All Comments on 'Three Square Meals Ch. 047'

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ShaggyDogStoryShaggyDogStory3 months ago

I've said my piece about endless snacks, naps, and shags.

Now the science. A feature of the science throughout this series seems to be 'rule of cool'.

E.g. making a meal of DNA analysis when tbh it's not particularly difficult to do simple analysis of sequence data today. Unless computer science has regressed in the 28th century?

Why have a triple helix, which would completely mess with the transcription and translation of DNA > mRNA > proteins, when another chromosome would do, or a special organelle (psychochondria?).

Working out naturally occurring v edited DNA requires a reference. Not sure where Rachel has those? The Terran Federation strangely has no genomic records of any other species, which seems bizarre.

I liked the observation that the Drakkar genome was constructed a long time ago because of accumulated point mutations, which is how real geneticists discern the 'molecular clock' of a sequence, though again, based on what reference?

An A type star (they last around 1 billion years) with four habitable planets (a process that takes two billion years plus). There's a reason the search for extrasolar life is aimed at yellow and red stars - they last long enough to have a chance of having evolved it.

Yes, the planets could be terraformed, but a 28th century space traveller would know this, just as 21th century amateur astronomers do. This would have allowed them to catch the Matriarch in a lie.

It's better to invent new terms (see Star Trek's handy tachyon particles to fill any plot requirement) than mishandle real ones.

ranec1ranec19 months ago
WHERE IS IT!!

patiently waiting for the yellow N

Michael56SmithMichael56Smith10 months ago

... and how long before John asks Dana for some Anti Progenitor Dreadnaught weapons, especially any that could be mounted on a smaller / fast ship like a Dreadnaught Destroyer, ... you just know Dana will come up with something(s), ... just give her some time, .... ;-) ttfn

Michael56SmithMichael56Smith11 months ago

John's girls are all pretty wonderful, especially Dana and Jade, ... but all the others are close, ... and now Edraele is sending the only blood relation that she can trust (a lie, or a partial lie) to travel on the Invictus with the Mael'nerak (John) to the Trankaran Republic, ... and the travel there and back will take many weeks, ... Will the wonderful Auburn tressed Dana space the ill-mannered Blue Bitch before they get back? The next few chapters should interesting, .... ;-) ttfn

AnonymousAnonymous11 months ago

All the girls are great, but I especially love Dana. Shells got a ton of hutzpah!

ranec1ranec112 months ago
Mean As!!

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

*Dana says, and I quote, 'I don't want that crazy bitch on my ship!'

Jackspeed2uJackspeed2uabout 1 year ago

Park the raptor on the roof of the palace and set the core to overload. Annihilation in an instant over a huge huge area. Or do what comes later in the story. Park the raptor a bit away from the palace and disengage the hyper warp safties for gravity wells and enter max warp and ram the palace and that is even more damage than a core breach…. I believe it’s 1/2 mV2 it doesn’t matter what the mass is when the velocity is being squared and it’s in meters per second and hyperwarp is hundreds of times the speed of light. So delivering all those joules to a point, it’s beyond nuclear explosion energy levels by factors of a billion ( if you do the maths) that type of energy levels instantly released you’ll break the chemical bonds of elements in the target making a atomic soup, the heat would instantly strip all the electrons making it a charged atomic nuclei soup unbelievably chemically reactive, however the energy levels would shatter the nuclei causing a nuclear explosion on scales never even imagined, then the protons and neutrons would have the weak and strong nuclear forces over powered and be reduced to up and down quarks. A total energy release shit show that in real life has energy levels enough to destroy a planet (see Scott Manley YouTube video). But in the TSM world the energy from hyperwarp collisions is just a bit more than a core breach.

The ultimate APD weapon (anti progenitor dreadnought) is a hyperwarp generator powered by a core which is nuclear fusion by the way and a targeting computer. Then package that up in any shape even a big enough cardboard shoe box will do and hyperwarp them at the drednought the energy release would overwhelm the shields and the impact would shake the ship to destruction and then vapourish it. Since it’s faster than light by hundreds of times there is no dodging and your hit BEFORE YOU SEE the weapon ( that’s causality problems here with effect before the cause) so your fucked and by fucked I mean your quarks. Not even atoms way beyond vaporised and not even energy. You don’t even have mass anymore since 99.99999% of mass comes from the binding force between the quarks in an atom ant the other basically nothing comes from the reduced Higgs field. But since your quarks aren’t bound you have no mass…. Are free quarks free to do anything anything at all. Free to form a diamond! Or dog shit. Equally probable but it’s protons that you’ll form with no electrons so you are now hydrogen plasma soup. Give it billions of years and since you have mass again gravity will pull you towards something maybe more hydrogen and then you’ll be a nebula then a proto star then a planetary disk then a star with planetoids then a star with planets!

Yeah so hyperwarp weapons…. The TSM world equivalent of wormhole weapons.

texstertexsterabout 1 year ago
Errors and more

I didn’t see it mentioned in the previous 121 comments, but in Racheal’s buggery debut, there are several tense errors (for example: “but our newest recruit wants to experience being taking…” when it should have been “but our newest recruit wants to experience being TAKEN). You’ll want to proof that whole passage because there are several errors in there.

No one has mentioned the crown that Alyssa saw when she spirit-walked - does that mean John is the king of the progens, or do all progens have crowns in Spirit world

If $$ is no object for the Maliri matriarchs, she should have funded the rest of the purchase price (and John the Trader should know to ask)

Ravey19Ravey19over 1 year ago

This is sci-fi but not as you know it. Still going along strong and I'm really enjoying thus tale and ignoring any suspension of knowledge or beliefs that may be required. Still 5 from me.

skippersdadskippersdadover 1 year ago

Still doing great, very mind blowing.

AnonymousAnonymousover 1 year ago

Love the sex and worldbuilding, but it's painful to have a story center on a protagonist who is quite possibly the dumbest person alive.

Jackspeed2uJackspeed2uover 1 year ago

And the bullshit with the guide and John’s patheticness begins. Sure it’s a good story arc to introduce his differences but it goes on so long, a 120 chapters more and still going. John just looks pathetic and then there are the endless times they are pulled into the ether and that goes on too long as well making him more pathetic. The stupid thing is that the ether dreams are solved using deus ex machina, so that could have been pulled out at any time. And the progenitor John is simply solved by saying he’s going to take him over and a quick mind fight later and it’s done. That also could have been done at any time as no special circumstances needed to happen. So John winged complained and was useless pathetic for a hundred chapters too many.

