All Comments on 'Agency'

Good story.

This was a top-notch effort dealing with an explosive storyline. Well done.

Gonna ponder this one for quite a while. Though she clearly betrayed her husband’s trust, I still can’t help pitying her. I know a woman who had multiple secret abortions before she gathered the wherewithal to leave her abusive husband. That’s clearly not the circumstance here, but still the desperation is there, which lead to an untenable decision, and disastrous outcome. So sad. So compellingly well written. What a punch to the gut. I’ll soon not forget ‘Agency’. Many thanks.

Sorry, but you really should not write from a woman's POV. It sounds like a man trying to write like a woman. Some writers can pull it off. You didn't.

Good story! As an adopted child before Roe v. Wade, I appreciate the protection of babies in the womb as much as possible. Birth control is so readily available and often coverage is required via insurance, that abortion as a choice should be rare indeed. She chose to risk pregnancy, then end it without her husband's input and lied about her "illnesses". Not good for a relationship that should be based on trust.

Harsh but good story.

I didn't care for the movie references, but other than that, this was very well done. I enjoyed it 5 stars worth.

The concept and overall story structure here were good, but the characterization was a little thin.

Well written story. That's a pair of selfish, self-centered parents.

Sad tale. Well written but left me cold. 4 stars

I found the story interting for the reason that i never read a story with the angle of a non cheating wife aborting her husbands kid. A husband she loves no less.

Probably the best LW story I've read in a while...thanks.

Just wait until she's a teenager! Interesting story about the usual problem, communication, no discussions or sharing of problems probably the most common reason for behaviour leading to a divorce. Not particularly entertaining but original, thank you.

I have read many loving wife stories and I have majority of the time sided with the men side of being betrayed but in this story, I side with the wife more because the husband went on assumption instead of investigating thoroughly.

And very well done. Thanks.

Well isn't this a lovely misogynistic pile of vomit. Quite frankly the wife in this story is better off without that piece of garbage.

As for the writing, your attempt at developing a character from from female perspective might be more successful if you didn't write from bias. Your use of agency is laughable and is obviously a shot at feminism. That is not surprising in the least because there are many self identified anti-feminists here. I even consider one a mate even if he infuriates me to no end (yeah that's you Kali).

Anyway, I realize nothing I write will change anything. You will continue to resent women whether you admit to it or not. You can however go f yourself. - starsong77

Loving wives???????

Powerful story! Some may think it's hard to preach morality, right vs. wrong on a site like this, but I disagree. Good authors can teach some solid life lessons here and I've grown in my marriage by reading some of those stories. I'm pro-choice but of a different interpretation than the political crowd. If a women (and men) choose to have sex, that's where the decision point is. Life has consequences, especially where human life is involved. Women that are raped, who am I to burden them with the psychological implications if they are forced to keep it? I would hope they preserve the life inside them, but I leave that decision between them and God. 5*

That was a solid 5***** effort! If there is ever any advice I give young people, it is to think ahead and know your own heart. You have only what you can build and building with someone else is better than building alone. Good story.

This is not the usual LW story, and it is very well done. Pro choice or not, I don’t believe a wife should make a unilateral decision to abort a baby. The husband, if he is the father, should have some input. Any husband would be suspicious if he found that his wife had a secret abortion. I sympathize completely with the husband in this story. It was her choice to abort, his choice not to be married to her any longer. Great, tough story.

This dealt with marital issues but it gave me no pleasure in the reading it was believable but somewhat depressing .

In a forum dominated by wannabe cuckolds, or re-hashed scenarios (Really, how many times is February going to suck), this was a completely new approach. Kudos!

Pretty common, lack of communication, stress of work, and parentage. Pop goes the weasel or should I say the marriage.

