All Comments on 'Sauce for the Goose'

While well written, and logically correct, there was a failure of the husband to take into account history.

When he stone-walled her and was not honest, he broke the contract and showed the first lack of respect. As someone who was so sure of himself that he "would have sat her down and talked about it" why didn't he?

The marriage was broken, but not by her, by him. He was right, they didn't belong together, but he was wrong about the reason. Any man who has so little regard for his wife that he practices that kind of deceit, shouldn't be married!

The first response to this story is Bullshit! He didn't stonewall her. He was trying to exempt her from hurt and confusion. The story is great - keep writing!

They deserve each other both are nowaday people me first everybody else second.

I'm absolutely baffled by hrnicols' response since he stonewalled nothing. He took some time to figure out how to tell her about a daughter, a fact that was going to hurt her, but never WASN'T going to tell her, they were just trying to figure out how. Since there was no stonewalling I have to assume that response was some personal issues clouding judgment. I thought the story was well told, though clearly intended to be sad. There is nothing wrong with a sad story. A good job and I'm going to go read your other stuff if there is any.

<p>To me it was logical and made sense.</p>

<p>Your going to get a lot of haters, because they are only going to see that the wife didn't cheat and the husband should have given her a second chance.</p>

<p>But I agree with why he left in the story as well</p>

<p>Divorce under <i>mental cruelty</i> exist in some states, and used to exist (before the catch all was invented) for a reason.</p>

<p>And this story, has it. The husband's character explained why he didn't explain about his daughter. His wife was upset she couldn't have kids, he told her before he found out he never had any, he really wanted kids and his wife knew, his daughter wasn't quite ready to meet her yet cause she was scared, etc.</p>

<p>The husband didn't do anything to the wife directly. If anything he was trying to keep it from her. But the wife went the other way. She remembered how it felt when her first husband cheated and she decided to make sure she got some revenge back. By getting revenge on her second husband she could make herself feel better about what her first husband did. And she tried to do it as cruelly as possible for maximum effect. Telling the husband in great detail her plans and what she was going to do, expecting to do it as he sat unable to stop her miles away</p>

<p>That's why I liked it. It made sense. If someone is that cruel would you want them raising any kids with you?</p>

<p>Would you want them teaching <i>any</i> kids this is an acceptable response to someone if they <i><b>think</b></i> they were wronged by them, with no real proof?</p>

<p>That if you believed someone has wronged you, get way more than even with them, make sure you do it for maximum pain, and if you find your wrong in your assumption, a simple "I'm sorry" will fix any wrong you've done no matter how painful it is, and if they <b>don't</b> except the I'm sorry for some reason as the victim that means somehow your more evil than the one screwing you over?</p>

<p>Would anyone marry someone if they knew in advance their response to any screw up they "perceive" you've done, whether you have or you haven't, is to be as cruel to you as possible, then say "oops my bad" if they are wrong and expect you to not be hurt over it? What if they weren't wrong? Is that level of cruelty acceptable?</p>

<p>Nope staying in a marriage with someone like this makes no sense.</p>

<p>But like I said, it was a good story, but only the crowd that feels <i><b>reconciliation as all cost</b></i> is the only answer to every marriage will hate you for the story. Not every marriage should stay together just because they got married.</p>

<p>I loved it personally</p>

-Risq

While I found the story powerful, I totally disagree with your implication that the husband's actions are justified. Meeting with your long-lost daughter is one thing; kissing her publicly outside a hotel is something else. Especially given that the husband knows how his wife's previous marriage ended--understands what a devastating, painful event she had to live through--he has been an insensitive and thoughtless jerk. Now he compounds that mistake by dumping her? Fuck him!

Thanks, ohio

Classic man hating idiot analysis by hrnichol. His argument is that the husband should of recognized that the wife's Life experience and background would lead her to jump to conclusions. Therefore his lack of HONESTY was DECEIT.

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<i>While well written, and logically correct, there was a failure of the husband to take into account history. When he stone-walled her and was not honest, he broke the contract and showed the first lack of respect. As someone who was so sure of himself that he "would have sat her down and talked about it" why didn't he? The marriage was broken, but not by her, by him. </i>

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You see the spin an the LIE?

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you see the DOUBLE standard? According to the story the husband had JUST found out he even had a 17 year old daughter.!!

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yet the husband ...according to the brain dead man hating Idiot hrnichol... is NOT allowed ANY time to deal with this stunning Bombshell.

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In the story BOTH the husband and wife could NOT have kids. Now suddenly a 17 year girl shows up... and acording to hrnichol and the Husband is being DECEITFUL?

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hrnichol you are really one stupid little bastard.

OHIO your analysis ia crap. <b>WHY isnt the husband allowed ANY time to get his head around the situation.? </b> Time after time we see posters demanding and attacking the huband actions for failure to considered's the wife background.

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OK I agree.

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But WHY doesnt that also apply to HIM? WHY isnt the husband given NO time or consideration by readers to adjust to this sort of life changing Bombshell?

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why?!?!?!

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Ohio's post would apply IF the husband kept his UNKNOWN daughter from his wife for weeks. THAT would of been deceitful.

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that did Not happen. It would help IF OHIO could keep the sequence of events correct.

