All Comments on 'Sally & Harry (Ed & Jo)'

I think generally faking it is a response to a man's insecurity. Due to our biological makeup men are very visible in their responses. The signs of a woman's orgasm are much more subtle. Men would not be concerned except they do want their partner to be satisfied. Women realize the insecurities they are dealing with and to avoid negative feelings, fake it now and then. Perhaps this is why some men go to great lengths to give their partner an orgasm (or more) during foreplay. This helps their guilt if they don't seem to quite match timelines during intercourse.

The bottom line is women want to reach orgasm as much as their partners do. The cycle of faking it and insecurity can only be broken by honest communication. Communication and respect seem to be what is missing in many relationships and the cause of much pain and misery.

Not to argue the whys and wherefores but it took me a long time to get over my wife telling me that sometimes she faked it.

Now I have an on line g/f. Sometimes I 'fake it' since my orgasm seems to give her pleasure. No way would I ever tell.

faking happens , so what. is he so insecure that finding out crumbles his ego. did he not get off. as a man some times you get off some times you dont so what if it is love you are doing it for her as much as for yourself. as a male sure of him self i realise that some times i get her off and some times i dont but the same is for myself also some times i do and some times i dont but this does not make me any less a man

H2o...Mine doesn't. But I don't get upset if she does or does not have an "orgasm". She explained to me that all intimacies between us are good. Yeah, some are earth shattering, some aren't. I can live with that. I understand it does not always have to do with me. Sick kid, parent, dog...whatever, it adds to their emotions.

I have spoken of cheating wives before, my ex usually,

and it has a LOT of venom in it. But my wife of 20+ years is an absolute gift from God. She is about 2 notches smarter than I am in the field of human emotions and she takes great care to communicate with me. Our marriage is not perfect, but as close as I think I will find, giving my shortcomings, few though they may be :) - - - but if I thought she had been faking her love for me I would be devastated. If I thought she were less than honest with me regarding our relationship I would be very hurt.

Isn't honesty, trust, the truth - - whatever you care to

call it, the bedrock of marriage? My ex? She cheated on

me, the kids, herself and still is. She is an alcoholic and

a druggy. I will never understand cheaters. Wish I were

smart enough, but I'm not.

Faking happens. I think the main thing I have heard my GOOD friends gripe about is oral sex. Before they were married

the female swallowed and seemed to love oral sex, both ways.

AFTER they were married, they didn't seem to care for it.

To be honest, that was more than I cared to know about their

sex life, but I listened. I still don't have an answer for

that, but you take a spouse for the good and the bad. If you

have a suggestion for these guys...say so. I don't. It is

not that important to me. Maybe because I had such a bad

experience before, but the "big picture" is that I have

total faith, total trust and total devotion to my wife. If

she cheated on me it might kill one of us, or both. Literally.

Ask the police, domestic disputes are about the most dangerous call they answer. Because it involves core values

so deep, the people involved don't always know what they are

going to do. Been there, done that, don't want the T-shirt.

I told my wife once, if you cheat on me ...we have only one

chance. Confess it to me, tell me why and tell me why it

can never happen again. OR..."lie 'til ya die". The woman

in this story misread her husband. One of the management

gurus set up a table "Read and Act" I think it was. You

read the situation, then act approprietely. Read - Act.

She read it wrong, reaction was not what she thought it would be. I am NOT saying she was wrong to fake it, but to

tell hubby could be traumatic...and in this story it was.

Would I divorce this woman? I don't think so. Would I have

a series of LONG talks with her? Yes. Do I think she is a

"cheater" - - probably not. I am honest to a fault and have

to be careful how I answer questions. I don't lie, but I

try to find a polite way to tell the wife her new dress makes her appear...uh...emphasizes the wrong...no..uh..the

dress is not the best color on her. Did I lie? Sort of.

Should I tell her she would need a "wide load" sign on her

rear if she wore it? Tell her the highway patrol would insist she put a tag axle on her Jeep? Yeah, right. Any

person who is that honest is single.

So H2o, I have rambled some, but I hope I have given you one

viewpoint. As one of my old Professors said about the

very unpopular Vietnam situation: "Some of my friends agree

with us being there, some of them disagree and I don't like

to disagree with my friends." See you tomorrow.

