided after some hesitation to try some ecstasy. Things got out of control and the wife went pretty wild with a threesome.

That IS pretty far-fetched in itself. But I suppose IF it is a ONE time thing a woman / wife might keep that 1 event locked away in her memory

both as a measure of shame and embarrassment also her own private sexual enjoyment and memory.

But then Sue decided to keep seeing Stella's husband behind Stella's back and behind John's back as well.

For 6 months !?!?!?

That is pretty outrageous. But throughout the story the husband never dwells on that aspect of this totally hidden unknown side of his wife. John goes on and on about how shocking and how stunned he is that his wife could do something like this... but John never really seems to ask why or how.... it may be that the he is the type of man were he doesn't care or at least for the time being does not need to know how or why... but for John to never even asked the question.... seems very odd and it does make Sue to be very one-dimensional.

In general I liked how John progressed through this. He was unbelieving until he saw the pictures. That's why he HAD to look at them. He had faith and trust in his wife until then. That's exactly how faith and trust work. When they are broken, they are gone. I can also understand how he works through to his decision to leave her. The fact she had sex with someone else might have been forgiven. The length of time, 6 months, would have made it difficult. This is very realistic. The heat of passion may have sparked a few week affair. Not OK but understandable. But 6 months? No, that is a committed relationship. That adds a whole new layer to their problems. But the cap on it is her reactions while having sex. She is in ecstasy doing things that she refuses him and says she doesn't like; oral and anal sex. Obviously she loves doing them, just not with John. I fully agree with John. This shows a whole other person in Sue that has been kept from him. Stella tells him that Sue really loves him. Do these women have any clue as to what love really means? It means full giving of yourself to your spouse. Sue does not know HOW to love John. She betrays and lies to him in the most fundamental parts of their relationship. <br><br>

I have seen some other comments about providing more of Sue's point of view and thinking. I also have some curiosity about this. It would have made the story a little richer. I would have also liked to have gotten some insight into her suffering at the end of the party and through the divorce process. But it would have also provided an opportunity for whining and stupid rationalizations (You were away so much, You said something to me that upset me, You forgot the anniversary of the day we first had dinner together, ...) which would have only been annoying. In the end she was a treacherous slut who did this because she could and because she enjoyed it. She obviously didn't care about the impact on her husband or marriage. There is no excuse or explanation that she could give to fix this in any way. The pictures made it clear she fully enjoyed what she was doing. There is no way out of that so whatever she might have felt or said has little value. She dug her own grave. Further, it was hinted that Sue's thoughts could expose skeletons in John's closet. Why should we assume that? He seems like a really good man. Just because one person in a relationship is a loser doesn't mean the other must have significant faults as well. He is well developed as a character and is clearly a good man. The only reason to change that is to provide rationalization and justification for her behavior. That would be another story, not this one.

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I also like, VERY MUCH, that John is now out and enjoying life. Many of these stories, after a horrible betrayal, show the character emotionally stuck with the person who hurt them so badly. While I accept that the emotional bonds don't disappear overnight there are many other people and things to do in the world. John refreshingly takes advantage of them.

I like your writing first of all, it flows well. But if Stella informed Justin that Sunday, there is no way his wife Susan would not find out through Justin, they were discovered. You cannot leave a major disconnect like that in the story. what happen with Susan and Justin during those 3 months.

The ending, with the family party has been done before, so it was ant-climatic for me.

You were so focused on the protaganist, you left the antagonist story short.

Wife may have been an adulterous bitch but if I were married to an arrogant bastard like that I would cheat too. Who would want to stay married to an ass-hole like that. All he cares about are his precious blowjobs.

the C. Yankee

<p>And of course Angie below too. (^_^)</p>

<p>That's strange because normally we're on the same page, but I have to disagree with him a bit here.</p>

<p>I forget which story I just read yesterday, where the male lead was asking the guys he worked with for advice for his "friend" (which was him) about how to handle a cheating wife. Then he asked the question wouldn't you ask her why she did it, and one the men answered something like "would knowing the temperature of an ice cube make it any less cold?"</p>

<p>And that's the same point I see as well.</p>

<p>For me the questions become: Why does it matter? Why does it matter her reason for cheating? Will knowing make it any better? Especially after seeing her giving multiple very willing and very enthusiastic blowjobs and rounds of anal sex, after "years" of denying her husband the same things when asked by him, but now she's giving them all very willingly to her new "lover" of six months? At that point why would any one really care? The expression "Action speaks louder than words" comes to mind when I think about someone who does that. They can say what they want, but their actions say the husband isn't that important as keeping the interest of a new lover.</p>

<p>If I was going to "attempt" to stay with a wife after a heinous betrayal like that I might want to know so I could watch out for the behavior next time, but if my plan is to walk, then I really wouldn't care why. Just the knowledge that she was denying me things she was willing to give strangers, things I asked for and she not only shot me down with, but made me feel like less of a man for asking, but she decides to "allow" me to have them after her lover is done with them? No I wouldn't care one iota her reason for cheating on me. Especially when she is going out of her way to setup times to cheat on me when I take trips out of town. Only she would know when it would work for her as her lover would only know when she told him.</p>

<p>And to MikeIG I could see this story's ending as working.</p>

<p> Stella said at the start that she wanted to give her husband one "last" chance to prove to her that she should stay married to him and that he wanted her more than Susan. Most of the time that comes with the stipulation "You will never see, talk, or be around the other person again." If that happened why would he take the chance and warn Susan the jig was up? Right after she has already proven that she's had him watched without his knowledge?</p>

<p>At that point he if he warned Susan, he would be telling the wife that looking out for his lover's interest was far more important than rebuilding her trust and she would walk. So I could see him not telling Susan a darn thing and letting her hang out to dry (^_^)</p>

-Risq

Pretty classic revenge story, which is always fun to read. I understand that it was written from a male only point of view, and we really have no idea what the sluts motivations were. But HEY! Who cares? It was still a feel good story and a fun read, even if it lacked some plausibility on a few points. So the first story in your trilogy was a disgusting wimp story, the second story (this one) is a great revenge story, so I am wondering where you will go in the third story.

I must say, GOOD STORY, with a few mistakes.

C YANKEE: you putz, you completely missed the "moral" of the story if all you can think about is a blow job.

There was much more if you really read the story.

I think the point others made and I agree with is that it would be a better story if the wife was a more developed character. Not whether or not the husband should care or know why. Personally, the more character development (husband or wife) the better.

He did not miss the point of the story . The problem is CT Yankee is a 1st class Moron.

Very good story with a good pace and flow. I hated Susan's character, but don't forget she was just a "character". Some of the comments are very good, but I completely agree with Harry and Angiequesophie's comments.

Slirpuff.....lol

I know I know... Here I am kind of supporting angiquesophie.... odd isnt it...? hell maybe the israeli and Palestinians CAN reach an understanding!!! LOL.....