<p>I'm not trying to stereotype, but I know a lot folks who kiss their kids on the lips. I don't agree with it, because I personally don't, but I know that I've seen them do it.</p>

<p>I believe many Italian families kiss the kids of all ages on the lips. I believe some Greek families do as well. Some families just feel kissing their kids on the lips is no big deal</p>

<p>Also in this story, the daughter thought she was unwanted and wanted to know why her father didn't love her enough to keep her. I've met a few kids who were adopted and that is a pretty common feeling among them. When I was in high school, the school bus used to pick up about 12 kids a day from the local orphanage, so I had 4 years to listen to some of them talk, and yes, various ones felt abandoned by their birth parents. So I could see the daughter wanting some reassurance that she was truly wanted by her father, and if the father was raised that kissing on the lips is ok, that he might do that to a daughter he really wanted</p>

<p>But I don't believe personally his character overreacted to what his wife did. In the story his wife talked how how rough life was when they found out she couldn't conceive, and she knew her husband wanted kids. She talked about how badly her first marriage ended with her first husband's cheating. I could see the husband trying to figure out how to broach the subject to his wife that he now has a daughter that he didn't know he had, and hope his wife doesn't feel resentment about it. He didn't throw it in her face, he met his daughter at a hotel because lets be honest a second, where "was" she going to stay when she came to town to meet her father? Get a short term lease for 2-3 months on an apartment? (^_^)</p>

<p>There isn't a person here that has not once thought to themselves "Hmmm" how do tell my husband/wife something that I think they might not want to hear". They don't just blurt it out, they take some time and think about what the best way is to tell them so that they don't have a fight about it. Especially if they have already had a fight about it once before and it was ugly.</p>

<p>The husband and wife already had a major fight about not having kids, and the husband knew that really hurt the wife, so he tried to find a way to bring it up, at the same time get to know the other person in this equation, his daughter he never knew he had, at the same time. There were two hurt women in this story, and he was trying to find away that both would come away happy. Nice dream on his part though >=)</p>

<p>And in this story, the husband had already convinced his daughter to meet his wife, and she was in the car waiting, when his wife finally decided to cheat on him as cruelly as possible.</p>

<p>A perceived wrong doesn't make it any less an observer error if you don't have all the facts. And it is even worse if you act on those perceived wrongs, and you are cruel when you do it, and you've made a mistake. That doesn't make it right or acceptable if the other person is innocent.</p>

<p>What if she had shot and killed him, and then found out after she shot him it was a mistake because he was just getting to know his daughter, would the judge in the case go "Oh well no harm done, next case"? I doubt it</p>

-Risq

I'm amazed at the people who put all the blame on the husband. Look at the timeline. He was going to tell his wife that day - just ONE WEEK after he found out himself. If you are presented with a fully grown child you never knew about, are you really going to insist on moving as quickly as possible? Introduce her to your insecure wife, who can't have children? Even when your daughter asks to take it slow? (And is a whole week really that slow?)</p>

How about this: the first Monday at dinner, she asks him, "Why were you at the motel?" or "Who was that slut I saw you with?" I'm sure he would have understood her anger and her jumping to conclusions (as he did in the actual story). Of course, he would have told her the truth immediately and they would still be married.</p>

It seems to me the detractors here are arguing that the stimulus was significant. The husband recognized that this is a very big stimulus but feels that NO stimulus exists that justifies such an extreme response. To him it revealed the cruelty and hatred she is capable of, and she is not the woman he thought he knew.</p>

If she had threatened divorce, or even had him served, I believe he would have been able to talk to her and they would still be married. But that shows an understandable response. If you argue her past gives her a pass on her behavior, so does his. He recently reconciled himself to the fact he can't have children when SURPRISE! "Hi, Daddy!" He has a wife who is devastated because she can't have children and she isn't going to take it well that he had a child with the ex-wife that he doesn't hate. So he put off introducing her for ONE WEEK. To see her behavior as forgivable but his as inexcusable is backward. They both showed trepidation, worry, and confusion. Humanity. But she showed cruelty, vindictiveness and a willingness to use people (Tom) that would give me pause if I were married to her. Shades of inhumanity.</p>

Remember, you don't always have to sympathize with the narrating character! Good work, chasten, I'll be looking for your stuff in the future.

The story started off as a good example of that thing called COMMUNICATION in a marriage. But it took a negative detour at the part at which he made the unilateral decision to terminate the marriage, only nominal improved by some of the subsequent dialog. If nothing else, he knew that he had done nothing wrong and thus, it makes it illogical for him to react in that manner after he rushed to find her and successfully interrupted her adultery before consummation. If he made that much effort, it makes no sense for him to punish his wife for doing exactly what she said she was going to do.

-- KK in Texas

Didn't either of them learn from their first marriages? As KK in Texas said, Communication is key to ANY marriage. It seems these two people stopped talkign to each other so even if they had stayed together they probably wouldn't have lasted much longer.