Yes at times they do fake it, If a women loves her man why wouldn't she want him to know how much she loves him. If she didn't always cum... he would think she didn't love or he didn't satisfy her.... Maybe I will write a neding to this with my thoughts

Women fake everything. Love, trust orgasms, you name it, they fake it.

I am ashamed to say it took my wife 10 years to finally tell me she didn’t have an orgasm all the time. We got married as kids and virtually grew up together in marriage and life. We were the typical blue-collar family. Husband goes to work, wife stays home with the kids. We had one car and she did all the shopping when I was home. I told her what to do, when to do it and what I said was law. Boy was I stupid and she was too insecure to know it. All our friends acted the same as we did. This was the 60’s and I guess we were still living in the 50’s.

We had a really bad argument, as bad as it ever got between us, a lot of yelling. She turned to me and said “and I hardly ever have an organism”. I stop dead in my tracks and said nothing. I froze in place with my mouth wide open. I just sat down on the couch and looked at the floor. We were silent for minutes. I looked up at her and I remember having tears forming in my eyes. The argument was totally over and lost from my mind. I felt like the wind had been knocked out of me.

My ego was crushed and I was in a panic. What do I do now?

This was the start of the first real communication between us about out sex life. It took years for me to stop asking if she made it every time we made love. I always was asking her to tell me what turned her on and what I could do to make love making better. She was never very demonstrative and to this day, 40 years later she still finds it hard to talk about our sex life and what she likes. She accepts now that my main joy and reason in making love is to please her.

I know she has always loved me and was just trying to please me. I knew this fact when she first shocked me with her revelation that fateful night. My ego was about me not being good enough to satisfy my wife. Boy did that bring me down to earth. I spent time trying to figure if I was cheating her if I wasn’t good enough for her. Boy! Could she do better with someone else? I told myself that this would never happen, I was going to do what ever I could to make her every fantasy and need come true.

She finally got through to me that she loved me and only me and had never thought that what we had for sex was bad. I have always had enough self-esteem that my ego never was challenged by guys hitting on her or her doing a little flirting with our friends, or her going out with the girls. We both new who we were going home with and if she could not handle a fresh guy she’d let me know and I would handle it. That night was the most awaking good thing in our love life as I think that was the start of me being a true partner in sex instead of “Brace yourself Effie”.

I found out how much fun it was to become romantic with her. Those times of romance like a certain unplanned dinner or rendezvous or special sensuous date away from the kids and family, brought out the tigress and aggressor I had always dreamed of. God she was more woman then I had ever hoped for! We still love the romance even now that she is, sadly bedridden and we can only snuggle and kiss in candlelight

I know some of my old friends are to macho and insecure to think it would be their fault that their wife or girl friend might not always be enthralled with their love making, and that saddens me.

The guy in this story had no self esteem at all and so low an ego that he is going to have to seek help to get where he believes he is worth while. Before he can trust others he has to know he is all right in who he is.

Hey good subject and one very much part of life.

Thanks and please keep writing.

Congratulations, one of the dumbest non-plot stories I've read recently. That's the whole story? the Ct. Yankee

I can never be absolutely sure but when my wife and I started dating, She told me that she was faking it. I told her if she ever wanted to have orgasms with me she couldn't fake it, that would blow up in both our faces.

I can see why he is so depressed. He feels that where he thought he was an equal partner, he now feels that he was just being humored like a child.

The first was more shocking but that husband refused to confront his wife, at least this husband is going head to head on the issue.

The real issue is trust, and it is every bit as important as sexual fidelity to the life or death of a marriage.

In the third sentence of the first paragraph you tell us:

" No, I have a lesbo partner."

So, silly me, I was expecting all thru the story that the lesbian lover would appear - It was YOU who told me there is one......

Then, in the third sentence of the last paragraph you tell us:

" No, I do not have a lesbo partner."

Would it be too much to ask which statement do you expect us to believe? The one at the start or the one at the end of the story?

It is just completely fucking stupid as it stands, if she doesn't even know if she has a lesbian lover.

Do you want us to think she has or has not, pray tell.

A little attention to detail wouldn't go astray.

your thinking on the topics are off.your writing has turn dark.what up with you.you keep rambling and ramling.

Well now you have gone and provoked a serious contemplation and a real need for discussion.

Reader comments range from serious, explanitive from past experience, or uneasiness by finding fault with lesbo or not - lesbo isn't the issue!