Far be it for me to speak for a brillant writer as angiequesophie ( and she is brillant !!) BUT as I read her post she is arguing that the lack of motivation in this story (and other LW stories) makes the wife seem 2 dimensional.

she does NOT appear to be arguing that the husband HAS to know why. And I am NOT suggesting that either. What I said was that it is ODD that Frank never even asked himself WHY.

****He never even thought about WHY ***

You seem to view it as an either or thing. That is to say... you seem to be arguing that in a LW story IF the author has the husband wanting to know WHY that is a Prelude to " excusing" and / or accepting the wife's cheating.

Now granted in MOST LW stories here at LIT and over at SOL there is a tendency for that. One cannot argue with facts.

If one looks at this outside of the hyper world of LIT/ and SOL... I think that is a reasonable point.

In the real world most folks can do both. In the real world my best friend went through a stretch several years ago... where his wife refused ANY intimate / sexual contact with him. Over course over 18 month they had sex 1 time.

As the months went on He was stunned and deeply hurt. As the time went on I got him to look at his wife's motivations and he found out that his wife had some serious emotional issues... which in the end lead to divorce.

(kind of make a good story... I should think).

i don't really care if it would make the wronged

husband feel better... it would make the story better.

Ok, let me put it to you this way:

Your standing on a corner and you look up and someone points a gun at you and says get away from this corner. Do you:

A:) Stand there and ask them why?

B:) React to get away from them as fast as possible?

I know that is extreme and has nothing to do with either your points or the story, but what I'm trying to say is, by not writing the path of the wife you have less invested in her sure, but at the same time you don't build a base of sympathy as well.

No matter what she did there will be some who will sympathize with her as it being her right to explore her sexuality without her husband. To me that like the two of them putting money in a bank account to buy a home in a year but when the husband goes to write a check it bounces because the wife bought clothing with it and they are broke. That is something they should have discussed and agreed up before she did it, because that is what couples do. Her making a decision to do it on her own without discussing it with her husband makes her flat selfish.

As far as the husband is concerned, look at it this way, for years in the story he requested certain things, sexual acts, to be done to, with, and by the wife. She refused. That part of her character was developed. After finding out about her possible cheating he jokes with her about cheating and she blatantly lies to him about it as if it was no big deal. Again her character is established along the lines of one: she has a good sense of humor, and two: she can *lie* with ease and it doesn't bother her conscious.

Then you throw in the fact that she's determined to both give him a blow job come heck or high water and pretend her affair never happened by *secretly* making it up to her husband so she feels less guilty about what she did. And it doesn't matter why he says "he's not interest" but she's determined to only make herself feel better by doing it.

Ok, based on that, the first night she tries this he starts to wonder "why" she's so insistent and if Stella's claims are true about his wife. That is what kills his erection. He starts down the road of thinking and wondering if she trying to keep him from having sex with her (and from what I gathered) if it was because she might have been with her lover earlier.

He starts wondering all these things from what I can see in his first strange around about way of asking her why she is so insistent in performing an act that she normally will only do for him twice a year under duress.

To me she is already developed. Anything thing else she would possibly say would be seen as a weak excuse to try and get out of being caught cheating. I know that's all I would see it as.

Be honest for a second guys, you find out your significant other (male or female) has been carrying on a short but highly graphic affair, one that once you found out made you feel worthless as a human being, and that you find *totally* unacceptable, is there "anything" and I do mean "anything" that they could possibly say to you that would make you accept what they done and take them back?

I mean in a case like this where you wife tells you she really hates to give you blowjobs, but she'll do it because she loves. But still hates it. She won't give you anal and if you love her you won't ask, but then you find out she has a lover that she enjoys doing both with unasked and it's not you? Is there anything that she can say that won't sound like is weak and self serving once you find out that its only "you" she doesn't like doing that with? And why would any want to hear anything that would only be said to try and make themselves look better after that?

If there is chance you'll take them back, then its *not* an unacceptable situation to you. And as one of my former bosses would say "You're just going through mental masturbation by even getting mad at them. Your doing a lot of work for no payoff in the end" and to be honest things said in this type of arguments are often things that need to be apologized for anyway.

But if there is no way you'll take them back, and you still want to sit and hear all of their excuses, then isn't that really mean to let them stand before you and plead like crazy with you thinking that they can convince you everything will be all right, all while you know that at the end of it all your still walking out on them?

That's all I was saying.

That even if the author had included the "Why" she did it, after the first time (that personally I wouldn't have found acceptable) I find it hard to believe that the majority would be all "He was a jerk for not taking her back, even though he felt demeaned and torn down by her affair.

What would be gained by them arguing about her affair if he still wanted a divorce when it was all said and done??

-Risq

I'm not sure if I liked it or not. Why did she cheat on her husband? IF she was so involved with church, then where was the guilt of her adultery? If I was at a wedding anniversary, I would not appreciate watching a marriage explode like that. I would not feel sorry for the husband if he showed a porno of his wife while she was in the room and he was driving off to the airport. That isn't being a man, that is being a coward and I have zero respect for cowards.

I'm just defending the author's choice here. I thought it was different to "not" do like every other writer does and go into the *why's*, the arguments, the break down, the tears, the etc. Being different and not doing that is something I personally thought was a decent change.

I for one liked that he developed her character by her *actions* and not by the *justification* of the whys of what she did.

(^_^)

-Risq

when the writer tries to give the wife a reason, most readers will be quick to point out that the reason is not good enough. No good reason exists to cheat in a marriage, though many people do it. Why? I tend to agree with the Risq taker. The reader only knows what the husband knows in a first person story told by the husband. If I were the husband, I would think she did it because she enjoyed it. How would the husband find out why she did it? Ask her? I have seen dozens of stories where the wife is asked why she did it. She never has a satisfactory response. From the husband's point of view, the why made no difference once he found out the who and the what. He had no options. (I do agree with Harry that Angie is one smart woman.) The lack of respect and/or love was more than almost any man could get past.

After I thought about it the why didn't really matter, she loved being with the other guy, she must have also had strong feelings for him, she was someone her husband didn't know. He was gone, she pleaded her case at the end of the divorce but nothing really relevant, just I'm sorry and I'll never do it again. So for this story it doesn't matter why, they all four lose. Life goes on.

First, although it takes 2, husbands are more likely to cheat than wives. One supposes that the husbands tend to cheat with unmarried women or married women who cheat a lot. Second, the fantasy as written here usually ends with the husband well off and often with a younger woman and the wife a mess.

I think that this category is a fantasy for guys wishing they could escape their own relationships where they are no longer getting as much sex as they would like and where their wives are no longer tight and supple, where responsibilities of family and home crimp their style. Yet they don't want to be saddled with guilt and perhaps more importantly alimony; they want the freedom to travel the world, explore young pussy, and buy expensive stuff. So they invent scenarios where the wife is the evil or at least misled party, and they can justify their own hedonism and bad behavior. What did her family and friends do that would justify putting them through such a terrible experience?