All this type of shit is solved during a story edit with the editor saying “WTF”. The the author fixes it long before we see it. Sure this story is edited but not in the true sense since it’s a serial story and the story itself can’t be touched in retrospect and future story hasn’t been thought of yet. Still I love the story and I’m rereading it now again. I just skip the meaningless sex, the trips to the mind world stuff and John crying about changing the women. Chapter 155 and John is still crying about changing the girls. They are immortal so if he didn’t change them he would kill them eventually.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 2 years ago

In orbit around Albali, a class 'A' blue-white star, ... The Epsilon-Aquarii system had four habitable planets in it, along with two large gas giants. Each of the worlds looked lush and verdant, and their flight path was taking them to the second planet, which was named Valaden. So, this bright, blue-white star has a huge 'Goldilocks' zone for habitable worlds, compared to our star, a middling yellow dwarf, with Terra in the middle of our own 'Goldilocks' zone, and Venus and Mars, just outside it. Possible, because of a Progenitor (Mael'nerak - tens of Millennia ago) manipulation of the star system, and a somewhat crazy, but lovable Author's say so, ... ;-) TTFN

Jackspeed2uJackspeed2ualmost 2 years ago

You can’t have 4 planets around the same star being habital. Habital as we define it is the presence of liquid water. Now the sun type and size and luminosity doesn’t matter as that just sets it’s radiance at its surface. Then that radiance decreases with the inverse square law, twice as far out has one quarter the energy. So at some point you reach the distance where liquid water exists and that’s a narrow band. Venus isn’t in it and mars isn’t in it. Venus I think has gaseous water and that’s the most powerful greenhouse gas there is. Mars has solid water. Venus is 500°c and mars is -100°c. If we can’t get 3 habital planets in a row how can you get 4?

You just can’t. We get 1000 watts of heat energy at midday in full sun at the equator per square meter provided by the sun. Now energy from the sun decreases via the inverse square law, so you can see how it would drop off pretty fat as you go out and also how you would get heaps more pretty fast as you travelled in.

So to just get 2 habital planets right at each edge of the habital zone would be pretty tricky and lucky. However while liquid water would exist by definition one planet would be hot as fuck and the other cold as fuck. No rainforests and varied natural ecosystems. You’d have just one eco system hanging on around the edges of water on the hot planet and exactly the same on the cold planet.

caveman21936caveman21936almost 2 years ago

Sorry, the series is good, but these chapters are hard to get past. Edraele and Irillith remind me too much of real-life people in my past. I admit that my dislike of these chapters is emotional, not rational. What should a smarter John have done? Refused to have anything more to do with the Maliri, who have already manipulated him multiple times and endangered his family. Nothing is worse risking that again from proven enemies. He should have outright refused to do any more of their dirty work or to allow any of them aboard his ship. He should have left Maliri space and never returned.

laughdruidlaughdruidabout 2 years ago

I guess John was not paying attension when Elraele said that Lrillith was quite the hacker, so he allowed her on his ship.

laughdruidlaughdruidabout 2 years ago

Sorry only 3 stars, John is dumber than a box of rocks. How can he claim to love these girls and place their lives in so much danger? I love how well the story is written though.

Michael56SmithMichael56Smithover 2 years ago

The visit into Maliri space, stopping at Epsilon-Aquarii and the home-world of the Valaden Matriarchy, Valaden, was enchanting. The vistas of mountains, seas, and cities were all quite good! Then John bravely (reference the word Stupid in your Funk and Wagnall) goes forth into the spiders' web, but luckily it is with his trusty sidekick, Alyssa, who manages to save the day. This scene was useful in the story progression, but if Tef would have been working with a Story Editor, then that scene would have been massively rewritten into something more believable. John is an ex-marine for gosh sakes! ... but besides that, I really enjoyed this chapter, thank you Tef!!! ;-) TTFN

AnonymousAnonymousover 2 years ago

Mysteries and unknowns. Snakes, deception and traps. Warnings ignored and consequences paid. Ghosts and psychic obliteration.

This story is GOLD. 5 🌟

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 3 years ago

Lol, John it's like John has zero IQ and zero self preservation instinct in these few chapters :D And for all the love and care for his girls, he just casually took them into hostile territory with no protections or intel.

I can practically see mc glass eyed and drooling in my minds eye.

AnonymousAnonymousabout 3 years ago
Great Chapter

Its unbelievable that John casually walked into the lair of the snake after being warned and tricked to committing a genocide. I guess ejaculating multiple times everyday is taking its toll on his wits.

AnonymousAnonymousover 3 years ago

Captivating the way Tefler paints the scenery. Appreciate being able to "see" the forrests, mountains, vista and characters in this epic. Well written.

ramblin2020ramblin2020almost 4 years ago

I love the progression. I won't lie and say I didn't expect Irillith to become part of the crew (assuming my guess in that direction is right) but do love the way you've developed some empathy for her before introducing her mother. I love hating arrogant people who are unnecessarily cruel and dismissive of those with less power. She makes a nice addition to the Invictus' enemies. As it goes, "may all their enemies die screaming."

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 4 years ago
Space is so HUGE

You have written ",.. the Invictus arrived at the final system of it's route,.." and you also very often imply the ship moves through instead of around or past star systems. This is not consistent with your sci fi premise of a FTL hyperdrive that only works in the flatness between stars, but is 'rip the ship apart' dangerous to use inside a gravity well, like your Interdictor tech to drop a spaceship out of FTL travel. Outer Space is not a bunch of neighborhood backyards with star systems right next to each other (mostly), there is a great deal of EMPTY between the stars ( light years worth ). If you ever do a rewrite of your wonderful story ( to publish in book form hopefully ) this is one area you MUST redress; mostly easy fixes like 'around' to replace 'through' a system would take care of a large part of it. Thank you for a spectacular storyline, I just love it! More please!

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 4 years ago
Epic

The punches just keep coming. And i can't stay away.

You related to Marvelous Marvin Hagler??

taco1085taco1085about 5 years ago
wow

what a bitch, Irillith needs rode hard and treated a lesson, Edreal really needs to be brought down a few pegs.. she is treading on thin ice and Alyssa's going to kick her ass again and she will not like it and wet her pants...

Horseman68Horseman68over 5 years ago
Great Chapter.

And here enters Edraele et. al. into their world.

AnonymousAnonymousabout 6 years ago
A question

They’ve not had an experienced hacker try to get into their systems that they know of. However, they don’t have that expertise. So, 1) if Irillith does hack them, which is highly likely, she may find someone else has put spyware into their systems. 2) Irillith's skill in this area will be demonstrated, adding to John’s need to have this looked after... and hey! Here’s a sexy blue chick specially engineered for his use!! 3) Rachel can map the extent that Johns cum alters the psychology of the girls he takes.

TeflerTeflerabout 6 years agoAuthor

"I simply don't understand why..."

All will be explained in the upcoming chapters. ;-)

AnonymousAnonymousabout 6 years ago
What are you doing?

Your characters have went from intelligent and perceptive to idiots ever since they left for this area.

I simply don't understand why...

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 7 years ago
Excellent

Just gets better and better. Loving it! Thank you. Dawn

Horseman68Horseman68about 7 years ago
Complexity Grows More Complex.

Mind tingling chapter for this story. 🚀

maddictmaddictalmost 8 years ago

Maliri women travel in packs, Johns women are a pack as well. Are they heading to the bathroom. hahaha. So if the progenitors once ruled the maliri, john should have some control over Edraele and Irillith ?

Good chapter.

Dont_miss_meDont_miss_mealmost 8 years ago

i'm going to resist a HUGE urge to make a joke about living in the parent's basement...

Only thing I'd like to see different is Alyssa stomping a mud hole in Edraele and walking it dry.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Do not conflate

The ground under our feet counters gravity but it uses electrostatic force. That does not equal antigravity. It still keeps the world from collapsing and pulling us into a singularity.

Orbital velocity keeps Earth from falling into the sun. That is kinetic energy and that is also not antigravity.

Magnetic force is also not antigravity.