We Need Male feedback on:

How did you react upon finding out???

OR how would you react if you did???

I think it would be a mistake to confront your wife wildly - how about asking her if she ever felt the need and why / then ask her if she could see how that would be self defeating to any open relationship. See note ** below. Do some roll reversal.

It would also be interesting for female feedback on the same subject ( Reasoning wht or perhaps what if??? - a roll reversal)

Or What if he repeatedly couldn't achieve orgasm or erection???

This is something I never have thought about but my ego would take a big hit if I found out this was going on.

Note ** : I would much rather it be evident that I hadn't done it for her for discussion and understanding sake.

It would sure be helpful / nice if there were more past experiance comments (with good or bad outcomes).

A Great Provocation Author - Thanks - With Very High Regard

When my current wife and I decided to be a monogamus couple I made a request: That she never fake an orgasm. She laughed. She promised never to fake anything, never to lie to me in any conscious way. She never has. In the story the man discovers that his wife faked an orgasm. He allowed that awareness to completely destroy the trust he gave her before. Yes, the male ego is fragile. Yes, almost any man can learn ways to protect his own ego and live with truth. I give my wife my trust as a gift. She holds that gift as precious. We communicate about everything. The man in the story discovered something he didn't expect and he closed up. He didn't communicate, didn't learn, didn't grow. He reverted to a small boy and ran away. That is not the behavior of a man. That is a little boy. That is all too common and all too sad.

I think that most men, the ones that truly try to please their partners, would be crushed to find out that they where decieved. I think that he would have a proformance problem after this revelation. I think the main trouble would be a trust factor. I would rather have my wife tell no she did not have an orgasm than fake it. Then I could try to do better next time. good discussion. JD seller

my worthless two cents in. The only issue to me is the lie, i don't know if i will ever accept a good reason for any lie.

i think we want to believe there is, don't make the wife feel bad about her weight, don't tell the husband you are faking it, i'm sure there are many others.

there are such things as judgement calls, for example, a woman asks "am i pretty?", a question i don't believe should be answered, it's a judgement call, in your eyes she may or may not be, but how about in the next persons eyes.

am i fat, some judgement here, but there are weight guidelines, send them to the guidelines.

i do believe that sometimes under the arguement of not hurting someone's feelings, we may be doing them more harm by not being honest with them.

the truth may set you free, but not always without some pain, but if it's the truth, you should know it, admit it, and do something about it.

The question behind the story is timeless. While I'm sure none of my previous lovers have ever faked it, I am just as sure that many other women do. Wait a minute. What if they all fake it from time to time? How would I know? Maybe they all faked it with me. What if I'm a lousy lover?

Thanks for a provocative story H20and for ruining my day.

With this story you have made your point about the value of honesty in a married relationship. The fact that Jo did not think lying was a big thing reflect the common belief that a "white" lie is OK.

If she had not faked her orgasms perhaps her husband would develop into a better lover for her.

SleeplessinMD

there were 16 comments posted here before this.

the story was women faking ORGASM. So i had 3 anonymous, kanga (which i could not id by the comment,)and 14 men.

Where are all the females? ashamed to admit they fake it?

or just not reading my stories? or decided not to admit to anything? or WHAT?

I did the story ro provoke a discussion on a subject that i had never seem on this site.

kanga, my error. there was no lesbian lover in this story.

so what do i do to get females to talk? LADIES, DO YOU FAKE IT AND WHY???

hell yes i gave myself a 00. i damn well loved it except for the lack of discussion. In my view this story failed.

It did not do what i wanted it to do. DAMN SHIT FUCK!!!!!

now i will have to rewrite the damn thing and repost it. and the discussion will be about the damn story and not about the FAKING OF AN ORGASM.

i am the H20wader

As a woman, I can say that faking it with someone you aren't married to, not in love with and not enjoying it with - it's then acceptable. The other side of that is what in the world is she doing spreading her legs for if she's not into the person or act? But when you are in love with your sex partner, it is a sharing of your intermost being - the mind, heart and soul. To fake it while in a committed relationship, a woman is undermining the fundamental structure of the relationship. Personally, I don't have an orgasm every time, but the act itself is very enjoyable and my husband knows this because we communicate. His ego is not threatened by this and it does not do any damage to our loving because he is secure in what we share.

You state, "I gave my wife my trust as a gift. She holds that gift as precious." You further state that you communicate about everything. All's well and good.