A good story with spicy, saucy comments. "Big Boys at their best" I liked the way the story started & ended. I agree about the "communication" thing & I also agree that the husband is NOT the only one to blame. About the "Kiss" thing -- I'm only child to my parents & I'm more close to my father than my mother. He always kisses me on my forehead. When I was small I watched my parents kissing (on lips) & asked them what they were doing? This question still brings a smile on our face. I've a friend in my college whose mother always kisses him on his lips. Everyone have their own way of showing love & affection whether you kiss on lips, cheeks or forehead. I enjoyed the story & the comments by the Big Boys.

Harry in Va, Risq, Ohio, KK in texas, Jaded_one1969 =)))

I'm 19 will be 20 soon, So all the "Big Boys". Just wanted to ask you guys - how do you all break your comments, I mean in paragraph. I did tried it, but no luck. Anyways, thanks for the entertainment evryone.

I do not like to see a marriage fall apart, but Sussie Q. is to blame if this marrige falls apart. She was to self centered and let things go down the wrong path. We do not know if Sussie is Sam's daughter. He might be telling Elaine that so he can get out of his marriage. I still think their marriage can work, but get Sussie out of the picture since she was the cause of everything going wrong. Sam, confide in your wife no matter what. Elaine, trust Sam more that you have been and communicate more and more. You have to work to stay married and both of you need to work on this marriage. Sam, work harder and Elaine, do no give up on Sam. However, if Sam wants a divorce, then give him one and move on with your live. Life is too short to stay around when you are not wanted, but Eilene, take him for everything he has if he files for a divorce because he is wanting out of the marriage.

This story is different because she's right in one way and he is right in another. I wonder who, husband or wife, would received the vote if the question were to be asked to a random group of happily married couples versus an equal size of happily divorced men and women. Which way would I vote? Well, given that Elaine had already experience a similar problem in her first marriage, and she was quite disturbed by what she had perceived she saw, I'd tend to take her side: but just barely. More talking about it between the couple and some professional counseling would be required. Does Chasten regard this story as now an open and shut case in which he'd not be willing to write a concluding chapter? RAG

correctly. <p>

If a person continues speaking, use beginning but not ending quotes, even if the monologue runs more than a paragraphy, whether the paragraphs are 1-2 lines or full paragraphs. <p>

Otherwise it is distracting.

I have already written comments on this story, which are positive and just barely take Elaine's side including no resulting divorce. I think that talking things out, not done in Casten's story, might well have resolved the problem and would not have ended in divorce. I just read some of the other comments posted by others and note that Ohio has been under fire for siding with Elaine. It should be said the Ohio has written a truly outstanding story in "loving Wives" that, while it's plot is not the same as in the present story, clearly shows what talking about cheating between a husband and wife can achieve. Ohio's "landmark" story is entitled, House of Cards." It's well worthwhile reading if you have not already done so. RAG

For the Quotation Nazi-I hope that, while chasten is taking your advice to learn about multiple paragraph quotes, you are learning to spell. Just teasing! About the story (the real reason for commenting), I really liked it. I went and read your other submissions and it seems to me that you don't write stories where one side is clearly right and the other clearly wrong. I think that's more real. It also gives commenters something to argue about. Don't feel obligated to resolve these. I like your style. Pat

question: why did he stop her if he wanted out of the marriage anyway? after his decision (a real quick one, as he had to find her first, that ment what less than 20 minutes, as far as I can remember) that this was the end of his marriage, why did he not go out with his daughter and come home with her real late. I mean checking out first that she would be home by then and present his daughter then to her? no that would have been to cruel on the daughter. but he could go home and make a video with his daughter and his daughter saying hi. then bring the daughter back to her hotel and finish the video by telling his wife to move out the same evening. so why the hassle to find her ?

A well written story, good entertainment. As far as the argument pro and con by the readers, my opinion is they are both wrong. He shouldn't have gone behind her back meeting his daughter and she should have confronted him as soon as she found him coming out of the hotel.<p>She did him wrong by seeking such devastating revenge. I can see the author point here, by having the husband feel the wife showed him lack of respect by willing to commit adultery, he just couldn't trust her anymore. Good story author, well done.

What she is really like, and doesn't like it. she was alone and lonly for a long time and this is why. Good but sad story, thanks.

While I don't understand his neeed to show up at the hotel to stop his wife and then tell her he was leaving her, I did like the rest of the story. Was his reaction unbalanced? No way. If a partner is that vindictive, yet unwilling to talk about some perception of theirs, no matter how damning, then they are not the kind of person I would want to share my life with.

Should he have told his wife about his daughter sooner? People, it was only a week! For cryin' out loud I think that was a pretty quick timeline considering the history. If nothing else, this story has churned up some debate. Nice work, Chasten.

Yes, maybe she should have confronted him with her suspicions, but he knew of her history with her first husband. He knew what that did to her. Give that, breaking up with her for acting in what would be a rather reasonable response is low.

It's just to show what can happen when two people stop communicating with each other. I hope they both find happiness should they marry again. Cheers.

Her response was so over the top to suspecting him of cheating it's just sick. Calling it "rather reasonable" pretty much gives me the same opinion of your judgement. Personally I think he should have done more to her. Why bother to try to save her from herself-that's what he was doing-when she's literally trying to torture him not just have revenge sex? Good writing but the guy was too understanding of her.

Really confused. Guys an ass in the end. Broad is a bitch for assuming. The whole world here is fucked up.