True love is totally the opposite; when my wife and I separated, the children and family came first, so we went through painful therapy to make things work. When the divorce happened anyway, I made an effort to leave their lives as intact as possible. This meant giving up the fully-paid-for house, heirlooms from my side of the family etc. I took only part of her retirement money, so that their current lives would be less disrupted. I had to start over with a small apartment with a mortgage larger than our first house.

Of the 8 divorces I *personally* know of, from close friends, only one was from a cheating husband and 3 from a cheating wife.

And you have to ask yourself "Who" are these people cheating on their mates with. Rare is it same sex encounters or Sugar Daddy's or Sugar Mama's. Most of the time it is people close to same age doing it with other married people so that they don't have to worry too much with entanglements.

And you're right, this is a "fantasy" because lets be honest, who wants to read about how most men usually get raped in a divorce settlement, similar to what you *just* said about yourself? The courts don't care who's at fault, they just need to move along to the next case because they are backed up and don't have time to listen to all the he said/she said that goes on.

Would you pay to watch "Survivor" if it came out as a movie? Most people aren't interested in reading a blow by blow diary account of someone's life, like what you just said about yourself and what "really" happens, so they seek an *escape* to where the innocent party actually gets some form of justice (or perceived justice) so they can feel better about what's going on around them. Like people used to do during WWII at the movie theaters to forget about the war going on around them for a few hours a day.

Perfect example:

One of the divorces I watched first hand (and I knew both party's personally for years) the wife was cheating on her husband. Not just with his best friend, but with the neighbors, the guy who was a family friend who fixed the cars, and even joined a swingers group with the neighbor's without him knowing for "years". He had to work nights so she had plenty of time to play around on him.

And he "still" got hosed in the divorce. And he even tried to get her to go to counseling to save the marriage, but in the end he got stuck with all the bills from the marriage, had to give her the "good" car, while he got custody of 2 of the 3 children, somehow he got stuck with child support being paid to her for all 3, had to pay her first 3 or 6 month's rent on her new place, and had to pay her a year's worth of maintenance on what he made the year before, but he lost that job trying to save his marriage by taking a lower paying job so he could stay near the family.

That was ten years ago and he can just *now* joke about not letting his new girlfriend near any of his old friends. Before that would cause him to break down.

Now I ask you, who wants to read a story about that?

-Risq

I guess the only major mistake the story has was already mentioned. After Stella gave him the Envelopes she told him everything will be over on sunday and after the blowjob scene on saturday I guess he would not have time (3 month) to prepare his revenge.

I also liked some comments like a unusual conservative talking angiquesophie who made some good points whats eventually could be missing. the womans side so to say. also Harryin VA adding some points of view which aren't deniable.

But I have to agree a lot more with Risq_001, I have read that story too he is referring to . so I want to add to more points that one or another just touched in there comments.

A slip up like the first night and the threesome might hurt a male ego. a very good ego or an not so good one. but almost anybody could come over it.

6 month giving everything she has denied her husband and it would still go on if stella would not have stopped it is definitly some thing else. I even try to see some womens point her angiquesophie. of course if the woman has a lot of fears trying out new stuff and even liking it, it might be easier with a lover. it's not the husband she will see everyday if it would be to humiliating in the end or not liking it. with a lover she just stopps it with him and goes back to what she liked. maybe she even feared that he would loose some respect towards her who knows. but the point in this story is different. so logicly we don't need the womans point in this story to much (stormx could write one just from her pov which might be fun to read).

the reason is simple. eventhough she learned a lot from threesome over giving up her ass to really liking sucking dick, she never gave it her husband. she could have, if she still loved him try out new things and improve the sex at home. she did not. only three month after her lover has gone she started to think about it.

then there is something else. her attitude towards him. hell he might not look as good, looking from the outside. maybe he was even just an average lover. but he was good enough for at least 14 years and 3 month. but the night when she explained about the blowjobs, she already liked to suck, swallow and her face splattered with her lovers cum. but only her lovers not his. her attitude that it was still work and she just did a pitty suck showed how much she really appreciated him.

And last but not least my personal own point. I guess I could forgive a lot. for sure I would not have this kind of revenge. My ego would be hurt on a completly different point. feelings are always your own. so do I love her? am I a good lover? I would have to ask her. was I not often enough in town? was she also away more often? questions that everybody can ask. but after the pictures, cum all over her and in her and knowing also of the threesome and that he was anyway cheating repetedly on stella. I would have stopped touching her the day a saw everything. SHE DID NOT EVEN CARE for my health. my life was not worth anything to her. I could have gotten any std from her, from nasty but curable up to deadly. she gave a shit. so when someone threatens my life what are you doing? asking why or stay away ?

so thanks for the story and for one time also to all the different points of view.

.....that the only "non-wimp" response to the revelations of cheating are to "not give a damn" WHY. But that is just so weak. The why is the only part that matters. Fear of the truth is rampant, but the truth shall set you free. In many ways, and regardless of how horrible. I would have at least liked to have seen this duked out. Bit of a cop-out,says this reader, but great read anyway!

I liked this story. Risq is right - real life is the husband getting hosed in the divorce and the wife going on with no consequences. It is a lot more fun to read a fantasy about how it <i>could</i> have been handled. Good story.

i gotta say, i like how he didnt go rambo on everyone, because lest face it, while it does happen, its more likely that no physical conflict happened. anyway, this was an entertaining story and to be honest, id be more pissed at stella for that first night. did anyone else get how many freaking times she brought up how much sue loved him or how he should think about how much he loved her before making a decision. what kind of bs was that? man, it seems absurd that there is still people out there who thinks its okay to cheat, its just sex, it didnt mean anything, blah blah blah. it was more than sex, it did mean something and its not "male pride" thats causing the problem. the problem is that you stupid bitches (men and women) always say that freaking phrase, male pride. the flip side would be female pride? why cant someone be upset ( and thats an understatement) without being insensitive or too pridefull? one slip my ass, its very easy to say no. keeping on that, a one slip having sex once, not two or three times that day or slipping for 6 months( or however long people cheat in these stories). its not love, its not respect-its the opposite of those. finally, i could not care less right now, what any of you think-so dont say how unfeeling or some other bs. thanx for the story storm x and i look forward to more.