That's your *belief*. But what would happen if you find incontrovertible evidence that you only *thought* she holds that gift as precious, but that she's actually been lying to you all this time? What happens to that trust? You communicate? How can you have meaningful, intimate communication with someone when you don't know whether you can believe what they are saying or not?

This is the quandary the narrator of this story faces: "If she's been lying to me about the orgasms and I couldn't tell, how many other things has she lied about that I couldn't detect?" Where's the trust when faced with long-term, systematic deception?

MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR OVER FIFTY YEARS AND YES IN THE BEGINING SHE FAKED IT AND I KNEW IT IT THEN BECAME A CHALLANGE TO ME TO IMOPROVE MY LOVMAKING SO THAT SHE WOULD NOT HAVE TO FAKE IT

JAMESOFFL

Wife in this case was angry about something. You don't admit such an emotional issue without some provocation real or imagined. Whether outwardly (Conscious thought) or inwardly (Subconscious) she wanted to hurt him and she did.

His reactions are no more than afterthoughts to her.

My wife and I agreed while we were still dating not to fake orgasms to either of us. Not because we were noble but because we wanted to enjoy what we had and not spend all our efforts acting.

Regarding this focused, succinct, yet deeply psychological, story: After reading the story twice to crystallize and formulate my views on marital fakery and lies, I felt I was mainly in agreement with those comments suggesting that the wife was only dishonest in the situation described in the story. Therefore, I planned to support our various viewpoints by exception a sequence of relevant lines and statements in the first paragraphs of the story and analyzing each. As the case began building I discovered that there might be more information in the words than I had initially perceived. The more I thought about the significance of the ideas the more clearly I saw that certain aspects of the wife's attitudes and behavior toward her husband were selfish and dishonest. The way the words were written implied that these characters had existed for some time. This leads me to suggest that at some previous time the wife acceded to fakery. Having faked successfully it became easier to fake. Since hubby could be conned, a certain self pride and disrespect for the 'dupe' might have evolved. Apparently she began to realize that the thrill from dominance more than compensated for her loss of sexual pleasure. It would seem logical that she began using sex as a 'bartering chip' to maintain her dominance. This should not exist in a partnership.

The above opinion evolved from analysis of the following sequence of story quotes:

"My husband hates...chick flicks. I wanted to see...'When Harry met Sally'. He fought [my wish] but I promised him a real good time [if he gave in]."

"His little head won the argument." {Very strange editorializing ascribed to wife. Suggests she lacks respect for hubby making her superior because sexual bribery succeeded. Obviously she does not view sex as an unselfish sharing between lovers.)

"...He was rather quiet during the movie...." {Husband's quietness might suggest he was attentive to the movies' story line. It might also suggest he was pondering the movie's messages. Perhaps he was trying to understand its significance to his wife - after all she offered a bribe to get him to share it with her. From the movies’ 'faked orgasm' segment he may have become reacquainted with the idea that some 'loving' actions or responses by a partner may sometime be faked.)

"He did help with the late snack. He loaded the dishwasher and as it was the end of the day he turned it on." (The wife's statements relating the husband's evening's end activities suggests several things: the husband was not impatient to collect his 'bribe'; he was helpful domestically; he had no reason to anticipate his wife's deceit but perhaps anticipated a night of sharing. To the wife, the husband's sharing of domestic activities was noteworthy. Further, her comments do not convey anxiety, tension, or a resentment that she must now pay her dues - in short, her comments are matter-of-fact and provide no mitigating rationale for her future actions.}

"WE headed up the stairs to the bedroom." No apparent rush by either.

"I went after him to, as I had said, show him that real good time." If the syntax doesn't contain a British idiom, 'I went after him....' in the US might refer to the women coming up the stairs and into a room behind her husband. Alternatively, the phrase could describe a dispassionate 'attack' on the husband. There may even be a hint of separate his and her ‘spaces’. She might be saying she was going after him in his 'space'. Difficult to relate this ambiguous statement to the up-coming fakery.

"I did a lot" Perhaps so much so, and so dutiful was her obligation to reward him, that eventually the pleasure they should be sharing would be lost to her. It seems that this woman is not (always? ever?) emotionally committed to her matrimonial relationship and the sharing it should involve.

"...I...rode him for what seemed like forever." What a tedious duty this became for the wife.