Well written and should lead to thoughts about morals and ethics, instead, sadly, I can't get past just how much of an arsehole the husband is. Frankly I think she's well rid of the self important, arrogant twat. He appears to possess no redeeming features whatsoever and comes across as some spoilt control freak. Yes, maybe she should have consulted him regarding abortion but ultimately its her body, her choice, but he thinks it's all about him and his bruised macho pride, to the extent he even decides to destroy another marriage which has absolutely nothing to do with him. In the end the author left it with the wife living in regret and the husband embarking on a new life but I foresee just a bitter and untrusting man living a lonely existence blaming all his woes on other people.

sad story ,

How is it he is the bad guy. His wife had the abortion of his kid. She says I didn't want any more kids, so talk about it and agree on getting her tubes tied. With her decision to abort the baby she also aborted love and respect of her husband and the marriage. The laws give her the right to do what she did but not including her husband was just plain wrong, and not preventing a pregnancy in the first place was very irresponsible.

She deserved the heartache. She was a lying, selfish bitch. Good story, though. Thanks very much.

I like it and actually thought she had cheated. On a personal note I have many fights with my daughter over these exact feelings about how the man, boyfriend or husband, has zero say. Even if the guy signs on to pay all medical costs and adopt child she still feels that the man has no say at all. Not even the talk as what happened here. I also can state for fact that when this happened to my brother in law he never really recovered from the pain of losing what would have been his child. And yes, the woman was dumped and we never saw her again.

Interesting story!

5

Agency or Agenda?

Marriage (2)- ProChoice(1)= 1 whichever way you look at it.

I loved the concept. But it is in the realm of science fiction fantasy.

Why?

Because women, rarely if ever, have a pang of regret or remorse. The only place they do is in LW stories.

I mean look at her. She got the kid and half their assets if not more. When you have a system where one party has no consequences from their bad decisions, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.

Very good illustration that it isn't necessarily infidelity that kills the marriage... but still this story turned on the same points you would find in any LW story.

-The death of trust.

-Disrespect. (respect must go both ways).

-Deception.

-Selfishness.

I am not going to get into the pro-choice debate, and I don't believe i really have to.

Though it's the catalyst for the action, it's not really the issue. The issue is that she was in a partnership. She had made commitments to live and honor another, in return for the same consideration.

I would have kept up the fight for primary custody if I were him.

She's too self-centered to be a mother.

To starsong 77 re the "lovely misogynistic pile of vomit" that is this story, thanks for the read!

Wow! Different, and a study in selfishness. Good one

It has always struck me as illogical that a man has to pay child support if a woman has a baby out of wedlock, because it's his baby too; but he has absolutely no say in whether she aborts it or not, because it's not his baby (yet). Seems to me that it's their baby before birth and after birth.

R.

Good thank you

5***** A stunning story that is an original topic for LW. So many different aspects to this story. A mom who doesn't like kids. An arrogant, selfish, narcissitic wife who thinks she is single. A woman who has the morals and feelings of at least a sociopath, if not a psychopath. The way she justified the abortion would have made a concentration camp guard very proud. I chuckled and shook my head when psycho wife-mom said she enjoyed parenthood while in the same thought thanks her mom for doing most of the child care.

You get my rare 'WRITE ON!' compliment for your multi-layered story. This story deserves a possible Chapter 2.

Well written, what a bitch!

Todd on him his wife was a pretentious bitch.

A really great story. Thanks for the effort.

Powerful.

The wife WAS a selfish bitch. As the story noted, she WILLINGLY allowed her husband to impregnate her again. But after the reality of the pregnancy was upon her, her selfish inner bitch decided that HE had no say in the new life they BOTH had created, and went off by herself to destroy this newly developing human being.

Husband did the right thing getting rid of her.

5*****

I really wanted to give this one a 5. I didn't because I love tragedy and this one kind of flamed out on that at the end. She was awful and never really comprehended how awful right through to the end of the story. I wanted to see her suffer through the realization that her "agency" was complete bullshit and she did what she wanted because she was selfish and shallow beyond measure. Yes, depression could have made her have feelings of not wanting to be a mother to a second child. But her own selfish attitude, that she never gave up throughout the story, made her a horrible person. She still couldn't admit she was wrong when it could possibly save her marriage. And trotting out the depression made me do it excuse just made her look as pathetic as she is.

Wow, tour de force argument against betrayal of the worst kind by a wife. The two worst things wife can do is have another man's baby and foist it on the husband, or abort husband's baby without full disclosure and discussion. Nice job, you are a deep thinker and that comes thru. Btw I am not seeing any comments, despite the LW title page shows you have several. Dont know what is going on with that.