I sorry but I don't understand the readers faulting him and the author.<P>

The author explains it quite clearly later in the story in retrospect - did they not read the entire story?<P>

Author - you are appreciated and now looked forward to due to the consequence you levied which is always a result of every action taken - small & large - Good or Bad. That's reality & life at its basic.<P>

With High Regard

Something like this story was done by Cloacas called, "The Prenuptial Agreement." I liked this version just as much. I won't repeat the comments by others but I think it was well-written and hit the nail on the head. In any marital conflict, it is unusual that one partner is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong. Usually there is a mixture, and each bears some responsibility for the disagreement. Hubby was more right than wrong but he wasn't perfect, and it seems lots of other readers thought so too. As some other readers have wondered, I am not clear as-to why he races to the motel to prevent her from having sex with Tom, then divorces her anyway. The same could have been achieved without the trip to the motel -- or maybe, he just wanted her to feel guilty and wanted her to hurt (best done with a confrontation), so he chose this way to end his marriage. Lots of levels here. Thanks for writing.

cheat on their marriage. As the husband indicated, it clearly shows her lack of love and trust of him to assume her husband was cheating and not talk to him about it. He was dealing with one set of problems without letting his wife know, a mistake on his part. She on the other hand decided on revenge. Fucking someone outside the marriage is never a good revenge, actually it is stupid on to many counts to get into. He actually took the best action he could with an immature woman that did not trust him enough, love him enough, nor respect him enough. Divorce in this case was the only option, they could have sought marriage counseling as some say, but then why put off the marriage a couple of years and waste the money in the mean time? Marriage counseling and reconciliations seldom work for long, eventually the marriage breaks down and divorce happens. This marriage is already broken by the actions of the wife.

understand. He didnt rush to keep her from having a revenge fuck to save their marriage. He rushed to her to prevent her doing it, then getting a divorce, and later finding out it was his daughter and her not being able to live with herself for destroying their marriage and her self respect. He saved her from herself and the reasons for divorcing her were still good she was not really in love with and did not respect or trust her spouse..

Really well written and well plotted! My tendency is to close ranks with Sam, though I would have told Tom to wait a couple of minutes. One thing is that people who have been through problems do not necessarily learn, many become overly sensitive and fearful so that it takes but the guy to move a bottle from one shelf to another for them to conclude the worse about the guy and the future! Therefore I would say it was a very real tale, and I doubt that they would ever learn to communicate... They were lucky this one was not back in the "good old days", the coroner would have had three bodies to deal with...

Thank you to all those who have sent me mails about how to break the comment into paragraph<p>It'll be more fun to comment on a story now<p> I'm enjoying it.

I have read the story 3 times to get why He really was not taking Her back .. And I agree with all His reasons..I am kind of surprised at OHIO's momment,it realy did not sound like him..Sadly there was no communication with between the Wife and Husband..If Sam and Susan would have been Lovers He would have kissed Her on the mouth not the cheek..Even rereading the phone conversation,to me it did not sound like they were Lovers,.Elaine would have found out that very evening who the Girl was,thats what Sam told Susan on the phone due to Elaine's Parents being there on Sunday,but then SHE decided to end the marriage in the most imagenitive vicious and evil way possible by mentally torturing Sam with the play by play discription of her ending the marriage..So She didnt fuck Tom but She had full intentions to do that,and by the way how and why did She know Tom's home or cell number to phone him that saturday??? And why did She tell Tom that She was divorced already??? Thats why He intended to sleep with Her because Tom thought that She was single,even He found out what a liar She was..That was missed in all the comments..If Sam would not have found Elaine at the Motel She certainly would have been fucking by 6 oclock,and the marriage would be over anyways..Sam fully explained why he was leaving Her,at first I thought too that it was her viscious and vindictive glee Elaine showed when Sam tried to talk to her in the Motelroom leaving Sam only with deflated anger and despair begging "Dont do this Elaine.Please I want to tell..." As She cut him off,She never let Him explain..Thats when I thought He made His decision to leave Her..and I couldnt blame him for that,She made it perfectly clear that She didnt love Him at that point as She was going to fuck Tom anyways and if Sam tried to stop them She was going to scream and get the Cops to throw Him in Jail for the night so that She could then have seconds from Tom in the morning..I dont know why so many of the readers are calling Sam a jerk ??? Why is Sam to blame for what the Slut is trying to do to Him ??? I guess they just be happier if She had come home to feed Him some creampie like so many whimp stories lovers on LW like reading on here..He was no whimp.. He saw his options and toke the only choice He had..If someone treats you like crap and endangers your life with std's by screwing someone outside the marriage,""remember that was Her intend"",even though we all can feel sorry for Her at the end..You dont have to stay with someone no matter how much You love them .. He made the right choice..Great story, chasten I enjoyed reading it.. Only other thing is,that I wonder what Susan thought what She got into here as She was supposed to meet her Dads new loving Wife ?? Interesting question there...lol

It was well thought out and well presented. All the explanations are there, the readers just have to look for them. Now I have to read the rest of your stuff. anon jerry

<p>I liked this story though I did have a problem with the ending. It seems odd to me that a husband would race to prevent his wife from having sex with another man principally because he wants to spare her the guilt once she knows the truth of his other relationship.</p>

<p>How does compassion emanate from one act yet be so completely absent in the other? How could the husband be so rigid in not allowing her to think the worse of him? I thought the husband's long monologue bordered on sanctimonious. He knew her history yet ignored it in the end. She is better off without him too.</p>

<p>Secrets in a marriage are never a good thing. This husband should <b>learn that lesson</b>

in his next relationship.</p>

I feel like celebrating. It’s not often that you find an author who demonstrates such a kin sense for the dramatic aspects of story writing. It’s even more extraordinary to find one who can combine it with thoughtful running commentary, carried by the characters. As a result you are not only intrigued by the plot as you read the story, but you also find yourself weighing the moral considerations pertinent to each side of the story <P>

Way to go!