"Finally he came." FINALLY!!! She's really into her fucking (can't call it love making on her part). I submit that '[She]...truly knew how to keep Christmas...(er...her 'loving bargain'. Sorry...needed to temper my developing ire.).'

"I faked it." goes without saying

"..."Well, well you can fake it better than Sally."

"I always thought so....” although my husband 'saw through' my act, its only his first detection. I've gotten away with all the others.

This woman reads like real women who are calculating, conceited, dominating, and selfish. In real life I would not believe she was contributor to their 'team' efforts

Well as a male I only have one comment, How do you know she is faking it? And if you are not then all is well.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Mike from Texas

This chapter had little or nothing to do with part 1. Get you shit together.

Q: "Why do women fake orgasms?"

A: "Who cares!"

not just crap but boring crap

This may be worse than actual cheating? The line of trust is just eradicated and no sense of it anymore. What can she do? I don't think anything, and drifting apart is just going to get moreso. All the kings horse and the king's men can't put that together agin

I would have no problem discussing anything as long as it is done in a respectful and honest manner. My lover knows her own body. I might have fun exploring and looking for enjoyable and sensitive spots but I'm only guessing. What purpose does it serve if I am playing with her breasts and she tells me it feels great when in reality she doesn't get much out of breast play? Knowing the truth I might still play with her breasts because I enjoy it but if I am looking to turn her on I will move elsewhere. Why is that any challenge to my ego? Point me in the right general direction and let me get to business. And if she can't orgasm all the time, OK, that's the way she is made. I think I would have problems with a woman who never had orgasms. I would think as it like a handicap and some handicaps I might be able to live with and others not. Not that I couldn't try to overcome the handicap. <br>

The real ego crusher would be having an open and honest relationship from my side and finding out that my lover was faking her sexual reactions. Exactly like this story I would wonder what else about our relationship was a lie since I could apparently not tell the difference. Suppose my lover was an expert chef and made many varied and creative recipes. Since I didn't want to her her feelings I didn't tell her that I didn't like a bunch of her dishes. "Oh, that was delicious dear. Gackkkk." Then one day I tell her the truth. You don't think her ego wouldn't be hurt? Just like us poor guys and our fragile egos? And just because I didn't like one of her dishes isn't a comment on her cooking skills. It's my personal evaluation of how the dish tastes TO ME. But since she is probably cooking to please me, to some extent, wouldn't it be more fair to be honest about my likes and dislikes? Everyone would be happier in the long run. I wouldn't have to grin and bear the meal and she could be confidant that I was enjoying it and thereby satisfying her purpose to please me. People often think of these type of deceits as "white lies" told to spare feelings. I'd rather be honest and reassure my lover's feelings rather than tell the lie. And I don't want to be lied to in return. I see a bunch of women doing this to their husbands and I always think a lot less of them when I find out.

Your tired, your back hurts, she's cum and isn't being responsive or is complaining she is getting sore or dry. After 40 years, believe me, it can and does happen. How do you know if a woman is faking it, a really intense orgasm in my wife trigger uncontrollable spasmotic contractions that I can feel and smell. Yeah, she farts after she cums.

On one side, I will say that until I actually was with a woman who regularly had orgasms, I found it rather difficult to tell if a woman was having an orgasm. In fact, I think that many women don't know what a female orgasm is, due to lack of experience. They seem to have quite a bit of variability, even with the same woman. Different stimulation leads to different response patterns.

On the other side, a female friend of mine said in high school that if she faked orgasm really well, sometimes it turned into a real orgasm.

YMMV

Green-something

My experience is that a woman will fake it if she thinks it satisfies her husband. My wife faked it with me for 35 years until I found out that she was not faking it with everyone else, men and women. She did every thing with them that she would not do with me. She worked as an RN in a hospital and later as a DON at a nursing home and her hours were always completely different than mine, which is why it took so long to find out. A lesbian, a dyke, finally convinced her to ask for a divorce which completely destroyed my finances.

Well, H20wader, after six years this is still drawing comments, so I think you succeeded in provoking discussion. The issue of faked orgasms has bugged me for many years. I didn't think much about it until a bisexual girlfriend told me that she rarely got off with guys, and didn't believe it was possible to fake an orgasm because the muscle spasms that accompany it could not be faked... I never did figure out how to get her off, but I may have been the wrong gender. At least she was honest with me.