"It's not an issue that needed your opinion." - It might have been her decision, but it surely needed his opinion, even if his opinion was disagreed with.

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"'I don't want to be a parent again' should be enough of an answer for you," - That WOULD have been an acceptable answer if she had told him she was pregnant, and wanted an abortion, if she had given him the opportunity to ask the question.

Powerful. Very strong piece, well-written!

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This represents another aspect of "toxic feminism". In the rest of the world, feminism is a noble movement, fighting for equal rights, equal pay, equality of justice, etc. In America, radical lesbians took over the so-called "women's movement" (Rhymes with 'bowel movement') and turned the commendable movement of feminism into a man-hating machine, fueled by taxpayer and extorted corporate money!

Kudos for breaking some new ground.

Well written but depressing.

The story is too well written not to be true. Also, an indictment of abortion under any circumstances.

The pain of each partner will never go away.

My issues are that it didn't feel like a loving wives story. There really wasn't any "extra marital fun, sharing or swinging" going on in the story. What there was was a woman suffering from post-partum depression. For you men out there, if you've never lived with a woman that is suffering from that condition, I'm here to tell you you have NO idea how bad things can get. They also seem to be suffering from poor communication skills. Her husband seems to think she's having an affair. And exposes his thoughts in front of their parents. What a way to sink their marriage with one shot! In fact, that's a brilliant idea for a story line. Words that someone said that immediately terminated their marriage - even if it took a year to finalize the divorce. Sounds like something Randi would put up as a challenge event. But this story didn't belong in the LW category in my mind. And they belonged in counseling to at least see if they could reconcile. Divorce is the lazy man's answer in this case. And since I'm sure she lost her job before their divorce was final I hope she adjusted the terms of the divorce and got plenty of alimony, child support, the house, half their assets and half his retirement to help her in wrangling their 2 year old. He deserved to get screwed. UGH!

Quite brave to delve into the murky waters of the right to life and the right to choose, not sure if this effort offered any real insight into either argument, though I’m pretty sure there’ll be lots of dissension for the foreseeable future.

This suck. The poor guy got blindsided buy the bitch. Wife tend to think that have all the power, but none on the responsibility; if you don't want to get pregnant, keep you legs closed, and don't fool around. Or get your tubes tied. It works both ways ways. Think about this: When her daughter gets old enough ( and she will ask) and asks why daddy and mommy got divorced, what does she do?? Lie??? ''Oh, I told a lie ,and daddy did not forgive me." "What she lie about???" I didn't tell daddy I had an abortion. Great parenting skills. All daddy has to say when asked this questions is " Ask your mother." The Bear approves; Just that the bitch didn't get burned enough. NO WINNERS!!!

The BEAR.

P.S. When the feminists get a hold of this, I may have to go into WitSec .

The BEAR

Well that was new and different for this site although it really didn't belong here since there was no actual extramarital sex. That being said, it was well written and thought provoking. Thanks for writing.

Great story 5 stars

She was wrong but he never gave her a chance for redemption from her fear of another toddler and the pressures of life. Sad he moves on and now is n a harder place as a single mom.

Unusual look at loving wives, thanks. 4*.

Reconciliation would have been possible if the wife were a little less strident in her position regarding her own agency. Real communication was required right from the start. Unfortunately, when two individuals hold stubbornly opposing views there is no forward motion. Counseling , talk therapy, may have brought significant enlightenment to both husband & wife if they were willing.

That was very cool. Great new take on how trust can be lost.

⚖. Good, but double standard.

Page 1 He, a self avowed liberal, says she ended a life? After he called it a child then an embryo? WTF? He needs to review his talking points vis a vis the Democrat platform. 🤣

He's walking out? WTF? Candy ass, good time liberal turns and runs when his wife wants to make decisions about her own body? I thought it was a tissue mass? 😁

Selfish phase..Kirstie Alley...too funny. Well done.

Great story. He was a liberal...and then it jumped up and bit him in the ass. 🤔

*****Great read very interesting storyline. Could say been there done that, and did the same thing!! Thanks for sharing.

It happens, and it is depressing. I don't come her to be depressed.