Quantum physics can do crazy stuff.

Gravity can do crazy stuff.

Quantum physics and Gravitational theory are still unreconciled, in fact unification of those scales into a single theory is the holy grail of physics.

Best guess is that you need more dimensions to define reality and how many dimensions is a great question. You get weird players like surfers doing math that delivers a Buddhist mandala looking depiction of reality.

You get nutcases like me that do six dimensional sudokus as an exercise in how to reconcile intersecting sets. 9x9x9x9x9x9 means I automate most of the solution because no time for filling almost a half million matrix cells. Interesting fact but you need to use the larger set type like hex sudokus to solve logically in more than 6 dimensions. I want you to ask yourself why solving seven, eight, and nine dimensional sudokus of a nine element set are strange games. As a hint; count the constraints required. 2d imposes constraints of membership in 3 intersecting sets per matrix cell. 3d imposes 6. 4d has 7constraints because it is only a non congruent set of 9 x 3d sudokus.

By seven dimensions you have too many constraints and you need to solve by including some imaginary number factors. Fuck that most days.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Jedi

"As for you PussyLickersRus, gravity and magnetism are two very different forces."

Well, yes and no. At the Quantum Space/Time level those distinctions tend to blur. There are several theories out there that have promise in explaining Quantum Space/Time and some of those theories make no distinction between magnetic and gravitational forces…again, we are talking Quantum level stuff here where regular laws of Physics just do not apply.

At the Quantum level, energy is energy, whether it be a magnetic field or wave or gravitational energy or wave. Or a particle that changes state at any given instant between a particle or energy wave. Indeed: At the Quantum level, items can exist in more than one place at a time...including gravity, light, or particles.

The latest research on Gravitons suggests gravity, while a function of mass, is not fully explained by mass at the Quantum level. http://www.livescience.com/50119-superconductors-physicists-gravity-particles.html. Antigravity is one of the cutting edges of physics and is deemed so important that NASA has research projects devoted to it.

"You can't counteract gravity unless you have enough speed to escape it."

Superconductors have been shown to be able to counteract gravity and literally float over a plate. Superconductors are mostly non-metallic ceramics which are not normally susceptible to magnetism. Magnetic rail trains defy gravity all the time for a near frictionless propulsion system…even when standing still. Defying gravity is really pretty easy…as mentioned, antigravity is the cutting edge today.

"So you could potentially create a massive magnetic field, but it would be incredibly weak unless you pumped crazy amounts of energy into it, likely many times that of what the Invictus could generate."

Well, not if you could control gravitons. We have evidence they exist, just not proof yet. Kind of like air was back in the day. And it is this control of gravitons that allows a black ship, like the one in Ashanath space, create a worm hole to fold space and would allow a Terran Naval Vessel to have singularity drivers. Since the story already has these in it, why are we creating an issue now about being able to control magnetics and gravity? (By the way, magnetics would not deflect a non-metallic projectile...it would have to be antigravity...if we are being picky).

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
A theory of shields

If you can manipulate some particulate matter or photons at a quantum level...

Create them with massive quanta absorptions.

Give them a spatial reference fix.

It is an exaggerated aerogel almost.

The massive quanta would give them huge relative inertia so that their spatial fix by the shield emitters is almost an inherent property. Think of them as having a huge liquid tension and wrapping around the ship like a bubble.

Their massive quanta absorptions would mean that they are energy sponges.

You might create something along these lines with a resonant photon pseudoparticle.

You have to have quantum dimensional folds linking somewhere close but separate and a depletable mass that is expended to generate your shield pseudoparticle photons.

It already more than approximates bullshit so there is not much point in talking about bubbles of negative space, and how inertial damping that prevents everyone going squishy during space travel are related or alternate types of tech.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Funny

For the first time I find myself reading along...no idea how new this story is, and I hit the end!

I read in the comments that the next chapter may be available this very morning, this is getting close to real time story telling.

This story has really drawn me in, I am enjoying it very much. Thank you.

Jedi_KhanJedi_Khanalmost 8 years ago
@Hungry and Pussy

Shield technology is something that is not very well understood, since it is mostly the realm of Sci-Fi. Real science has been trying to work out the mechanics, but has for the most part not been successful. One theory is that any shield that stops laser energy will inevitably block all frequencies of light in order to function properly, leaving you with a blind ship, something that is conveniently ignored by most Sci-Fi stories. The other theory is that the shields are plasma based, with plasma being the fourth state of matter (solid, liquid, gas, then plasma). Since plasma is created from superheated gas, you would effectively be wrapping your ship in a cocoon of super hot material, which could potentially block both light and physical objects, again leaving you with a blind ship and possibly melting your hull.

There's also the issue of how do you generate the shield? If it's plasma based, you would need the material to create the plasma, and then some way of keeping it in place around your ship enough to protect but not melt you. Science theorizes that you would use a magnetic field to contain the plasma, so that is where the conflict with generating an additional magnetic field on top of the ship's shielding comes into play.

Star Wars has sort of worked around this issue in that there are two types of shields that work independently of each other: particle and ray shielding. Particle shields reportedly use less power than ray shields and are designed to stop physical objects travelling at sub-light speed; ships use particle shields to protect their hulls from the various bit of debris that floats around in space, although hit the shields hard enough and it'll overload. Ray shields require more power and are on-demand sort of things. They are meant to stop energy based attacks but will allow physical objects through. Whenever you hear someone in Star Wars say "angle the deflectors" that's ray shielding.

As for you PussyLickersRus, gravity and magnetism are two very different forces. Magnetism is quite powerful, but over a very limited range, and only affects that which is susceptible to magnetism; there are a number of materials such as wood, plastic, and some metals that magnets have no affect on, and it can be countered by another magnetic field. Gravity, however, is comparatively weak, but has a much greater range and affects everything. There is nothing that cannot be affected by gravity, and if you tried to counter gravity with another gravity field, they'd simply pull each other together; you can't counteract gravity unless you have enough speed to escape it.

Magnetism is generated by alternating electrical currents, or in the case of planets, a rotating molten core, whereas gravity is simply an aspect of mass. All mass has gravity, even your PC has gravity, but it is very weak. If you want to increase the strength of either magnetism or gravity, you have to add more of their respective source; energy for magnetism and mass for gravity. It's not until you get to the planetary scale of mass that you start to notice the affects of gravity, whereas magnetism can be seen in something as low power as a fridge magnet.

In reference to a planet's magnetic field, yes it does cover a very large area, but it is extremely weak, even more so than a fridge magnet. Earth's magnet field, for example, has been measured at about 0.25 to 0.65 gauss (gauss being the unit of measure for magnetism). A strong fridge magnet clocks in at around 100 gauss. So you could potentially create a massive magnetic field, but it would be incredibly weak unless you pumped crazy amounts of energy into it, likely many times that of what the Invictus could generate.

In order for them to generate an appreciable gravity well, they would need to have mass equal to that of a moon or planet. Again, something the Invictus simply does not have. When it comes to the black ship's wormhole drive and the Terran's singularity gun, those are completely in the realm of Sci-Fi and operate on principles that are unknown to us.