Although the wife's character could have been developed more, the story did make sense from the wronged husband's point of view. I enjoyed your story! Kevin in WI

The husband didn't ask the WHY or HOW questions. <p>

He and the OTHER wife, Estella, are very much alike. They LIKE their spous to have sex with other people, married or single. As long as they can join in if or when they want. They also have to know them. <p>

I am not saying this; the author had BOTH characters say it. <p>

The husband, our "hero" in this story, said earlier on in their marriage, he had wanted them to do group sex, but Sue/Susan was against it, so presumably after sometime, he gave up on the idea.... because, presumably, he thought if he persist in making her have sex with others and she didn't want to, she'd leave him. <p>

Estelle said more or less the same thing: that she was the one who dare her husband to fuck Sue/Susan. Why? Because she too liked to engage in group sex... How? Through drugs or any other tactics, if necessary. Fortunately, with the prime and proper Sue/Susan, nothing more than ecstasy was necessary... and even that, only in the beginning. For months afterwards, without Estelle's personal knowledge or consent, she said, Sue and Estelle's husband were fucking behind her back. <p>

Well, you can see: --- If John and Stella are very much alike, in that if they are able to join in on group sex with personally approved partners, they have no problem.... Sue/Susan and Stella's husband, Justin, too are very much alike: they both want to have wild, uninhibited sex with PEOPLE OTHER THAN THEIR respective spouses (whom, in this case, happen to be John, for Sue/Susan and Justin, for Stella)! <p>

I personally do not think the AUTHOR, StormX, thought about all these twisted and twisting characters... but perhaps he did.... It's irrelevant; what's relevant is that they are there, in the story, black and white... <p>

I am surprised that many readers keep saying why the husband didn't ask the why's or how's. Well, why? He already knows all the why's and how's and it is a SELF-LOOKING GLASS situation: he just didn't like what he sees looking back at him!

Risq...

I am glad you are defending the writer's "right" to write HIS story from the husband's point of view. However neither I nor angiquesophie are arguing that... so I am not certain as why your defence of the author's right ...however noble.... has to be made.

I gave this story a 5 so this point of friendly debate is NOT a deal breaker for me. All we are saying is that SOMETIMES in some LW it would be nice to see the wife's motivations.

Lastly your wrote this

..." But if there is no way you'll take them back, and you still want to sit and hear all of their excuses, then isn't that really MEAN to let them stand before you and plead like crazy with you thinking that they can convince you everything will be all right, all while you know that at the end of it all your still walking out on them?...."

well DUUUUUH! I mean so fucking what!

sure it is MEAN!!! Risq IF my spouse has been cheating on me for months and engaged in sexual acts she has told me that she doesnt want to do... the last thing I am worried about is being "MEAN" to her...

Harry

even greater comments. Hell why write a story at all. Just put a few of these commentators together in a room and a "story" will magically be produced by itself. LOL. Regardless.....loved the story. Thank you. Jim

You actually created a discussion between readers and for the most part civilized. Never seen so many readers write such lengthy responses to a tale of a cheating spouse.. This story was analyzed and kicked around several times by different readers and authors. You could go back and forth and never really come up with a satisfactory answer for all. Is there really one good answer to the why of cheating? What excuse would make sense to justify breaking a marriage vow. Seems with half the population getting divorced these days, the vow doesn't seem to mean much anymore, just words apparently. With most states in the US honoring no fault divorces, the court isn't interested in the why's and how's. There is a small step called mandatory counseling required, which is a farce by all standards and then it's over. Personally, I think each man/woman most likely looks into their own hearts to determine the best way to handle a cheating spouse. Is there really a right or wrong way to handle a situation. Doubtful. Each person reacts differently, given the feedback generated. Revenge? Makes for interesting reading in stories but in reality it's doubtful that this step is taken. I may be wrong but I can only speak from personal experience with friends that have divorced. Although the wronged party was bitter, for the most part they tried to get along with their former spouse for the sake of the children. Author for only having posted two stories so far you have the making of a good writer. The beauty of feedback is that it gives you some indication of what readers think of your effort. Given the variation of different opinions expressed it's almost impossible to please all of your readers, but at least you got their attention. Thanks for a good read. Looking forward to your next story.

Why didn't he confront Sue and see if things could be worked out. Stella really threw gasoline on the fire because if she would have kept her mouth shut, she and Justin moved, John would have not known. I think John did not have the balls to meet Sue face to face because he was afraid of his feeling he still had for her. John's father said, if it is a flood, you pick yourself up like a man and get on with your life. Sue was part of his life, a big part, and he should have acted like a man and confronted her or at least listened to her before he went off half cocked. It must be hell growing old by yourself and that is what will happen to him.

But I guess for me, if this happened to me, I wouldn't really care I why she chose to cheat on me I guess.

Once I saw what she did, and watched her lie so convincingly to me like her character did, realized that she had lied to me for over six months, willing and freely giving acts to her lover she denied me so easily like this character did to her husband, I honestly wouldn't care why she did it.

If she chose to live a double life, make me believe everything was ok, *while* she was whoring it up with another man, I wouldn't be interested in anything she had to say ever again.

To me I wouldn't care for this reason:

"She already is an accomplished liar. She had kept me in the dark for over six months. She put her lover first and couldn't be bother to care about me until her lover was done with her and broke it off. Took a chance with my health by having unprotected sex with a man she didn't even know, and then continued to having it with him for six month, while she was sleeping with me? And now she wants me to pick up where he left off? At that point why would she have *anything* to say that I would want to hear?"

At least that's *my* personal viewpoint on it.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know what your saying and I understand that you guys feel she was to 2D without having that confrontation, or at least her trying to justify why she did it or him asking her why.

But for me, if it was me, I wouldn't care why.

If this happened to me it would be a needless conversation, an argument really, that in the end wouldn't solve anything because I would still be walking. At the end of the day I would still be leaving without her, so why put myself through a shouting match or have someone trying to convince me half of it was my fault when I can just walk away and save myself the grief? I mean we're talking about a planned and deliberate betrayal.

That's all I'm saying I would have done what this guy did (minus the DVD showing and hiding assets) and just walked away and told her I could careless why she did it. To me that doesn't make her 2D, just inconsequential to the main characters reaction or motivation to do what he chose to do.

Of course, like my mom always told me, if she had any type of conscious that would also drive her "crazy". If she has no conscious then it will be all my fault anyway when shes done and she'll tell everyone that I was the one in the wrong, so I saved myself the aggravation of being pissed off by her screwing me over and then blaming me.

But if she does have one, then the fact that she never got to *justify* her actions will drive her crazy that I didn't care why.

And I would take solus in that. (^_^)

-Risq

much better than your first effort, really liked it

Great story because of the conviction. I have read many that went the other way. Which is the way I have been personally. But hey, fiction can be reality, given situations. Thank you for a great read.

What she deserved she did'nt have to Do the Exstasy or the threesome.

But if it had stopped there John would have never known and she could be a Happy Lil Cheater.

....is just that, bullshit. Number 1 question always asked.

Your words StormX. Could you just clarify if your previous story is part of this trilogy and each is unconnected, or is there a previous part to this that has not been posted?

That's not true.

When I was 20 I had a girlfriend that I just loved to death. Everyone thought we'd get married, including my current wife who was a mutual friend at the time. Because that was all we talked about to each other and everyone else, getting everything in place so that we could settle down.

Like another story I just read on a few days ago, my girlfriend was shy and introverted. She didn't believe that she was cute so she dressed down or tried to hide it. I finally got her to start hanging out with my friends and stop wearing those god awful coveralls and tee shirts everywhere. She wouldn't wear makeup or anything.