Very original.

Cheating would have been bad enough. But aborting your husband's child without telling him you were pregnant has to be the worst thing a woman can do. There aren't many marriages that could survive that. I'm damned sure mine wouldn't have.

The only thing missing was telling us how he found out. Other than that, it was a good story well told.

Well done.

Really interesting story of a very difficult subject matter. Though I enjoyed your writing style I did find she came across as very cold. She never really mentioned loving her husband or her child.

Sounds to me like the bitch in question has all the "agency" she can handle now. Bless her boneheaded little heart. And her Ex can have all the happiness he can handle coming along with his "agency". When you kill a man's kid, you become his enemy. Bitch learned that the hard way too. Cautionary tale for all the stupid bitch feminists out there.

5*s

Really enjoyed the story.

The ultimate result of the "me" generation....

I feel for her parents, the mother most of all.

Wondering how they failed bringing up their daughter 🥺.

A five star story, that left me NOT

AMerryman

Very interesting and I am sure very realistic. Thanks for posting. Not looking to start a legal battle, but do potential fathers have any legal rights to their unborn?

Well done.

Yet another interesting story

from an interesting writer.

We're used to divorces because of cheating.

But a woman can be a bad wife in more ways.

Even a very bad wife.

And who needs a very bad wife?

Top ratings from me.

Wow, so much for the vow of "in sickness and in health." I doubt many here will complain about the husband violating one of his marriage vows, since the only vow the marriage police seem to care about is "forsaking all others," and even then only if the wife is the one that violates it. I think the wife is better off with the divorce. If he was going to leave her because of something she did while she was diagnosed with depression, thank God she didn't have cancer. Hubby was a real piece of work. Hopefully he's not an influence in their daughter's life.

I always give 5 stars when the bad guy gets burned. wifey is a killer.

Sad and I also wouldn’t have believed she didn’t have an affair in doing what she did . Why would she hiding that she got pregnant unless it was from another man

What a sad, miserable state of affairs that mess was. I gave you full marks for the story. Rick is simply a prick. He is supposedly pro-choice (no political judgements here) and egalitarian yet dumps his wife because she made a decision without him. She should go mourn for three days, shrug it off and enjoy the hell out of life, not looking back.

I think the story was fine until the last part. What I mean by fine, it had both sides represented in a contentious issue. Where I had a problem with it was the last part where she is remorseful and maudlin.

Way too many writers in LW go down the female remorse after the transgression.

In some ways, Starsong77 is correct that a line is crossed in these stories that may make them misogynistic. While each story needs to be viewed individually, the prevailing view of BTB and many RAAC stories is that the woman was hit by the slut ray and bam, turned in to instant slut. Or was a stealth slut or whatever. We have to be honest here. Many of us come to LW with a preconceived notion. Myself included at times.

Most people who make a momentous decision like her make it knowingly and consciously. The reasoning may not be to the reader’s liking, but it is what it is.

Even if the MC had Post Partem Depression (like my wife on our 1st child), it goes away after a year or so. At two years after, the MC of the story was unwilling to have another child to deal with, considering the demand on her by her job. Not because of a chemical imbalance that PPD is.

Not making excuses for her. She is representative of many women in our society that take advantage of the system and our laws. I think she would have been more credible if she stuck to her guns until the end, instead of the “I made a mistake” horseshit that women rarely admit to. That part is wishful thinking by men who had their heart and wallet torn asunder by some woman. Not reality.

Kal

Starsong, you are a fucking idiot if you saw misogyny here. This isn't about a woman's right to abortion, it was about her not sharing something that serious with her partner. She unilaterally made the decision and then HID it from him. That shows the ultimate lack of respect and trust. That is enough reason to end any marriage, because you can never trust a person like that again. How easy would it have been for her to tell him? Then if he said no or acted mysogynistic, she would have been in the right.

There will be true equality in reproduction when a man can leave a refundable deposit with Planned Parenthood or the equivalent and by doing so not have to pay child support.

It may be a woman's choice whether or not to have the child, but it shouldn't be her choice to force someone else to pay for it.