As for your idea of ignoring planetary gravity wells for going into warp, that it probably more of a safety mechanism than an actual hard limitation. If you hit a planet, it doesn't matter if you're going sub-light or FTL, you're going to have a bad day, so the FTL drives likely have a safety feature built in that will prevent FTL while within a certain range of a gravity well, since those are usually created by planets. Interdictors likely work by somehow simulating a gravity well's shadow or otherwise tricking an FTL drive into thinking that there is suddenly a planet in the way. The way to ignore the limitation of a gravity well or interdictor is to simply disable the safety, but then you run the risk of smacking into an actual planet or star that's uncharted.

slinkkyslinkkyalmost 8 years ago
Shields

It's a little bit funny seeing all these hard science comments from the same people who are now talking about the ship's "shields" since WTF is a ship's shield? Is it magnetic? Is it gravitic? Is it a manipulation of the strong and weak force?

Perhaps the reason that Dana isn't using magnetics to improve our anti-laser defense is because that is a part of what these mysterious "shields" actually do!

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: not again

Don't worry, chapter 48 should answer your questions.

wanagethighwanagethighalmost 8 years ago
not again

man why after 43 great chapters are u making john in to some one who keeps making horrible choices its getting so frustrating to see him keep doing the same stupid shit over and over and hes just like ooo whell im a puts u can keep pushing around and please manipulate me dont worrie ill just sit here and take it and not punish u i mean really u had him commit geniside and he was like grr all u get is a strong talking to man... Where is the john of old where he had values and wanted to do the right thing the last chapter 4 doesnt even feal like the same chacter where is BAD ASS john im tyerd of seeing Pussy little john ok rand over

love the story u have a very creative mind and hope john wake up soon as always a soled 4 stars

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Update on chapter 48

It's been through the first round of moderation, which took a little while, probably because of the 4th July celebrations.

I expect Chapter 48 will be up tomorrow morning.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
OOps

The black ship was in Ashanath space, my bad.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Hello Hungry and Jedi

I was also thinking manipulating such a massive magnetic field (it being lines of force that create gravimetric fields on a planetary level) could also affect the gravity well of the ship and/or affect or negate solar system or planetary gravity wells and allow them to go into hyperwarp from pretty much anywhere.

As most here may know, gravity is a function of mass and is caused by the combined atomic and (we are coming to believe) sub-atomic or Quantum space which is full of charged particles such as electrons (and even smaller forces). This is why, even though your hand and a tree are actually mostly empty space (until we began to recognize Quantum space in which the laws of Physics as we currently understand them do not apply) you cannot just move your hand through the trunk. The collective attractive force of the sub-atomic structures of your hand and of the tree prevent it at a subatomic level. Indeed, it can be said that your hand never actually touches the tree at all, because the repulsive forces of your hand and of the tree interact to prevent such a true 'touching'. What you are really feeling is the sum of the sub-atomic repulsive forces. These repulsive forces, on a macro scale (your hand or the tree in this case in respect to the sub-atomic particles) are EXTREMELY powerful and will cause deformity of any object before an actual collision could occur (a scrape or contusion or even broken bones should you attempt to hit a tree trunk).

So, if you can project the power of those forces using Quantum mechanics, you could actually change the flight path of a planet, sun, or even an entire solar system, given enough energy. If shields are already doing this against mass drivers or cannon shells, then the energy issue is irrelevant. By the same token, and using much less energy, you could counteract the effect of planetary gravity wells on your ship or redirect the mass of shells coming at you. Redirecting those shells does not take that much energy, the speed of the shell is not the issue, it is the mass of the shell. That mass will move in the form of an arc if acted upon by a projected gravity well, following a path like the curve of a planet or basketball.

ALL energy forms (mass being one of them) are affected by that gravity well. Can you imagine the effect of projecting a strong gravity well into the command center of a spaceship? Instant incapacitation of the ship AND death to any living thing in the vicinity.

Before you say this is all preposterous and beyond the scope of this story, I remind you of two instances in this story where that is already being done:

First: the mysterious black ship that was with the pirates at their main base that seemed to disappear into an event horizon. THAT is one of the applications of being able to project a gravity well...the creation of a Worm Hole.

Second: the dreadnought class ship at Olympus shipyard which had singularity drivers instead of mass drivers. THAT is another application of projecting a gravity well towards a known target.

Hungry_ReaderHungry_Readeralmost 8 years ago
Re: Magnetic Field for the Invictus

Jedi_Khan, I do like and agree, for the most part, with your ideas on magnetism for the Invictus; however, I must disagree with you on one point. Whereas you feel shields are enough to deal with kinetic projectiles, I feel they are not. My hypothesis on the matter is that protection using the magnetic fields IS needed.

Why? I'd like to say that the shields of a craft are more intended to stop energy weapons and keeping the mass drivers from penetrating the hull is simply a bonus. If you need to recharge the shields after they take a pounding then this would imply, to me, that energy is being used to protect the vessel. What are laser weapons? Energy weapons. Plenty of ships here seem to favor using energy weapons over kinetic...unless I've managed to forget something. More specifically, I'm willing to bet that the lasers here are light based weapons since the use of focusing crystals are mentioned in the story, I believe. Probably works the same way a magnifying glass works with sunlight...only on a larger scale. Much larger.

This brings us back to kinetic weapons and shields. If shields are using energy to protect the ship then they'd most likely not be intended for kinetic weapons. "But it has been mentioned shields are enough to stop the mass drivers." Fair point but, like I said, they only stop the shells from penetrating the ship's hull. That doesn't mean the hull doesn't take any damage. It'd still take some from the impact of the shell although an explosion occurring in space is a wasted explosion since they don't work so well in vacuums. So if the hull does take damage then consecutive shots to the same area may end up penetrating the hull at some point. But why is the shield stopping a shell meant to penetrating a hull if it's meant for energy weapons? My hypothesis here is that either the shields: 1) may actually generate a weak magnetic field that does manage to slightly tamper the mass driver's shells enough to keep them from penetrating, 2)since we're dealing with energy that burns the shields may burn away some of the shells and let the hull withstand the impact intact, or 3) it works like an extra, but thin, protective layer that somehow reduces the inertia of the kinetic weapons projectile enough that the hull can withstand it; like holding a sheet of plastic wrap in front of you and then have people throw sharp rocks (kinetic projectiles) and water (lasers) at you.

Jedi_KhanJedi_Khanalmost 8 years ago
Re: Magnetic field for the Invictus

Yeah, there really isn't much need for the Invictus to have a magnetic field to protect it from kinetic weapons when it already has shields that do the same. I believe it was noted in an earlier chapter that the mass drivers are normally only good against unshielded targets. Plus that pirate cruiser with it's cannons really did a number on the shields, but that means the shields did protect against those relatively well. Keep in mind, this was before all the upgrades that have been done.

Although, that doesn't mean Dana can't find some way to incorporate magnetism into the ship's defense. Perhaps she could magnetize the armor plating? It's not a field per say, as the magnetism wouldn't extend more than an inch or two beyond the surface of the armor, but it could help with improving the structural integrity of the armor, increasing it's resistance to impact damage. It would also increase the chance of reflecting laser/beam weapons too. Of course, it would make sense that the magnetism would conflict with the shield harmonics if the shield hugged the lines of the Invictus rather than forming a bubble around it. Maybe it could be set up that the magnetic reinforcement kicks in only if the shields go down or are offline, that way there's little to no conflict with the shields?