But when she eventually started wearing dresses and slacks she was scalding hot. I really liked to take her out where I could take her to a nice restaurant instead of Micky D's all the time. I wanted her to have more confidence in herself than she had, but I didn't want to push her. Just show her there was more out there than what she was aware of.

But like everything else, and it's obvious since I refer to someone else as my wife, that we didn't get married.

Once guys started commenting on how hot she was all the time, both with me and at where she worked, she decided to cheat on me. And guess what I didn't care why and still don't. Other than knowing it was one of my ex-friends who I have yet to ever speak to even after all these years I don't know why she did it or even what she did. All I know is she did it for months and she admitted too cheating on me and that's all I needed to know. That was enough for me to call it quits.

At a mutual friends wedding a few years later, when she was single again (her and my ex-friend dated for awhile before he went back to his ex-girlfriend and married her), she sat at my table while I was with my friends. Other than when I nodded at her, to acknowledge her, I kept talking to the people around me. She danced with a few of my other friends, but commented a couple times loudly so that everyone could hear that I hated her guts even though she had to work hard to get up the nerve to approach me, and I wouldn't even give her just one dance. I eventually decided to, to show I wasn't a total prick, and I did dance just once with her.

She spent the whole song trying to get me to listen to her justify "why" she did. Personally I believe it was because she thought we could "work this out" if I did. But every time she started I told her I didn't care and asked her to stop. That was the last time we did anything like that. She even tried to email me why and I just deleted it and went on without reading it.

To me there are enough people in the world trying to screw me over that I wanted someone to watch my back and I would watch theirs. Not someone who would try to get whatever they could out of me "first" and if watching my back happened to align with what they wanted then they would do it. I don't need or want anyone like that as a mate or spend any real time with them. Some people want to excuse things like this as a slip (for months) but having sex with someone isn't a "slip".

A slip is when you fall and hit the ground. It's unexpected and unforeseen, something you couldn't control. "Deliberate" on the other hand is when you decide to ignore the reasons why you shouldn't choose to do something because its something you want to do. Its the use of a word to try and explain a justification for why it was ok what you did, and that no one should, or shouldn't for long, blame you for a bad choice once made.

It's far easier to say "I only slipped up once and only cheated on you that one time" (if you believe them) than to say "I deliberately made the spur of the moment decision that experiencing sex with someone else, at that moment I decided to go somewhere and have sex with them, was far more important than remembering how much you love and trusted me to do the right thing by you". No one wants to be that brutally honest. They want to sugar coat why they did it or justify it so in the light of day it doesn't look so bad, so why would I even care to listen?

Be honest, if Rozanne Bar was to come up to you tomorrow and try to seduce you would you do it? Yet someone how if Megan Fox was the one to get you into bed then everyone "suddenly" wants to give you the benefit of the doubt of a one time slip to excuse it as being ok long as you break it off, and your wife should be understanding and forgive you for it. That's bull. If she's not screwing around you shouldn't be either.

That's how I feel and that will never be changed by anyone.

So like I said there "are" people who actually "don't care" why. I know, because I'm one of them. To me some people just aren't worth finding out why from. You might disagree, but I've already lived 40 years of my life like that and I'm not going to change (^_^)

-Risq

The question of why is irrelevant. Why do you do anything? If you make a conscience decision to do something, it is simply because you want to. There is no mitigation in the answer to why. In my opinion there is no such thing as being unfaithful because of ???????. If you were then in my book that is the kiss of death.

I agree with you that it is OK for you (thanks for sharing - maybe you should write as I think you showed some skills there ) or the character in this story not care why. And since this story was from the point of view of the one person who did not care why, it made sense not to look into the character of the wife further. BUT for ME (in general) I love well defined characters and to know their thoughts and motivation. Even if what they tell the spouse is different than what they really think. Example. One author I like but purposely leaves out the wife thoughts is papatoad. So many of his story the wife after being caught goes into depression, goes insane or becomes plan ruthless and you never get a clue why. It is his fault because he makes it interesting enough to care. I still like his stories, but I wish sometimes he would take it further.

The issue we have here is that once the trust is lost, how can you believe how it happened and why she did it? Trustworthiness is an intrinsic trait of the person. They either deserve your trust or they don't. Once you discover they don't, there is really nothing anybody can do about it and make them worthy of your trust. Once trust is lost that they lied to you, especially too easily, how can you ever trust them again? They must have a good justification of why it was okay for them to lie to you. Even if you found out what that was, how can you tell it was the only justification or situation where they would lie to you? Hell, how would you know that was the first time it happened? Shit, she did not offer to do those acts with him UNTIL AFTER her lover broke it off.

<br><br>I do not know how it just happened that she offered a blow job on the same day he practically discovered the affair. Maybe that was a mistake in the plot or a coincidence.

<br><br>I know the WHY is not important in this situation, but the wife talked for fifteen minutes trying to make her case. She intended to reconcile, so explaining the WHY for her was important. Yet, we got no reference to it. She kept saying it was just a big mistake. That does not mean anything. How can you tell she would not plot to murder you by mistake? She should have explained her thought processes even if only to show that she had a good chance of preventing that from happening in the future. We are not even sure it had not happened before.

<br><br>The readers normally want to know why it happened and it seemed that the other got a golden chance to do that free of charge but chose not to do it. I find that the less likely choice to make. After all, we normally want the author to show us and make us believe that this can happen while giving us enough details.

Man... we left the trail on this discussion a bit...

First Great story, really got people thinking and if you can do that...you've done something.

Now onto the the matter of 'Why'.

To me it's simple... People can go "I don't care why" and that's PERFECTLY valid and a real world response. Like Risq I had an Ex-almost wife cheat on me and ...I don't care why.

BUT... this is lit.... there is another rule to remember here. It's not just the Man and the Wife.... there is also the READER. That's one reason why the story's that DON'T have the why in them many times over get the response of "WHY?".

Look at it this way...and yes I know I did this in one of MY stories ... If you have a reconciliation story... Where you spend page after page after page telling of the pain of finding out the cheating THEN the pain that the man goes through and maybe the wife doesn't understand or what not... then suddenly in the last 3 paragraphs she comes home says "Sorry" and cry's and it's all well and done...

I KNOW Harry will call BS on that. And gladly so. A writer has to think "will this be enough explanation and telling to make the reader believe that they should be together/split?" The author might KNOW internally all the workings that make the man forgive her BUT we the reader have to see the process and feel that she fills the crater or mostly fills the crater she dug for herself to make it believable to 'us'.

Heck i have seen several stories that don't have that much of of a problem of 'why' in them because the husband goes "I never found out why and really didn't care, she cheated and I found I couldn't even think of going back to her so why listen to her excuses?"

BUT, as Harry said, He never even questioned for a second, that we saw, "why did she cheat and do those things?" He was almost...robotic in that regard.

yeah we get this "I never knew her" semi speech but... it's not full filling.

Maybe if we had a few more pages, where the wife gives her excuses, and then the husband tells her "it doesn't matter' and we SEE all of that, both sides... heck maybe if he takes her argument apart ... bit by bit or as a group...