The most effective birth control pill ever devised is a Bayer aspirin. Keep one between your knees and it's 100% effective.

Communication or the lack there of - what a destructive force! Thank you for your story. 5*

somewhere east of Omaha

Holy Shit! Do You Realize What You've Done? You Have Questioned The Very Existence Of god!!

No, no, not the real actual God. Were talking about the god of the left, ME. The most important person in the Universe, ME. If ME wants an abortion than abortion should be easy, unrestricted, and your neighbors should pay for it. Because that would please the ME who got knocked up and the ME who knocked her up, neither of which gives a fuck about the he or her who dies at the abortionist's hands. The people so willingly and easily killing embryos will put you in prison for harming an eagle's egg, or a turtle's. ME respects and values eagles and turtles. Unborn children, not so much.

So, Griscom, you have totally screwed the pooch. You will never, NEVER get a positive comment or a high score from the ME's again. They love eagles and turtles and agency, but mostly they love ME. And they hate you for revealing, displaying, even ridiculing their selfish soulless monstrous characters. They condemn the killing of the Jews. You wanna guess how many unborn children ME kills each year, just in the United States? Google it.

God, the poor wife in this story. She wondered where her "nice" husband went. Sooner or later she will figure it out, she aborted him too. If she doesn't need to discuss with her husband her choice to kill their child, what does she need to discuss? If she doesn't need to be truthful about exercising her right to be ME, then why would she object to his exercising his right to be Daddy, some more, with a woman who doesn't treat conception and motherhood as a hobby that stopped being fun, like knitting. Just throw away any project that was in progress; flush it down the toilet.

This isn't about the legality of abortion, its about the morality and ethics and the implications of women choosing abortion without involving their husband. Her CHOICE was perfectly legal. So was his. Her choice ME will respect, and laud. His choice they will condemn. And you they will hate for revealing the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of their existence.

Thanks for the effort. No good deed goes unpunished.

It is certainly tempting to employ a rhyme which exemplifies one’s opinion. And KittyC DOES seem to understand the most critical issue .... Sweetie made a unilateral decision. She obviated a decision they BOTH made when she opened their marriage to the possibility of a second child ... and Hubby accepted that option! That sounds like a contract to me ... sealed with cum! Circumstances would be different had the sperm-donor been Rick (who is a co-worker, NOT unnamed Sweetie’s unnamed Hubby) or some other swinging dick. The outcome would likely be the same, but Sweetie would not be breaking the same contract!

It is not like Sweetie surprised Hubby with a bowl of grits for breakfast. And accept his refusal to eat them if they had not discussed it before she served them. The disposition of a future member of one's family is a critical factor in a relationship dynamic. Failure to disclose such a situation is a serious violation of the marital contract!

We-The-Readers were not privy to any prior family-planning discussions they may have had ... nor did we need to be! Sweetie opened the door and Hubby walked in! WTR also have NO clue as to what woulda happened if she did the H, WN2Talk thing and expressed her change of heart. On the table WTR can imagine a) he agreed with Sweetie, b) he wanted the child but granted her the final decision or c) demanded the pregnancy continue or divorce ... and variations of those.

Main Quibble: Hubby should have maintained his petition for primary or sole custody of their daughter. Making it appear to be a successful tactic to dump the kid on Sweetie is inconsistent with what WTR have seen of him!

It’s late at night and I’m tired and this story makes me sad. Sad that she cut him out of her thoughts and feelings and life and sad that he couldn’t be calm enough to discuss her depression and her abortion decision without going postal. So must be the mark of good writing and story telling to get me emotionally involved.

Also, although I’m pro-choice I hate her reasoning for having an abortion and her absence of responsibility for the fetus and getting pregnant.

That's a nice story and a novel take on the matter.

Wheres the comments?

Dark. very well written, but wow...

Very intriguing story about freedom in a relationship. Could have gone into more details, but the author gave the reader enough to chew on.

THANKS

Sad. That's what you get sometimes when women think of human fetus as just an embryo.

4/5 stars

I'm old, and old fashioned. It's never ok for a wife to have an abortion of her husbands

Child, fetus, or embryo, without discussing it with him. I know this statement will unleash a fire storm, but so it should. Good sad story, thanks for it.