Another idea is that Dana could create some type of magnetic shield to use inside the ship, possibly as a way to create barriers and seal off sections in the event of another hostile boarding. Or barring the use of magnetism, she could just create some relays that funnel off some of the excess power of the ship's shields to use as barriers. It's not like they don't have power to spare from that silly power core of theirs.

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
I don't mind at all

It's interesting to read people's speculation on the story arcs. :-)

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Tefler

Thanks for the feedback, but not necessary....I LOVE YOUR story, just throwing out stuff that seems a bit interesting to me as side-bars. Hope you don't mind.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
As for evidence of my suppositions: Read critically these passages from Edreale

Edraele staggered back to her bedroom, and collapsed on her bed, fumbling blindly for the medication that she kept by her bedside. She pressed the dispenser to her temple, then clicked the button, and almost instantly the familiar soothing waves of pain-relief cascaded over her. She lay perfectly still, not wanting to move a muscle until the medication had run its course.

She shivered as she recalled the sheer amount of raw power that girl had commanded, feeling real fear for the first time in more decades than she cared to count. Edraele thought back to Irillith's desperate words of caution, and with disturbing clarity, now began to realise just what might have frightened her daughter so badly. Still, there were much more important things at stake now, and after that little encounter she was more resolved than ever.

For the first time in well over a century, she felt a slight pang of regret over her actions. If she hadn't had Tashana banished, she might have been able to offer some valuable insight into this current predicament.

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Magnetic deflectors on the Invictus

"Dana has given the body armor a magnetic field generator so they deflect small arms (kenetic) fire. Why has she NOT scaled that up to do the same for the Invictus to increase their survivability against mass drivers?"

She looked into it, but sadly the magnetic fields disrupted the shield harmonics. It was therefore an either/or, and the shields were a better option.

Actually I didn't think of It, but it's a good idea. ;-)

It would work well against conventional munitions, like the heavy cannons that were mounted on that pirate heavy cruiser.The Mass Drivers accelerate shells to hyper-warp velocity though, so a field powerful enough to deflect those would have to be insanely powerful.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
AND

such a gravity well could be used as a weapon to implode an enemy ship or rip apart parts of the ship if the Invictus were to jump while close to the enemy in little 'pop' jumps where they pop in and pop out before an enemy could set up their defense grid and react?

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
LOLs at my ands

AND projecting the center of such a gravity well could influence or redirect laser, fire, mass drivers, plasma weapons, and SINGULARITY drivers.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Such a magnetic field

would also tend to work against laser weaponry as it is susceptible to redirection due to magnetic fields.

Such tech could also possibly substantially increase the gravity well of the Invictus, keeping others from escaping into hyperwarp, or allow the Invictus to counter any nearby gravity wells so they could jump into hyperwarp from anywhere they pleased...including drydock...though that could cause some disastrous counter effects to the drydock.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Teffler!

A quick question? Ummm....Dana has given the body armor a magnetic field generator so they deflect small arms (kenetic) fire. Why has she NOT scaled that up to do the same for the Invictus to increase their survivability against mass drivers?

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
so they don't allow post editing...another final and.....

Edraele MAY have told Irillith to JOIN or make herself invaluable to the crew of the Invictus to attempt to manipulate John into fighting this battle with the upcoming Mael-Nereck for them, she cannot know he is already motivated to that end. Also, she cannot know what John's semen will do to Irillith. If it cums to that (sorry for the pun, just couldn't let that one 'slide'), Irillith will just give John the tech for the lasers. In any event, Edraele gets exactly what she wants, John gets what he wants, and, by the time this is over, the Maliri and John are in alliance, whether they like each other or not.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
and on a final note

Did Edraele banish her because of the threat she represented?

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
AND

Don't forget the offer of the Ashanath to have Dana join their Tech school as a teacher. They are having problems unlocking the Progen tech they are guarding.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
also:

The Maliri are building up to a war footing: (Huge and mostly unused space station, a push to have more children (admittedly that is a thinly supported supposition), the desperation of Edraele.

The one thing that might be off is the stolen tech by the Ashanath starting this whole story, it might actually be because of the loss of John's mother.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
One of the many anons (still can't understand why some post anon).

You said, "I think we can ALL agree that Edraele is a bitch and I think she has had plenty of involvement with progens in the past given that she knew about the mind shield and admitting that she knew progens jelously guard their tech."

Your conclusion about Edraele having involvement with progens in the past is erroneous. In Edraele's own thoughts after the encounter, she regretted banishing the one person she knew who had that intimate knowledge (a bit of foreshadowing there folks, go back and read it).

As for Edraele's motivations: Why does she have such a powerful pain reliever by her bedside? Why did she send Irillith with John to get the engine tech? These are important questions, and the answers will push this story into the future.

Let's look at the big picture that has been painted so far: Progen re-expansion into the region, the mental attacks on John (he is the ONLY real threat), and the need for Edraele to get the engine tech to meet the coming threat she sees. And let's not forget the spark the Ashanath ignited when they took Progen tech (the ONE direct insight we have from an early chapter where a Progen thinks, "They will pay! They will ALL pay"!).

Frankly I am a bit amazed many readers have not put this all together yet.

Hiding_in_PortlandHiding_in_Portlandalmost 8 years ago
Well done.

I love how much of a cult following this story has. It's pretty entertaining to read the comments a day or two after the story comes out.

slinkkyslinkkyalmost 8 years ago
Re: John was a trader

> "without any sort of payment up front?"

It seemed fair to me since John didn't give them anything either. Actually the Maliri have given John more at this point since they gave him a lead on some hot engine technology. He's given them nothing in return except for a promise.

It's possible that John might take the engine tech and skedaddle with it.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Missing pages

I did notice also that the tally of comments sometimes do not match with the given total, but refreshing the page helps, sometimes 3 or 4 times will give the correct number.

I think this has to do with the fact that a number of 'servers' serve the webpages due to the load, and they are serving from a cache which is 'local' to the server. This cache will be refreshed after it becomes stale; which is depending on a set of parameters which is set by the sys-admins of LitErotica.

However, only the last comments should be reloaded into the cache, so missing comments in the list must be done by someone else with sys-admin rights or by the owner of the list, who says that he did not do that.

Herman Grootaers; a semi-retired sysadmin

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
John as a trader

Should pick up cargo more often.

Anything good for trade at Geniya?

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: John was a trader

"without any sort of payment up front?"

The Maliri having already paid half for the engine tech (assuming that isn't a lie!) is the partial payment. They are going to Trankaran Space next anyway, so when they get there, all they have to do is pay the other half in the Awesome Ship Upgrades shop, and be on their merry way. I'm sure it will be that easy, right? ;-)

"However, John, as an experienced trader, didn't even try to negotiate? Why?"

All will be made clear in chapter 48! Which has been submitted, so you can probably expect to see it on the site Monday/Tuesday.

XentianXentianalmost 8 years ago
Chapter 48!

Damn Tefler!

You are writing like a man possessed, I just hope your editors can keep up with you!

Thanks for some good news this weekend :)

Cheers,

Xentian

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
John was a trader, right?

First, I'm giving your story five stars, because it's amazing.

However, what bothers me about this chapter isn't quite what has been pointed out by others in this (very long) comment thread, so I thought I would chime in.