Not about the story but about the ending: If I were Elaine I'd have pursued my husband by finding and talking to the daughter, Susan. She surely would not have felt comfortable that her meetings with her father (and her desire not to meet his wife) would have led to the end of their marriage. I think that she would be a powerful advocate on Elaine's side for forgiveness. Thanks, ohio

What she intended to do to a man she supposedly loved was way over the top as he said. That was the crux of the story!

Sure she had experienced a husband cheating on her before. But, she failed to verify the actual cheating she suspected and then lost the marriage by going over the top to get revenge... On a man she loved?

What else is there? She intended to humilate him whether she did so or not! That is not love... Better to forgive and be a wimp if you love someone! How can anyone want to destroy the one they love? Is real love all this easy to obtain? I haven't found it to be so in 65 years... Love is sacrifice and wanting the best for the ones you love no matter their failings. Do you all want to hurt your children when they do things you hate? Or is this selfcentered pride of ownership between spouses different than love? You tell me...

I have loved two women through thick and thin and have been abused by both. Was I totally wrong in loving them and still caring no matter what? I did divorce one finally, but not because I hated her or wanted revenge! The love lessened for me as she cheated on me and I found another is all. Why all the pious self-pity and revenge? Although I did learn something from another author or two that said this, "The opposite of love is indifference." So maybe hateful revenge is in fact a demonstration of love! Someone help me out here... My head is hurting!

she assumed and the premise was incorrect. consequences. nicely done.

I enjoy your abrupt style and conversations. Very good.

Thanks.

-Pultoy

I guess strong men are dead and it's the new metrosexuals now, OHIO made a comment a couple of years ago about punishing the husband, that comment was "gay". He met his kid alone, so fucking what! He is a bad husband for caring about his kid. They never met till that day, because she wanted to talk to him alone it a bad thing. Please grow some balls. 5 Stars

The wife was going for the "kill". She had him "tried, convicted, and sentenced" without ever giving him a chance to defend himself. She was over the top with venom and hate. That being the case, I think that the husband's response is not out of line.

It is chasten's story and that is the way he wrote it. He could have put in a reconciliation at the end and it might have worked as well. I could have seen it going that way with no problem at all. But it was chasten's story and I enjoyed the ending the way that he wrote it.

MissouriUSA

Well done. You pulled the whole hat trik of emotions, jealousy, betrayal, revenge, shock, guilt, remourse and the great twist at the end.

Posters can argue forever over -could have/should have/ would have-but it was a nice story, good plot, well written and interesting to the very end.

please write more!

Your character Sam is a horrible human being; he hides something that important from his wife who he then criticizes for not "talking everything out" with, and then goes ballistic. Why did he bother to rush and stop her from having sex if he was going to leave her for failure to do the same thing he failed to do -- talk? If this were real life Elaine would have been much better without that asshole.

I sometimes read stories on literotica and used to read the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Should my wife get angry with me and refuse to sleep with me because I had some fantasy? I don't think so, and I doubt most of you do either. Why? Because we all have fantasies and punishing someone for something you do yourself is just not right. In this story it wasn't a fantasy. But the plain fact of the matter is she didn't go through with it. She didn't commit adultery. Now you can say that she would have, if .... You can also say she never would have if she hadn't seen her husband with another woman. I don't think the wife should be taken to account for something that didn't happen. Holding people accountable for things they may have thought about but never carried out is a way to break up every marriage that ever existed. I think that if the husband had even a little compassion for his wife, he would have to forgive her. Again, I ask you if the roles were reversed, what would you think?

Suppose a husband had his first wife cheat on him and it devastated him. Years later he sees his 2nd wife coming out of a hotel room with a younger very handsome man. What would you or anyone else think? Seriously, would any of you doubt what had just happened? So if the husband then plans to have a revenge fuck, but for whatever reason doesn't do it, would you still think divorce is the only solution? No, I think that this is akin to breaking up with your boyfriend because he fantasized about a Swimsuit model. The husband comes across as a self righteous prig.

Had the husband forgiven her, I doubt that she would ever behave this way again. She would certainly never jump to conclusions again. But say what you will, she really did have a good reason to believe he was unfaithful. Reading the comments and saying what should or shouldn't happen is almost as entertaining as the story itself.

The Rain Man of cuckoldry!