Great story. Well written, well paced and deft handling of abortion politics. 5 stars

sounds like a selfish bitch. Maybe she should give up being a mother and give up custody.

In the state where I live the mortality rate of women in childbirth is 25/100k. The rate of men dying from childbirth is 0/100k. The final decision whether to carry a pregnancy to full term lies with the one most at risk. Abortion as birth control offends me but again, I don't have in risk at play. The inept attempt of seeing this from the woman's perspective didn't help the story but it did fire up the "men's rights" crowd. The comments are better than the story.

So happy that the story comments have magically reappeared after being gone, at least on my pages, for several days. I especially wanted to see everyone’s take on this great story. Like my dear friend Lue says, “ the comments are the real entertainment in LW”.

I admire the surgical precision with which Griscom draws the moral lines, while somehow also painting portraits of both the MC and the LW with deep emotion and distinctive characterization.

The ending feels just right... the LW suffers painful yet just consequences and regrets for her selfish actions.

"I've been a liberal since before I registered to vote. I've been pro-choice since I was old enough to understand the issues. I don't believe that the law should require that a wife get her husband's permission before she gets an abortion."

Yet another thoroughly feminized husband character. How charming that he supports a woman having a private "right" of murder pursuant to which she is the judge, jury, and executioner. Much of the dialog is just feminist murder porn. Apparently, the only thing the author's little "Elsa Koch" did wrong was not tell her husband before she executed the child. Lovely.

Wonderfully told story. Uncompromising until the end. Very good work! Thank you for sharing!

it is not her body her life alone anymore, 1 she got married, 2 she has a child, 3 she lied about affair, 4 she hid a life treating operation-abortions kill unborn and the thing carrying them(they aint moms), 5 right to life does not mean-have unsafe sex and fuck the results-see aids, 6 post depression-fucking white woman bullshit in this case, 7 she takes no reasonability- no I'm sorry - really do you expect any male writer to include that as it does not exist in the modern world(female remorse for causing men pain), 8 being female does not mean shit with regard to motherhood or loving wife - it takes effort - none was shown in this story from her - he gave her every chance he could to help purge his anger, 9 the truth is men lie but rarely believe their own bs - women believe it and surprised when someone pushes back as in this case

She had every right to unilaterally decide to terminate her pregnancy.

And he had every right to unilaterally decide to terminate their marriage over that abortion.

It really is that simple.

Thanks for the share, author.

Nice and controversial, so pick a side and go to bat. Personally it is her choice true, although my stand is, communication is always best in any relationship.

He is a first class arseholeShe should pay him back,by making it awkward to see his daughter when he wanted,especially seeing how he is shacked up with Miss Julie.

But she is truly selfish. True, she "may" be still suffering from PPD. But she decided to get pregnant, and then when reality slapped her in the face, she decided NOT to be pregnant. Yes, a woman's body is her own. But when you're married or in a committed relationship, not discussing things like this means you're playing with fire. And she got burned.

Let's say she told Hubby she was PG and was having second thoughts about it. Let's say she said "I just can't go through this for 9 months again". Even if he wanted the kid, she could still say I don't...and take the chance that he would react negatively. Hiding this from Hubby all but ensured that he was going to be pissed about her decision. And suspect something more sinister, which is what happened.

He didn't have to blow up Rick's marriage though, that was petty.

Nice work. Too many confuse "legal right" with "the right thing to do." Not the abortion -- which is a different issue -- but about honest discussion. I'm 100% behind the husband on this, not because of the abortion but because of her unilateral decision.

My wife could buy a car without discussing it with me (she's not stupid with money, I trust her to not bankrupt us). She could quit her job if it became miserable. But a pregnancy is a joint project, including the decision to terminate it.

Also, PPD is real, but having known two women diagnosed with it, they both knew something was wrong. And they got help. I know two people who suffer from clinical depression (which means lasting 6 months or more). One got help, but both knew something was wrong.

Marriage is supposed to be a partnership. When it's no longer a partnership, it's no longer a marriage. Terminate at.

Heart-breaking, but well-written. Thank you.

Good work keep it up