John was a *trader* for over ten years, right? As in, he cut deals for a living?

What sort of trader, agrees to a handshake deal like this, with someone he *knows* is untrustworthy without any sort of payment up front? Especially, without even trying to *negotiate* a partial up-front portion of the payment? Would you take on a mission where you were expected to risk your life, and were promised payment on delivery by someone you knew to be untrustworthy without even trying to negotiate the bargain?

In some sense, the Maliri hold the cards in this negotiation, yes. However, John, as an experienced trader, didn't even try to negotiate? Why?

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Balls vs Brains

I hate to say this because John strikes me as being a a damn good strategist but for his military career he was likely much more gifted with balls than brains if he ended up seeing too many of his friends die. Nothing wrong with his brains but he has literally more in his scrotum than any other two brave men combined.

Going back to the consult with crew argument even though it is well covered and cleared up.

Definitely ask junior officers first. You want perspectives and their ideas of what is important. You want them to catch anything you missed and for confidence in the chain of command you let them help you before you start. Wisdom is picking the right time to keep your mouth shut.

You do not want them to get into "Follow my plan!" mode right off the bat. If senior officer speaks first and then a junior officer adds something that changes the plan then confidence is decreased.

You do not want the most experienced officer to lead off, because he needs to know how close they are first. He will end up laying out details where they have already gotten there. His version if he goes first is probably much longer and wastes more time than letting them go first. This is all situational awareness 101 from command school. You guys slept through that class?

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Basura

About your comments: I definitely haven't deleted them.

I've noticed some weird behaviour on the "view all comments" links though, and comments do sometimes go missing and aren't visible.

I have submitted a handful of edited chapters, but that shouldn't knock out the existing comments.

basurabasuraalmost 8 years ago
Regarding clues...

I've picked a lot of clues along the story, some I got right, some I got wrong, and some are unresolved, but I try to avoid commenting on them to avoid spoiling the story for other, specially when a clue can mean several different things.

Out of curiosity I tried to review my previous comments, and found that many of them have vanished (which I don't mind). Just checked up to chapter 21 and all my comments up to there are missing. Either they got lost when the edited chapters were submitted, or otherwise deleted.

I remember a time when Tefler replied me he avoids responding to those who get too close to be spoilers, so I guess I was too close then, and I've tried to be more careful about what I say ;)

Anyway, the most interesting thing in my opinion is that we are assuming a lot of things. We don't really know many details about the maliri, or the progenitors, or the ashanath or any other species. Their ideological background and motivations may very well be opposed to what we are assuming.

The greys could be posing as benevolent allies just to gain something (protection?) while holding back information. Or be just plain wrong on their interpretation of the ancient "treasures".

The maliri could be already working under a progenitor, and trying to gain John's help to rid them from him. Or be just fanatical about their origin as progenitor "chosen" people, and want to ingratiate with John in the way they think is expected from them. Or Edraele may be trying to manipulate John to gain advantage/control over the maliri.

The progenitors could be the ruthless conqueror the ashanath think, or could be some kind of life guardians, creating new species via manipulation of lower beings, removing those species who became problematic (like overpopulated, overexpanding humans), or anything in the middle.

At this point, most of what we have are incomplete information, "in story" suppositions and our own assumptions.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Edraele's real motivations:

we have picked them up. the clues are there, just like always... these hints in advance before exposing a plot point create a much fluid story. I'm looking forward to having a misandrist crew member on board. dana won't let her spy on stuff n she can't take on any of the crew... it'll be interesting...

-devil

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Great chapter and looking forward to more!

I think we can ALL agree that Edraele is a bitch and I think she has had plenty of involvement with progens in the past given that she knew about the mind shield and admitting that she knew progens jelously guard their tech.

One questions though, is this Thashana woman johns mother? It kinda makes since, because she (Edraele) said something along the lines of "decades have past since she learned the phsyic" thing. That would fit in with the timeline, because Johns mother "escaped" from his father before he was born. Also, that would confirm my theory about Edraele knowing johns father and potentially being one of his fathers mates. I guess that would make Edraele Johns aunt or something and Irilith his cousin? I don't know how you feel about fictional incest Tefler, but it doesn't bother me at all. Just sayin.

Also, one grammar mistake was on the fourth page that really stood out to me, it was "could saw" when it should of been "could see" . Hopefully you get around to correcting it later. All in all, a FANTASTIC chapter, I really like the kinda slow non-violence ones over the shootem up chapters. Just my preference, it's nice to slow down after all the excitement.

Sincerly, A guy who has been reading since chapter five came out. (I should really get a literotica account ;)

Superchef4255Superchef4255almost 8 years ago

Another great chapter as usual it looks like Alyssa is getting even more powerful can't wait to see where this goes how much longer until the next chapter tefler?

Inevitable_Inevitable_almost 8 years ago
Edraele's Motivation

I have a general idea of what it is, I just don't see it going anywhere(grandiose plans rarely do). What's the point of a massively overbuilt shipyard, engine designs and a Mael'narek... The only question is whether her plans are limited to the Maliri or the known universe.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Ummm....I think I have. But I have a headache.

There's a couple of clues as to Edraele's real motivations in chapter 47, but they are subtle and it doesn't look like anyone has picked up on them yet.

Dry_opinionDry_opinionalmost 8 years ago
@ RedRhythmicSerpent

Thanks for John's background info.

I agree with some of your points:

1. My criticism is not constructive enough. - I'll work on that.

2. I take valuable time from Tefler. - Fixing the first point should fix this one also.

I don't agree with other points:

1. Attempting to influence the storytelling of someone else - This is the reason we have feedback. I believe that pointing out questionable choices to the author will prevent their development on the early stage. Or at least make the author aware that more explanation is required.

2. Write your own or seek something you like - I like this one. I care for it. That is why I spend so much time on comments. I won't give up - I'll work on my constructiveness and make sure to value Tefler's time. But don't ask me to quit.

Wish you and yours a safe and happy life as well. I'd be happy to see you rate my level of constructiveness on the upcoming chapters.

Cheers!

GnomeDePlumeGnomeDePlumealmost 8 years ago
Methinks this is not a "tell-all" story...

First off, bravo, Tefler! Absolutely superb story. And like so many of your "crew" I am eagerly awaiting each new "meal."

Well, that's enough of that.

My take, for what it's worth (and I reserve the right to be wrong), is that Tefler is carefully NOT giving us complete access to ANY of the story's characters for more than brief moments. For what it's worth, I applaud that choice, because it'd be tedious as hell and leave little room for surprises.

If we know chapter and verse about everyone's motivations, and their full thoughts about any given situation or problem, the only way Tefler can surprise us is by revealing a previously-hidden blind spot. That only goes so far.

In any event, Tefler, write the damned story your way. You're doing an incredible job. And I will eagerly await the next gift from a marvelously talented author.