He's absolutely right! How was fucking Tom make things better? If that was me & I saw my husband coming out of a hotel. & kissing some chic I'd get out of my car & confront him! I won't go out fucking some random dude trying to extract my fuck'd up version of revenge... Everything Sam said I agree... She didn't trust him or their marriage... How is acting like a complete slut hurts him ? If anything he'll probably be disgusted...

dont always exhibit good sense,,,,,TK U MLJ LV NV

Incredible emotion here - you got my full attention. Please write more stories even though it appears you haven't in quite a while.

excellent story and what happens with a revenge fuck.

Check the facts before you do something you'll regret. Ask the cunt in this tale. She found out the hard way.

HA HA HA

Painful but great - he was right - when she had made up her mind she was ruthless, uncaring and vicious - to the man she claimed to love. But oops - she was wrong!!!

You get to make your choices - you then get to pay for them = he met his daughter when she was not around to have the conversation with and honored his daughters concerns by not saying anything right away - no foul there - his concern was for both his wife and his child - not just himself like her actions -

He didn't trust her to tell her the truth. I guess there wouldn't be a story otherwise...

Anyway I liked it!

This is a textbook case of why "revenge fucks" don't work. There was a definite lack of communication on both sides, but I have to say that the wife's lack of communication; without even a confrontation before planning her "revenge fuck" was far worse than Hubby not telling her about his daughter. He had valid points about confrontation before condemnation.

IF for some odd reason my wife were to catch me kissing a woman she didn't know on the cheek, there would be HELL to pay. Yes, in all capital letters. Same would go the other way, too. We both know that revenge fucks don't work, but communication does. Great cautionary tale about jumping to the wrong conclusions and failing to confront or communicate.

5 Solid Stars.

or as a former president once

trust, but verify.

This was a smart man. He didn't look at the fact that he got there just in time to save her from cheating. He looked at the fact that he HAD to save her from cheating. She was still carrying around baggage from her last marriage. She hadn't dealt with some things from that time period, and that is what was motivating her to do this. He recognized that this distrustful person was WHO she was. Sure, they could have gone to counseling and probably worked things out. They probably might have had a decent marriage going forward. In order for that to happen, the victory had to be worth the fight.

She chose to head for the hills at the first sign of trouble. That was her FIRST instinct. This is a mindset of hers. Though the situations will change, this will always be her first instinct until she unlearns it. That was not something that he wanted to deal with. The victory (having her by his side) was not worth the fight (dealing with her insecurities and "flight" mentality).

It can be amazing how emotional responses can be so over the top. Till seen in the light of a clear day.

doveryai, no proveryai! 😎

In my experience revengefucks never work,right after it you feel exactly the same,sometimes even worse

This story could have gone both ways,if he would have told his wife about his daughter none of the following would have happend

It's not who you lie with . . . it's who you lie to !!

He lied to his wife, pure and simple. He had a bunch of excuses, but he lied, not just by omission but by actually claiming nothing else happened the day she asked, when in truth, something really, really important and life-changing happened. HE obviously didn't value the marriage enough to tell Elaine the truth about his supposed 'daughter' (and there's no evidence Susan actually proved to him that he was her father). Then he has to gall to claim that Elaine didn't value the marriage or trust him. Yet, he put the needs of this woman who claimed to be his daughter AHEAD of his wife's, WHO HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD RIGHT AWAY!!! No matter what he claimed, there is simply no excuse for not telling her!

And while it's true that she MIGHT have screwed Tom, even she has no way of being sure if she would have gone through with it or not. More importantly, Sam even admits it wasn't the kiss, and maybe not even the potential fuck that destroyed the marriage, but the lack of trust and not talking to him. So in his convoluted logic, it's okay for him to lie, obfuscate, meet another woman at a hotel, kiss that woman, put that woman's wants and needs above his wife's, and keep it all secret from his wife . . . but it's not okay for her to be upset and consider revenge. At least she didn't lie to him about it. He's an incredible hypocrite!

Sam is the real cheat here, and the one who devalued the marriage. Thankfully this incident brought his true character to light before he and Elaine adopted any kids. Elaine may jump to conclusions too quickly, but Sam is really messed up, and no way he should be allowed to spread these convoluted values to kids.

Elaine should contact Susan and thank her, and then warn her, whether she's really Sam's daughter or not, to steer clear of the lying, arrogant, misogynistic prick.

Good story with clever misdirection from the true villain!

he did lie to his wife but should she then torture him mentally and cheat on him, I think not. So many times in these stories they get back together but his comment ( it's a statement of who you are ) sums up why this marriage is over. TK

No man takes a woman hes not sleeping with to a motel, and theres no way his so called daughter is dumb enough to go to one with a strange man. Completely ridiculous abd lying to his wife about s operating that important sites no respect for her.

It's amazing that the commenters here jump to the same conclusion that she did. He's with a woman in a hotel room and there are calls on the home phone and she instantly jumps to the conclusion that he's out screwing around. In her mind there can be no other explanation. So, what's the first thing she does? Does she confront him? No. Does she gather evidence that actually proves her accusations? No. She gets a friend, who would probably take her side no matter what and gets a little more circumstantial evidence then arranges to fuck some random asshole. (Sorry, Tom apparently thought she was available).

HEY PEOPLE! Stop jumping to the same conclusion without proper evidence!