Since that time I have figured out that there is quite a range in the intensity of muscle spasms accompanying female orgasms, and sometimes they are pretty subtle, just like male orgasms vary, so I am cautious not to jump to conclusions. I don't feel threatened when a partner doesn't get off, I just want to be sure that that is not always the case. Like many guys, i find that a large part of the thrill to making love is giving my partner pleasure.

Too often women do fake orgasms for fear of hurting the fragile male ego. I think this is self defeating. Just like a previous poster suggested that you can tell her a dress doesn't look good on her without sticking a wide load sign on her butt, it should be possible to tell us that something didn't work for her without making us feel like total failures in bed. Without truthful feedback how can we determine what works, and what doesn't? As others have commented, communication is the key.

If after 14 years of marriage a husband can't tell if his wife is fakeing a orgasm maybe he shouldn't be married. My husband knows when I'm cumming he says my pussy spasms & grips his dick & I tend to be extremely sensitive down there--we've only been together for 10years. I've never faked an orgasm with my husband, I might make a lot more noise if I'm not in the mood, I call it encouragement. I think the wife is the one that should be upset--her husband of 14 years doesn't know her body. Did the husband ever stop to think that maybe he's the problem? It sounds as if the husband either don't care if he pleases his wife or was more focused on pleasing himself. True most women fake orgasms , men cum faster then we do. Men don't need all the foreplay that we do, I like when my husband kisses me all over, it makes me hotter when he kisses, sucks & licks my "special spots" some husbands don't take the time to get the wife all fired up. It's ok for us not to really be in the mood but we love our men so much we don't deprive them of our bodies, the consequences for this is a "faked orgasm" personally I don't know why he's so upset, at least she isn't cheating. I asked my husband if he'd be upset if he found out I've been fakeing orgasms? & he said yes; because it meant our relationship was a lie & he wouldn't be able to trust me.... I guess it's a man thing... I'd probably be pissed if my husband was fakeing orgarms... I don't really know how that would be possible ...

I agree with Danger09 to a point, the problem is what if she faked it but never told him what she liked. If she faked it while he did certain thing then how would he know it wasn't working. She should have trained and shown him what she liked. But also too, I don't think any woman can cum every time.

What differents does it make if the woman fakes it or not as least she made sure you got yours. What do you do when you know that she did not get hers do you try again or say we'll try again tommorow. Everyone is not going to get off everytime be thankful when you do and when you do not ty harder the next time!!!!!!!

why do women fake an orgasm? because they think we care. or this one. what do you mean you are not done; you had the same amount of time i did.

......married what 14 years?....still can't tell me I am not doing it right or should I be thinking you don't need to tell me....then comes the whys?...ever loved me?...those nights you worked late?...the times you said I didn't need to accompany you....hey most of your business travel is voluntary....are the children even mine?.... beginning to see the scope of what needs fixing

If long term wife is caught faking her orgasm firstly she is lying to her husband. Plus most likely is lying about other more important issues in their marriage. In this story two examples of inappropriate behavior with two different men at social gatherings that others could have also witnessed and she denies any wrong doing other than the fact that a married woman had no right to do without her husband' ok. One major reason for faking it would be that she is no longer attracted to her husband and she is attracted to someone else and probably is already involved with the other guy. Lying in a marriage can easily lead to the end ot the marriage and the relationship.

Because some women are real cunts. They don't really care and just want to keep what they have.

True H20wader. So very true. From a mans point of veiw we(men) will very seldom truely know if our partner is faking it or not. There will be some women and some times, that a faked orgasim will be so truely off that one could tell. But not very often. And it a man was to constantly have that on his mind when having sex, then that man will be a sad,sad, man. We all know that to dwell on the issue will cause more problems than not. Its a vicious question that will destroy any and all relationships eventually.

The women that belittle a desire to please them as an insecurity are either brain dead or so brainwashed they can't see past their own nose. They really need to date selfish assholes who don't care if the woman gets off. That would make it easier on everyone.

If you have a genuinely loving and trusting relationship there is no fakery. I pay attention to my partner's pleasure and make it a focus of our times together. She orgasms. And if you're being lied to about such an intimate thing then the whole thing is wrong. Just saying, like I know anything.