RedRhythmicSerpentRedRhythmicSerpentalmost 8 years ago
@ Dry-opinion

If I recall correctly, John spent the last 11 years as a trader, that would be after he left the Marines. 10 years in the service, 11 years as a trader, that would only leave 19 years unaccounted for. I recall that John's Grandparents raised him and owned a restaurant that he worked in until he enlisted. Please - if you are finding this grand epic adventure (in my humble opinion) either/ or too difficult to follow or just plain not to your liking, instead of attempting to influence the storytelling of someone else, write your own or seek something you like. It just seems less than constructive criticism and more like you are saying "this is how it should go because of my personal opinions." The reason for this post is to ask you to please pay attention or leave, the time Tefler has taken to hold your hand and walk you through the story cold have been better used writing more chapters for the rest of us who love the story. Thanks for listening to my dry opinion and I wish you and yours a safe and happy life.

Happy 4th of July weekend everyone!

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Dry_opinion

No problem. Please don't take my replies as an attack, I was simply trying to explain some of the reasoning behind their actions.

I can't reveal everything, but there's more going on behind the scenes here. There's a couple of clues as to Edraele's real motivations in chapter 47, but they are subtle and it doesn't look like anyone has picked up on them yet. Either that, or they are not saying anything to avoid spoiling it for everyone else!

Dry_opinionDry_opinionalmost 8 years ago
Re: John's background

Ah, I remember now. Thanks.

Indeed, I have magnified John's military skills in my mind. Guess he is not the genius strategist I envisioned him to be ...

Well it is starting to make a lot more sense to me. Thanks again for taking the time to explain it all.

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
John's opinions

"Tefler gives each girls perspective with reasons and emotions behind them, while he leaves John's perspective, reasons and emotions not explained. "

This is a valid criticism. I didn't go into this detail in his telepathic discussion with Alyssa, but perhaps I should have. I go over his reasoning in more detail in the next chapter.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Tefler

What? You mean to say this is YOUR story? That you know how it is going to end and we are just along for the FREE ride? HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST YOU HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL OVER THIS STORY! ;-) LOL. Please forgive my 'DRY" humor.

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
John's background

"Somehow I though he was in the military from childhood. Did I miss the 30 years of his life before the military explained "

He grew up with his grandparents, helping them in their restaurant while going to school. He joined the military aged 18, and served for 10 years. He retired, not wanting to see any more of his friends get killed, and bought the Fool's Gold. He then lived as a trader for 11 years, before finally making the Tyrenium deal on Karron, and meeting Alyssa.

All of this has been mentioned in previous chapters, so none of it should be a mystery.

PussyLickersRusPussyLickersRusalmost 8 years ago
Ouch!

Now that was the most polite S-L-A-M I have ever witnessed.

Dry_opinionDry_opinionalmost 8 years ago
@ Inevitable_ and Tefler regarding leadership

You make valid points. I agree - girls should voice their opinions first.

Still, it looks to me that John's reasoning gets lost. Tefler gives each girls perspective with reasons and emotions behind them, while he leaves John's perspective, reasons and emotions not explained.

> He is 40, he was in the military for 10 years.

My bad. Somehow I though he was in the military from childhood. Did I miss the 30 years of his life before the military explained, or is it another mystery?

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Guerilla tactics

"John demands a meeting with Irillith"

Irillith answered the call, refusing to look directly at him. "Our business is done Mael'nerak. I have no interest in meeting with you, we have nothing to discuss. My mother will speak to you tomorrow when we arrive at Valaden." The view-screen crackled as she abruptly ended the call.

So what now? She's scared of him, and the first thing she does when she arrives at the planet is to go and meet with her mother to convince her to banish him from Maliri Space. The last thing she'd consider is going aboard his ship, or letting him aboard hers (remember how cagey the guards were about letting non-maliri near their ship?)

"Meanwhile Dana and Nymph damage Irillith's ship engines."

So even if she agreed to a meeting, immediately afterwards Irillith's ship's engines mysteriously get damaged? You don't think she'd immediately smell a rat, and call for backup?

If he was just going to kill the Maliri, and steal what he wanted, he would have done so as soon as they were a safe distance from Geniya Space Station. Cripple their engines, shoot out any turrets in their fire arcs, perform an active scan, take out their life support. Now the Maliri are all dead, quick spacewalk to the shop, cut off a beam laser, back to the ship and off they go. Got everything they wanted in several hours.

Why not go full evil? Same as above, but just board the ship, slaughter the crew, capture Irillith, rape her and force her under his control. Extract all information she has on the Progenitors, and space her afterwards. Job done.

Obviously I'm not going to have him do those things, but I'm just pointing out that there are MUCH more expedient ways of doing anything, if you aren't constrained by any kind of morals or ethics.

"Having Maliri weapons info, John travels to Valaden and forces the Matriarch to give up much more information on Mael'nerak as a guarantee for their deal."

How is he going to force her to do anything? Just because he has somehow acquired Maliri weapon technology in the scenario you describe above, how does that give him more cards to play? If he in any way reveals that he has stolen their tech, she might well try to have him killed immediately.

If he seems more interested in Progenitor knowledge than access to weaponry, then Edraele simply requests that he finishes her mission, then she'll tell him everything he wants to know as a reward. I don't see how he gains any kind of leverage here.

Dry_opinionDry_opinionalmost 8 years ago
To Tefler regarding Re: Fonzie jumping the shark

>I'm curious to hear what course of action you think John should have taken after the fulmanax encounter. What would "intelligent" John have done instead?

Here's my idea.

After making sure Alyssa has recovered enough, but before reaching Maliri's home, John demands a meeting with Irillith (reason is not important). Meanwhile Dana and Nymph damage Irillith's ship engines. That ship should have Maliri weapons aboard. Now John and Dana suggest helping with the engines, while Nyph takes weapons blueprints or any other vital info (morphing creature is a perfect infiltrator in my opinion).

Having Maliri weapons info, John travels to Valaden and forces the Matriarch to give up much more information on Mael'nerak as a guarantee for their deal.

In the end, "intelligent" John has info on Maliri weapons and info on Mael'nerak.

"Intelligent" John would have used guerrilla tactics: deception, sabotage and espionage (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_and_tactics_of_guerrilla_warfare#Tactics)

Why did I choose Guerrillas? -

"Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants such as paramilitary personnel, armed civilians, or irregulars use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional military." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare)

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Dry_opinion

"I too want their opinions, just after John (the leader and most experienced combat officer) gave his first."

Interesting. In my experience, leaders tend to gather everyone's feedback first, then make their decision based on the advice given, weighed with their own opinion. If the leader states their opinion first, then people are often reluctant to counter it.

There are dozens of examples of this in Star Trek the next generation. Worf makes some recommendation to shoot phasors of launch torpedos, then Picard ignores him and does something else. He's always asking his officers for their opinion first, (or they just volunteer it anyway) then decides on a course of action afterwards.

"Also John is the only one with 40 years of military experience "

He is 40, he was in the military for 10 years.

"You do not ask a medic, an engineer or a pilot how they feel about Irillith joining the ship."

It's not just their ship, its their home as well. Besides, what does it hurt asking them for an opinion? If he made all the decisions and just said "stfu I know more than any of you", wouldn't it make for a boring story?

Inevitable_Inevitable_almost 8 years ago
@Dry_Opinion

He can't really give his opinion first as it inherently colours their view given the dynamic of him being a progenitor. It's far safer and more logical for him to take their perspectives first and then decide on a course. Better leadership in my mind as well but that is subjective I suppose.

The reality is that the only place he really needs to give direct immediately followed orders are in combat and he hasn't delegated that task yet at any point, Progenitor-John aside and at that point he's more or less incapable.