Part of it is OUR curiosity, not on the part of the husband but as part of ours as readers ... WHY did she act that way? Is she just evil or insane or is there something else.

There are a FEW , very few, stories where we get a part 2 where the wife talks, and we understand. Yes she fell of her rocker, yes she lost it... but we know why...in half self serving babble but at least we get a chance.

That's the ONLY ....problem/issue that a 1st person story can have... we the reader will not get all the info to satisfy us usually. It's OK and real...but the author has to understand that while we get MORE internal emotion form this POV...we get less of the facts to feed our frenzy.

BUT, good story... I can't wait for the next one from you. Listen to what people are saying, talk to your editors and get some friends on here that you trust and KEEP WRITING!

This story was a riveting read. After your first submission which was dreadful, this story was a complete surprise. The main character development was good and had a great flow from his pov.

Yes we may not need to know the whys of the cheating but it still would have been some of the first words out of my mouth if it had been me.

So from that standpoint I would have liked to have known. Especially given the 14 years that this marriage had stood with love and no problems.

The story made it seem that the marriage was over forever, but I still have my doubts that the relationship would be truly over if they had met face to face. It still may happen in the future.

What a sad story and what a waste of 14 good years.

Thanks for writing

Frankly, though a bit venomous at times, I've enjoyed the argument over whether why the wife did it really matters. It's scary, but I agree with both sides of the coin. Angiquesophie (as usual) and HarryinVA make a valid point: Namely, the wife's character is somewhat flat, and the story maybe not quite as much as it could otherwise be, because the loving wife's motivations in such serial adultery are not explored or explained. Risq is also right, though, in that there reaches a point where the adultery is so incredibly over the top that the protagonist needs no explanation to just dump her and move on.

As usual, Patricia51 had some excellent insights on this very issue in her essay about foregiveness, and I'm surprised no one has raised it here. In that excellent discussion, she points out that foregiveness is possible depending on the motivation and the degree of the betrayal; some emotional betrayals even being worse than a one-time physical act of adultery. I, for one, agree with her overall conclusions. And under her conclusions, the wife's behavior here was too much to ever foregive. Thus, Risq's points would normally have my vote.

However, Angiquesophie and HarryinVA also are right in that it leaves a major gap in the story. Think about it: This man was simply blown away by the very notion that his wife could ever betray him. So blown away, in fact, that he waited several days before even opening the envelope, which I could never do. Given that, some explanation of her motivation would help explain just what the hell she was doing. Was the marriage, in fact, already dead in her eyes and he was just wearing blinders? Was she a raging nymph who just couldn't say no? Regardless of the reason, the story would have been more fully developed had the wife's motivations been more fully explored.

One comment noted that the reason should never have been raised because that would only have served to evoke sympathy for the wife and, at least partially, excuse her actions. I disagree. I don't care why Ted Bundy was a serial killer, I'm still disgusted by his actions. Motivations are thus not excuses. Rather, they help us understand why the characters did what they did.

Then again, and I know I'm waffling at this point, this story didn't set out to explain how good marriages deteriorate or break up. Instead, this story was all about revenge. As such, the wife's motivations weren't necessary to the central theme of the story. Moreover, writing from the first person does make it more difficult (particularly in the context of this story line where husband pretended all was well until the final denouement) to adequately explore the wife's underlying motivations. The video indicated it was all based on wife's uncontrolled lust, though, so maybe that should be enough.

Thus, do I think the story would have been better with an explanation of some kind? Maybe. Do I think it was necessary for this story to succeed on its own terms? No.

Either way, this is an excellent story and far more to my tastes than the author's first effort. I only ask that StormX continue to write and, if his improvement on this pace continues, he'll be one to definitely keep an eye on.

Great story and a nice little side issue came out of it as well. I like the fact that you wrote both the story's you did write so far. At this point I do not know what to expect for your 3rd, which is good. You are kind of like the David Bowie of authors on this site to (for example) Just Plain Bob's Ramones (who I love as well). Takes a lot of different spices to get the stew right. Congrats on your great start.

Susan would simply say the reason she didn't allow him to fuck her ass --- and yet she allowed her lover to do it --- was because the lover was not her husband, someone she would have to live with, deal with, on a daily basis. <p>

With the lover, it is nothing more than sex (I know, women PRETEND to themselves they are SO UNLIKE MEN and they won't have sex with strangers until the deal has reached some emotional level in them, in the women. It's total BS; women are just as SEXUAL as men and they CAN BE much more easily coax, induce, or simply physically force to comply to sexual acts..) <p>

Susan, therefore, doesn't have to care. If the lover wanted her ass and used it all night and dump amounts of his bodily fluid in it, so what? She simply takes shower and returns to the husband... <p>

So that covers the ass sex part. There is no mystery as to why he didn't get her ass and her lover go it. But at this point, it is no longer her ass --- something he wanted and didn't get --- that bothers him, that saddens him, more than any thing else: it is that she LIED straightfaced, to him, saying: "My dear husband, you will receive something you have always wanted but I've never been able to give it to you or anyone... my ass..." <p>

Well, when you hear something like that from your loving and beloved wife, and then watch a video of her ass gaping, with her lover's seminal fluids gashing out of it... I doubt you would want to fuck it now... So NOT being able to fuck her ass is no longer an issue, or that important... it is the knowledge tha someone you have loved deeply and all your life COULD BE THAT CALLOUS, that heinous, in their dealing with you... <p>

Indeed, he talks about these things, when he dismantled the "horns" he says she's hung on him.... <p>

Now, the DRUG USE: He too already knows all the drug use, since Stella has told him everything way in advance, as to what happened from the very first time until Stella comes to him in the bar, with all the evidence, and asks him to not only forgive Stella but also find a way to forgive his wife... <p>

So, there is no mysterious WHYs on that angle that he didn't know. Susan used the ecstacy and other drugs, had sex with Stella and her husband and continued to go back, both with Stella in a trio or without her, just the lover, in motels... Again, with the pictures, videos, and reports given to the husband by Stella, the husband KNOWS all of it, so the WHYs about drug and sex are already known variables. <p>

Now, if Susan HAD KILLED some one, who could have been trying to blackmail her, or trying to rape her, what-not... and there's no information about that, then, yes, the husband does need to know why she would do such a thing, so out of character, to ruin their marriage, which last some 15 years, good years, he thought... But it's not some UNKNOWN VARIABLE like that, is it? <p>

Of course, Sasuan is going to say something like: "Once I got hooked on the drug and wild sex, with them, I became another person, not your loving and somewhat-conservative wife any more... and of course, I never wanted you to know. And if you never found out, you'd never get hurt," blah, blah... He KNOWS she would say something like that, to excuse/explain/rationalize her behavior and acts... So, again, there's nothing mysterious about her activities with Stella and her husband, as a trio, or with just Stella's husband alone, behind the good-hearted Stella's back <p>

Anyway, as others have said, if the wronged husband was going to do some serious revenge, why not pay a punk $200 to break both Stella and her husband teeth, just so they suffer some serious physical and mental pains, too? In addition to the monetary settlements they're willing to do later, of course. And you don't have to tell them you've paid some punk to knock out their teeth, either! They still need to work, so don't injur them any other way; just their teeth...