The one major flaw I see in a huge number of these stories is when the men think their wives are cheating, they gather absolute evidence; pictures, recordings, multiple witnesses, and then act. The women see the guy glance at another woman in passing, figure he must be fucking them, and go out on a revenge fuck. This just makes women look stupid.

'Oh by the way honey, I saw you kissing some guy on the cheek, so I went out and fucked your girlfriend!

Jack, don't you remember that he's my brother? You met him at our wedding.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot. Sorry. It won't happen again. I'm sure we can get past this. It was only sex. It's not that I love her or anything.'

It just sounds so stupid. It's a good thing they didn't have kids. People like her shouldn't reproduce.

It's just a story, damn it, and it's the author's story, not yours. Read it for what it is. Enjoy it, or don't. Don't speculate about what his characters in real life should do.

Stop trying to occupy the moral high ground!! Everyone acted badly.

fucking assholes. everyone of them.

I guess he's never made a mistake or jumped to a conclusion himself. IF you truly love someone you forgive them their shortcomings. His attitude was disgusting. This may be a fictional story and these people don't exist, but boy did this ending suck! One of the worst endings - ever.

To finding out he had a daughter should have been "Hey honey, I think I have a kid from my previous marriage. I want to try and find out what this is about. I'll let you know as soon as I can."

now she gets to fuck Tom with a clear conscience because her husband was a conniving dick who didn't talk to her!

Both of them are to blame in this story.

Her blame is explained in the story.

Other comments, from readers here,

have mentioned his blame.

Except for one. One critical one.

Her former hurtful breakup.

That makes it difficult for her to

trust again.

He must have known that.

Yet, he didn't consider that a factor

in her response.

So both of their reactions were brutal.

And their weak relationship couldn't

handle that.

The ghost of former relationships killed

this one. Those who have been there,

probably understand this story better

than others.

Still a very good story, well written

and though out.

Top rating from me.

The husband didn't do anything wrong. His wife was paranoid like a lot of Americans and jumped to a bad conclusion. If she really loved him, she would have confronted him about the girl. She obviously decided that she had to hurt him, that isn't love! How could he remain married when he couldn't trust her to do the right thing for their marriage.

All the others stories have wimpy husbands. Everything this husband said in the hotel rings clear and true. And divorcing her is the right thing. Finally a husband with testicular fortitude. Yay.

Different kind of story. Didn't see that ending coming, but loves it.

I wish i could erase my memory so i could enjoy this story as much as i did the first time I read it. But even tho I can't I've still read it several times since then and still enjoy it.

Thanks, I really enjoy your writing!

You had an idea (lost daughter) and started well but then you driveled the psychobabble ending.

The wife character did not cheat and had every reason to believe she was cheated on. Instead of making something reasonable out of it you made "Sam" going bonkers and start spouting nonsense.

Intelligent people these are not and the story itself is also moronic due to ending psychobabble.

I don’t think the dark donuts read the same story as the rest of us. As others have said, this was a very good story.

That was an excellent twist on the revenge fuck cliche, with the husband getting there in time to stop it... then still divorcing the vengeful wife.

To all the people complaining that the husband is overreacting, I think there's another factor at play.

Remember that they just found out that Elaine can't have children. Sam wanted kids too and has just been reunited with a long-lost daughter, stirring up parental feelings and probably resentment that he missed out on her formative years. Elaine just revealed a really ugly and cruel side to her character, which is the perfect excuse to divorce the barren bitch.

Now he can ditch Elaine without looking like an asshole, then find himself a younger fertile replacement. Maybe Susan has some hot friends looking for a sugar-daddy? This is literotica after all! ;-)

good story

You know stories are great when you have this much arguing in the comments. I only read 1 comment where a lady said I would have stopped my car and confronted him. Just think years later they would have had a funny story and best of all still been married and maybe even a few grandkids to dote over.

Well conceived, sharply paced and with a good punchy conclusion.

The whingers may whine but reciprocity sucks doesn't it?

5*

I have to say I saw this coming almost immediately. Young girl, no confrontation with the husband, I immediately thought this is his unknown daughter or some other family member. Then per the title I knew how this was going to end. The only surprise for me was him bursting in to stop her rather than a final confrontation after the fact. Still a nice story with good dialogue and worth the read.

Sort of the cliche "its not what you think" for cheaters, except ... it's not. I enjoyed it.

Like Sam, i'd never have been able to stay in a marriage where my partner was ready to go nuclear with no discussion and all based on seeing activity that was "public appropriate" not explicit (for example finding me screwing someone).

For a short story, where things had to happen in not too many paragraphs, this one was fun and handled well.

Unbelievable; not so much the story but the vitriolic comments/feedback it's generated. You must be delighted at the hornets nest you've stirred up.

Some people need to chill and realize that this story is designed to provoke a reaction.

The misandrists out there will hurriedly blame the evil male for everything as usual. However, take a breath & read it again. I have no doubt that any logical review will see that the wife overreacted and her "punishment" of her husband was disproportionate. It's not what did or did not happen but the total and complete lack of trust, respect and love. The intention was to hurt, humiliate and destroy.

Tom, the other man is almost as much to blame by fully intending to sleep with a married woman no matter what tale she span.