As far as negotiations go, he's not really had much in the way of power when it comes to the Maliri and the current deal he's struck isn't a negative for him as until they come back to Maliri space, he's just continuing his own mission with an annoying psychopathic passenger, it may even save him a lot of money.

As far as Irillith goes, it is a family more than a crew for those types of decisions and I stand by my comment above with regard to not colouring the opinions of his crew by letting them all speak first and deciding based on that. It would be relatively easy to satisfy your concerns by Tefler having John overrule a more or less unanimous decision by the crew but there's no particular reason to do that either unless it makes sense for a story reason and I can't envision one at this time.

Has there been much need for positive vision in a while?, the start of the next chapter is the first freedom they've had in about 5 chapters, they've been more or less locked on a path since they started with the Maliri. Once you're committed down a path you have to ride it out and see what happens. I just don't share your concerns in this regard.

Dry_opinionDry_opinionalmost 8 years ago
Responses

Thanks to all, who pointed out missing details in my comment. Truth be told, I was disappointed after reading the chapter - so it was more emotional than logical feedback.

Now that I've calmed down:

1.Opinion uninformed

> When they are full junior officers you want their opinions.

> You act like they are bitchy air headed bimbos without opinions worth knowing.

> You act like it is an admission of weakness for John to have made smart girls into geniuses and then try and use their brains.

Agreed. I too want their opinions, just after John (the leader and most experienced combat officer) gave his first. Otherwise it reads like girls are coming up with decisions and John simply agrees all the time. So it is not that I don't like girls having opinions, it is I hate John not having his own opinions at all. He has lost his position as the leader and should be downgraded to a servant for the girls. At this point he is more of a milking cow anyway.

> They are smarter and sexier than you are used to. Just change your perspective.

They have more skills in their respective areas. That does not mean they are smarter over all.

Also John is the only one with 40 years of military strategy\tactics experience and dealing with various species. He knows from experience how to avoid traps and cut best deals better than anyone on that ship. Or at least he should ...

2. PussyLickersRus

> Perhaps we are not all so stupid to think we know everything so we are more apt to ask for input before making important decisions?

You do not ask a medic, an engineer or a pilot how they feel about Irillith joining the ship. You ask John (the leader and most experienced combat officer) to consider that he is taking a potential spy abroad his ship. You ask him to consider being fulled once by Maliri and having no guarantees on getting the weapons. Is the risk worth it?

And then you ask for input before making important decisions. Otherwise, let the girls make all decisions and command the ship.

3. Inevitable_

>@Dry_Opinion he's made girls who are far more capable than he could ever dream to be in areas other than ground combat and leadership, both of which he has many years of experience in.

Exactly my point. Leadership - positive vision, passion, risk assessment, ability to inspire among others. Haven't read inspirational speech or positive vision from John in a long time, apart from when he comes up with creative ways to fuck his girls. And even then they demonstrate more leadership than him.

4. @Dry_opinion

> What you are doing is called exhausting a metaphor. They are not really a pride of lions.

Why all the pride comparison, medals, armors with lions? Am I the one exhausting the metaphor?

5. Fonzie has jumped the shark

Agree with the comment.

Inevitable_Inevitable_almost 8 years ago
Re: Fonzie jumping the shark

when it comes to Genocide, we even get the thought process from the crew on page 3 of chapter 46, there isn't anything that can be done so nothing changes, at least for the moment. Maybe there will be a window for some kind of justice later.

When it comes to the engines, all they need is the top of the line engines and Dana can make a schematic anyway so no need to steal in any situation unless the engines cost more than John's current networth, a situation also easily resolved by selling some of Dana's tech.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
If your characters make tough calls

50% of readers will feel scared that the characters they love are risked and ruined by "mistakes" they are making.

Getting criticisms is a whiny form of flattery. In every case of ohno syndrome what the complained needed to do was ask what they missed because each one had tunnel vision. The story they saw was simpler and narrower than what was written.

Just because you did not pay attention to an important detail that you did not see as interesting or relevant does not mean you can call bullshit on the parts of the story that you are sure of.

Good habit is to phrase a concern as a question first. Save the complaining.

This works both ways. Irrilith will restrain her bitchiness if she becomes crew but it will still be there. They stay the same person with attitude assist. She will be something like an intelligent officer and powerful, playing devils advocate and proposing devious plans. Jade will make an interesting partner. I see them being a fuck fight couple.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Thanks for the best story on the site.

I am consistently pleased and surprised by the quality and quantity of your writing a and editing. Very well done, thank you. The story is first rate and the plot intriguing.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
A Good Story by Anon

I am with Anon, it's a good story. If you don't like this one there's plenty of dross to switch to. I enjoy reading a good critique of Tefler's work but only when it is accompanied with some logical analysis or sensible options.

I think this time round there a lack of objectivity in some comments.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Excellent chapter

I think you've continued to do a fantastic job with this, and the debate in the comments is proof that people care about your characters and story. I, for one, am excited to see Irillith become part of the crew, even if it does seem a little forced. That character arc would be very interesting.

Can't wait for the next part!

TeflerTefleralmost 8 years agoAuthor
Re: Fonzie jumping the shark

I explained in the comments on the last chapter that the crystal tech isn't what makes the Maliri lasers powerful. The Maliri use that technology to make armour and clear crystal domes.

Regarding them turning pirate/criminal, where did you get that from? Edraele only cares about getting the schematics, not how they acquire them. That doesn't mean John and the girls have to steal them, as they can still follow up on the half completed deal.

As for: "A little information"

The Maliri are by far the strongest source of potential information that they have encountered yet. The ashanath knowledge of John's species was based on millenia old stone pictures.

Finally, I'm curious to hear what course of action you think John should have taken after the fulmanax encounter. What would "intelligent" John have done instead?

Tefler

cittrancittranalmost 8 years ago
Jumping the Shark

In a direct quote from TVTropes.org's page on "Jumping the Shark", I give you this:

"Jumping the Shark is the moment when an established long-running series changes in a significant manner in an attempt to stay fresh. Ironically, that moment makes the viewers realize that the show's finally run out of ideas. It's reached its peak, it'll never be the same again, and from now on it's all downhill."

And thus, in the grand spirit of internet comments, anon, I address your comment with the following reply:

"I call bullshit."

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Fonzie has jumped the shark

In the last two chapters I believe you've jumped the shark because you've proven after 45 decent chapters that our progenitor protagonist is a complete moron. Too bad he wasn't swallowing his own quad juice to improve his brain power like the girls. He is first duped in committing genocide which he shrugs off as "oh well" and now he's been turned pirate/criminal in hopes of stealing engine schematics which was a horrible deal accepted in a few seconds. All for a little information and new lasers? He's got Dana and the secret of the crystal tech. What does he need their lasers for now? Get back to fighting rogue AIs and searching for Terran traitors.

AnonymousAnonymousalmost 8 years ago
Good story.

I check once a week for an update.

I find the comments amusing. Readers have so many variables and opinions. Write your own story if you don't like the scenarios tefler is painting. Not an easy task.

I like the story. Seems like it can go on another 40 plus chapters.

Keep writing your story the way you see it.

Cheers.

Inevitable_Inevitable_almost 8 years ago

fair enough, it never does actually say that, good point

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