GenghisKhan brings good points, but still in the story the wife tries to convince him that she was stupid and made a big mistake that would never happen again. Logically, she should explain why not. Did she get a brain implant and now she is no longer stupid? How did that mistake come to happen? Remember that the wife may not know how much he knows. In her POV, he could be ignorant about the drugs. He only had pictures, DVDs, whatever. The drug story was told by the other woman. We do not know if it was actually substantiated but we do not have enough reason to doubt it.

<br><br>Now about the who, when your marriage or friendship or whatever breaks, you have two choices: either the other person was a miserable shit all along and you discovered late, or that the person was a great person and some accident or situation happened and changed the person into some shit. Although John treats Sue and Susan as different persons, he broke the pen that Sue gave him, but he still says go with God or whatever about her. He definitely killed all the happy memories of the 14 years and rightfully so. He has the right to believe that throughout his marriage she was capable of giving him a lot more but she did not. That meant the whole marriage was a sham. When you think so, there is no going back.

<br><br>She also dug herself deep by not finding a way to add the things she discovered under Ecstasy to her marriage. She lied anyway. She could have lied to quit after the first time and add different things to her marriage. She just kept going back. They talked about the ass thing, but what about the blow jobs? She was giving them by the truckload and she quit when she got married, yet she returned to giving them to the lover who she gave everything. They were not something new. How can you excuse that? Another thing is the time she spent with her lover. She probably fucked him in those six months more than she fucked her husband in the last ten years. She spent days and nights on end at times. I do not think she did that with her husband after their honeymoon. The pleasure she enjoyed in the arms of her lover that she never tried to bring to her marriage just killed everything.

If you're going to cheat, don't get caught,if you get caught take the consequences and move on with your life.

Good story, well planned and well written.

Thanks

It was also very deliberate in the way things were planned and executed. Thx

A powerful, well-written and emotional story. I was totally drawn into it. As for the controversy raging here about "the reason Why," I think that I'll leave that one alone--pretty much everything has been said, on all sides.

Instead, I'll say: please write some more stories as good as this one!

Thanks, ohio

But you tell it so well! You have an exceptional writing style. A very enjoyable read. I hope we see more form you in the future. Thank you

You set an interesting scenario for Susan's cheating. Was it the high from ecstasy that made her sex with Justin such a joy that the pictures captured? Could that explain why a woman who refused her husband even a regular blowjob now do things with strangers that she never did before? The problem with using the female POV as suggested by Angiquesophie is that we the readers would see very little of the struggle within John to keep his faith in his wife. Yes we the readers also see his decision and his revenge. Just a point about Justin and Stella. Obviously, they have seduced other single or married women before as a couple. Stella had no problem sharing Justin as long as she was involved so she knew from past practices that once Susan gave in they would be taking her home. Perhaps once Susan had given in (she probably saw and envied a sexually free couple) what reason did she have to resist Justin while John was gone? Once she gave Justin everything she had not given her husband is it any wonder she would start giving some of that to John? Since John was gone 1 every 6 weeks that means about 5 weeks with Justin over the six months. Once Susan found out it was over with Justin she wanted to please her husband. That is why she gave John the blowjob that Friday and offered her ass as an anniversary gift. Perhaps if Stella had never provided the envelope John would have been a happy camper getting more sex from Susan. More likely, John would have been suspicious in her change in behavior which could have lead to trouble. There seems to be a lot of comments on why but the why of this story is crystal clear. Susan had resisted the sole male seducer because who know where that could lead. The Holmes couple had blown her mind sexually and freed her from old inhibitions. So what is the mystery? Thanks for a great story!

....I didn't make myself very clear. The reason why is the number one question 98% of the time, except with loving wives readers, where it is Hegelian (turned on it's head!) is that the question is asked not about "what made her do it", per se, but why did she fall out of love with me? This motivation for asking "why?" relates to self actualization and healing, and I'd bet even Risq needed to add this to the aftermath of a failed relationship, even though I'd answer him that I should have qualified my statement to specify that it relates to people that had a deep investment in each other and a couple,few years as boy/girlfriend doesn't count. Not caring to know why is not a noble or brave posture,by any means.

John has is she would have done it again, perhaps not after she found out he knew but if not confronted she would have found another Justin, she loved the sex and the cheating, no remorse, no love, no forgivness. Good story, thanks.

but very well done. You have good character development, a strong plot, and the story has a good flow. If there are any technical errors they were too minor to notice.

I usually don't get involved in commenting about the characters or their actions. They belong to you and do as you wish. The one comment I will make is that the drug Susan took might have made her spend the first night with the couple but it had no bearing on the next day or the next six months. I truly don't believe that Susan was sorry, only sorry that she got caught and if her play toy had still been available I think she would have still been his whore.

Thanks for your hard work, I think you are a talented and gifted writer.

to this category. Only negative is serious lack of proper editing. Hope you are here for the long haul and don't let the sick, twisted , bitter losers who have never had a successful personal relationship get to you if your tales sometimes see the spouses stay together.

Good Story, IMO the slut stopped loving her husband after she had been turned out by the couple. He was correct in believing that she was no more than a whore and he had every right to leave her. Getting some revenge both on her as well as on the couple that turned her out was within his right. The wife of the couple would have been happy with Susan as their whore if she had continued to be included, and so was just a guilty as her husband. Good ridence to bad rubbish!

Might be important for a reader but for John the act was the only thing that had any meaning & it meant that she did not care for him in teh way he did for her.

After your first submission, which I candidly thought was absolutely dreadful, I almost passed on this one. Glad that I didn't. This was great, very well written [well, clearly some technical, grammatical errors, but those are hard to catch - I know, my main job is writing professional non-fiction, & I always have someone proof my work after 37 years].

And while I don't particularly admire either Harry In VA, or "Angie", I certainly, well almost, can understand their points. As a being who typically wants to know "why", I would have liked to have known "why". But, in the end, I must side w/ Risq [who should write himself; he is well-thought & articulate].

At the end of the day, what she had done was so egregious, so completely & totally out-of-bounds; that you almost didn't care why. I would have done just what he did, except I might have done it in person, just so I could see her face when she was confronted w/ what she'd done. I would borrow another's screen name, & say "Torchthebitch", kick her slutty ass to the curb, & go on my - hopefully - merry way.

It is hard to believe that your first and second story were written by the same person. This one was very well done, please continue. anon jerry

Except for minor editing problems, I thought it was one of the best stories that I have ever encountered on this site. Thank you for a well thought out and very well done story.

He just ran away like a little boy. Author didn't have him face life as the father supposedly told him. Author has the guy become a cowardly, sinister, vengeful monster. Guess it pleases the women haters at LW.