There are lots of times we don’t tell the truth. You want to go to a car show, she not much interested, but really wants to go for a ride along for company

And she says she’d love to go😃. She probably miss lead him lied to him☹️.

1.she Really isn’t interested in sex tonight, but goes along and orgasms. By not telling him she wasn’t interested, was she lying about wanting sex?

2. Same thing, she isn’t interested, but goes along, they’re having active foreplay, he comes she knows she won’t, After he cums, what?

Tell him she really didn’t want sex in the first place

Tell him he didn’t do it for her and good night

Or enjoyed the forplay had a nice time& fake an orgasm so as to give her husband pleasure and goes to sleep

Another example:

When you are dressed up to go out, you ask how do I look? she says:

Like a fat man in too small a suit. (True)

Or you look fine, but we need to get you a new suit (also true)

I wish you had developed it further

Women AND men fake it. Some women fake orgasms but love the rest of it. Some women fake some orgasms to let their partners think they're satisfied and that they can stop. Some women have never had an orgasm. Some don't know if they have.

I have faked orgasms. Not while getting a blowjob, of course, but while fucking. I learned early on that women can't always tell when you ejaculate. I asked girlfriends to tell me when I came. Since I could come three or four times in a row in my 20s, I would just continue to pump away after I came, suppressing all my usual responses to an orgasm. They didn't know that I'd come. I'd also fake it by speeding up, breathing harder, moaning and groaning, then going limp. None of the women knew until I told them or they found my cum leaking from themselves when they they thought I had not come.

I faked orgasms for the same reasons I think women do. I couldn't come (or come again, in some cases) but I wanted my partner to think I had so she felt she had pleased me, because she had in other ways. But there were times when I didn't fake it when I didn't come, maybe to be honest, maybe to let her know that what we done wasn't doing it for me, maybe even to withhold that satisfaction from her.

Some women say that men make too much of orgasm, that the intimacy of lovemaking should be appreciated for itself. Of course these are usually women who don't orgasm easily or who have partners who are inept.

In my early 30s, I had a new girlfriend, who was very hot -- and hot to trot. Our first night together, after an hour or so of pretty intense oral and PIV sex, I asked her she had come. "Oh, yeah. Lots of times." Was her answer. But my thought was, "I don't think she did." So, the following night, I decided she would. She seemed to like oral better than vaginal (as many women do), so I went down on her, paying close attention to what seemed to getting her going. We would get her built up and close, but then it would slip away. We got close perhaps a dozen times. She once suggested I stop, that she was happy. But I kept going and finally, after about an hour and 50 minutes (I could see her bedside clock), we got there. Her orgasm was pretty big, and she dissolved into tears. She was an attractive woman in her 30s, had been married twice and had other lovers. She had always enjoyed and been satisfied by sex, but that was her first orgasm. After that, she was REALLY hot for sex, wanting it any time we were together. It always took a long time (over 30 minutes) to make her come, and always by concentrated oral attention to her clit, but I learned what she needed so it no longer required over on hour, and a sore back, neck and tongue. However, she was equally enthusiastic about a quickly where she didn't come, or just sucking me off quickly.

Not too long after that, I had another partner who had rarely had orgasms, like two or three in the 15 years she had been sexually active, who also started coming more often and more reliably when I learned exactly how she like me to eat her pussy. She never faked it, so there were times when we were both disappointed.

More recently, I had a girlfriend in her 60s, who said her goal was to "stay fuckable," (I.e., attractive), and was very successful at it. She told me before we got intimate that she had her best orgasms from fucking. When we did get together, I discovered she had the largest clit I'd ever, er, come across. I spent some time worshipping it, and she had a fairly impressive orgasm, more dramatic than from fucking, it seemed to me. "I guess I've never actually come that way before," she told me afterwards, "It was so intense!"

Faking an orgasm occasionally isn't a problem, but if you do it too often, you prevent your partner from learning how to please you fully, even if you think they have.

...don’t care if they’re faking it or not!!!

I never even think whether or not my woman orgasms never asked. I've never had any complaints. I did go with a woman who told me she had had a lot of lovers and one night I know for a fact she came, it was a flood and she got so loose I could not feel her anymore. Later she told me that was the only time she had ever gotten off by just fucking. At the time I was shocked and told her I didn't believe her. She said there were other ways to get off and that she was giving me a complement.

She's caught and she can't fix it.

I Can’t believe you cut such a great story with great potential so short.