Being prepared to carry out an action but being prevented from doing so, is the same as actually completing the action.

Imagine someone standing on the sidewalk/pavement outside a bank wearing a ski mask, brandishing a shotgun and carrying a holdall (with SWAG written on it). This person then shouts that they intend to rob the bank and is arrested by police as they enter the building. The haven't actually stolen any money, yet they fully intended to do so. They have actually committed a crime, even though they may not have made away with the loot.

Doubtless I will get the usual barrage of insults and claims of misogyny but I still enjoyed the story. Regards Steffi.

I didn't see that coming.

On the other hand, I can't imagine a scenario where some bombshell like that happens and one spouse delays talking to the other. Maybe I'm weird that way, but why all the ongoing secrecy.

Do I think it was right/reasonable to do what she did? ....Not sure. For me I lean toward "no" as anything that doesn't start with communication isn't going to work - but if she didn't trust him enough to talk, and he didn't trust her enough to talk, then there wasn't much foundation there - and that's a sad thing.

Another story worth reading again. Wonderful ending.

As soon as she pulled the "I'll get revenge by fucking someone else!" crap I started skimming. It's been done so many times before that as soon as it happened I knew she'd misunderstood what was going on and was going to shoot herself in the foot. It's a poor plot device and loses the character any sympathy they might have had earlier in the story. Anyone that spiteful, mistrustful, and vengeful doesn't deserve to stay married. All she had to do was confront him with the pictures and phone calls and it would have blown over. She's fatally stupid and it ruined the story.

Where was the trust when he first found out he had a daughter? He made the excuse of her being hurt at the knowledge because she couldn´t have any children. But that was just an excuse, I´m not saying I condone what she did, but I think he´s as much to blame for keeping secrets from her. Of course this is fiction and it´s nothing new this story has been going on forever only the names have been changed. But to try to make the man just a fraction from being a saint?

Judging from the comments, I think most people have problems comprehending what they read. He's not divorcing her because she misunderstood the situation and got angry; he even admitted he probably would have done the same if the situation was reversed.

He's getting rid of her because of her vicious, over-the-top response. She was being as cruel as possible, eager to hurt and inflict pain, without even bothering to ask him about it. Who wants to be married to someone with that in her? Her first response is to slash, burn, and destroy.

It was her sadistic initial response that drove him away. You can blame the husband if it makes you feel better, but who wants to be married to a monster?

It is a sad story and some us who are hurt by infidelity react a lot differently.

You hear about real life divorces where couples want to kill each other and take the other one to the cleaners. This getting even thing it is just that but there is no getting even. If your partner wants to screw around you either accept it or end the relationship. There is nothing you can do to change someone you either except who they are or you leave the relationship. That's basically what happened here, the wife was hurt and because of past problems she sought revenge instead of communicating. Remember the line from the Karate Kid: "You seek revenge start digging two graves, one for you and on for the other person"

one other thought: "Man's (or woman's) ability to rationalize anything has no limits"

People do stupid shit all the time in the heat of anger. She had plenty of circumstantial evidence and he was keeping secrets. They need counseling not a divorce. If I were her, I would fight for it and force the issue. If he refuses then HE isnt worth it. Yeah she did a dumb thing. That's what happens when couples DONT COMMUNICATE

He could see the writing on the wall. She was not going to talk about or even confirm what she THOUGHT she saw. wrong answer. I like the story. well written. 5 stars

gamblnluck

So it's ok for him to get on a pedestal and preach about her jumping to conclusions and acting in a wrong way. And him jumping to conclusions to what her reactions might be to a sudden appearance of a daughter and therefore lying makes things o.k.?? I call that misogynistic bullshit. No wonder his first marriage didn't work out, he's just an asshole, she's better of without him.

Her inner self came out. Someone that takes that level of attempt to hurt someone can't be trusted. What happens next time? A knife in the back?

Had she gone off and had divorce papers served that would be bad but you can overcome that. This was torture.

Weak. He is doing exactly what he accused her of. And destroying their marriage. Maybe she would have had her fling and forgiven him. He dumps her without any conversation.

There's so many Feminazi here, bunch of morons

Only a couple stories in and you're extremely talented at capturing the human spirit, both good and bad. I wouldn't have done what he did in the end, but I can see many that would. Thanks for sucking me into your universe. 5*

Sometimes things go too far to take back. Elaine went to far and broke up her second marriage.

that the marriage couldn't have been fixed. He bore some blame for sneaking around with his daughter and should certainly see how it could be very reasonably misconstrued. She should have talked to him. He should have realized how much more sensitive she was to the cheating issue because of having previously having been cheated on. Her plan to get back at him was clearly wrong. But, in context, his decision was precipitous. In real life, the wife would have learned an important lesson and probably have been as close to a model wife as possible.

Still, it's an interesting well written story. 5

I can't believe how many commenters are missing the irony here. She jumps to all these conclusions only to find out how wrong she truly is. In the end he does to her what she already did to him. But the best part is...this is all made up and no one got hurt or cheated on! It's not real people so can the vitriol and move onto the next story. Great job C, 5*

Good take on revenge sex.

Needs a sequel.

Make it a RAAC

She needs a punishment but forgiveness for her idiocy