All the 'confront at any cost' idiots fail to consider the probability of violence in situations where the betrayal is of this magnitude. This guy dealt with his anger without reverting to the common 'cave-man' scenario of raining blows with fists or baseball bats to the people that betrayed him. Bravo.

This is your best work.

Cute "envelope" theme you had going. I'm satisfied with the resolution.

I have commented on this story (twice) before, but I ready it again last night.

<br>There was something that intrigued me. How did she decide to try Ecstasy with people she has never met before even if they sat talking for a few hours and she felt they were trustworthy? We are talking about a woman around Forty, so she is not young and brash. I am sure most men would not make a decision like that.

<br>The two possible scenarios I have are: 1. She had cheated before and had affairs that she regretted and quit for some reason or another, and 2. Her drinks were spiked and/or the drunk was put in her drink without her knowledge. In either scenario, she had the tendency for cheating.

<br>In my opinion, this is the point that needed some more light most.

I was nicely pleased to see this was a happy ending (for him), and a nice touch of her in defeat. She played and thought she'd not have to pay?

She has skills in different positions to go forward, and she'll deal with that.

Delicious tension and beautifully plotted...thank you for a wonderful ride.

One tab of ecstasy and she's a cheating slut. It would be my pleasure to look her in the eye and spit on her. Cheaters deserve no compassion or kindness, only rejection, pain, and suffering.

This is a true story...mrbill

However it was a very good story and a very good read. R.T.

i liked the video call

It was oh so unpleasant for the three, and he was free of all of them.

I'd like to be completely clear that I apply the following to regardless of gender or sex.

Person-to-person confrontation is not always a good solution. That sort of approach would remind the "victim" of what the other side have done to them, and thus heighten much more anger and resentment. It's a situation where you don't even want to see someone because of what they have done have made you absolutely despise them.

I'm rather glad that I don't see many ridiculous "Reconcile" comment here. It sounds romantic, but think about this. What kind of relationship would you expect with someone after they betrayed you to the core of your heart? One side will always have substantial, and reasonable, cause to distrust the other; the other side will always feel distrusted at some level. Ultimately, it's not healthy for either of them, IMO.

Spouses are a major part of both parties' life. However, it may not be the eternal case (hence there's something called divorce). The act of committing severe deception or betrayal completely nullifies it all, however big it was. Thus I see no reason for anybody to sustain that sort of relationship nor I never blame anyone for removing it. Life based on big lies isn't pleasant.

(cont.) Not every situation we deal with has the winning and the losing side. We are not exactly playing sports here. It is impossible to deny what happened and it is hard to recover from the pain, but there are times we just have to get out of the situation that has done much damage to us (no matter how much it meant), leave it behind and move on.

You still needs some editing

I have checked the web. Alienation of Affection laws have almost been removed from every state in the America (Maybe 6 still have them). So every time I see them, it is a big disconnect to me.

That said, I've read this sucker twice if that means anything.

I would have liked to say a happy ending where the innocent person stands out in the end and the wife gets what she deserved, but in such cases there is no happy ending. An innocent man is destroyed by his wife's actions. The wife lost her hubby, her friends' respect and her reputation. 15 years down the drain. Such is the reality of these encounters.

Intelligent dialogues. Believable characters. Raw emotion portrayed nicely. Overall an amazing story. 5 stars for this one.

I think the husband made a huge mistake!! This marrage could have been saved . I believe you are not a wimp in a situation like this.

I don't remember last time I enjoyed a story so much. 5 stars without hesitation. Competently written and construed. Thank you.

I agree with those that don't understand "Why" a couple described as being so in love did what they both did. Why???? It doesn't make sense for either unless they were not really in love or content with the marriage. At least Steele tells us why they acted as they did in "When we were married"

I think it was good. I think the comments were good. I agree with Angie and PistolPackingPete and the others that think the story would have been even better with the wife's side told. Maybe a Sequel? Theres always reasons for anything someone does. Considering what she had to lose, "Why," would she risk all? I can kinda understand why the husband didn't care in this story, because he saw "What," she had done for 6 months and no longer cared from that point on about the "Why!" Yet, if that was the case. If he did not care after seeing the photos, isn't the opposite of love, indifference? Couldn't he have just moved on with his life without the plotted revenge?

I got a Dear John from a woman I loved and was about to marry when I was a young Marine. I was proud and macho and accepted it without asking "Why." I internalized the event and it wounded me for a long time. It was worse than any wound I received in combat. I was upset and wondering, "Why"? Especially since we had had a wonderful and very romantic relationship. I married another woman soon after and realized 6 months later that I didn't really love her in the way I should have. We lived 15 years together before I left for another woman I did love. I didn't leave until after she had started cheating but at least I understood the "Why" She cheated, because by then she knew that I had never really loved her and sought someone who could.

I don't know that the "Why" would have helped me any the first time, but at least I might have avoided marrying the next girl on the rebound and partly ruining both her's and my world. If your interested...the girl that Dear Johned me had gone back to her old love who she had not gotten over. I found out a year later after I married. I don't know if this provides any additional insight, but it gives you my reasons for the importance of "Why" someone you love did what they did. Maybe you need that "Why" so you can understand and forgive them some day? Thanks for reading this if you bothered. I have just started commenting again since a couple of years ago when I commented too emotionally. As far as the productive comments on the writer's story, better writers than I have covered it well.

1. Because it was over and because of her involvement Estella would never give John the envelope.

2. John could not sell the house without his wife's signature because no Title company would insure the house without a wife's signature unless the deed states "Name of seller, a single person."

3. Sue would never agree to the terms of the divorce and, even if she would, her attorney would not allow. Furthermore, embarrassing her at the 15 year party would result in her being in a rage. The term, "Hell hath no furry..." would apply.

4. John would not receive $500,000; he would not receive anything.

5. Playing the video would be a huge mistake. First it is a crime to force people to watch an obscene without their consent. Second, it is an invasion of privacy so John would be sued. Third, the court would frown on doing that and penalize John by giving most of the estate to Sue plus almony. John would end up with almost nothing.

6. No proper middle class, middle age woman would take ecstasy; especially so soon after meeting Justin.

It is understandable that John is angry that Sue willingly gave to Justin what she often or always denied John. However, as Sue partly explained that is because John is a selfish prick. He was only after his own enjoyment. John was not interested in pleasing Sue so Sue didn't care to please John. Sue gave to Justin because Justin wanted to please her.

the husband should have poured acid down the slut's cunt. she got away too easy.

Personally i could not have stayed with her all that time. Yes people like the other wife would give him that info later. And yes there are ways the house could be sold without her signature and in particular if it was in his name only. People like this woman need to have a special place in hell to burn, giving another meaning to burn the bitch. Can almost promise you she never loved her paycheck. And it is very important her family and the friends know the truth in the matter.

A few closetcucks will cry about the revenge being not violent enough or him staying too long; that is just dickless turds crying. Good plot, pace, dialogue, editing, etc; everything to make a darn good read.